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Ontario requires that you take a club level "ATT" course- most other provinces don't I think. After the club secretary verifies you have junped all the hoops it usually is just a matter of the club submitting your name on a form.The ATT is returned from Orillia electronically most cases - This is usually quite quick-about 1 to 5 days.
1 to 5 days? Oh dear!! Somebody must be on vacation... so far it's been 1 to 5 weeksQuote:
Originally Posted by 3MTA3
Yeah. Mine was a month in the making. :(.
Hey I am just talking about the club ATTs that I see being sent in, not including the course etc, just from when they are sent in to when they come back.
Sorry.. but that is incorrect. There is nothing within the FA or regs that actually says you have to take such a course at all. That has been admitted to as well in court by the CFO when pressed the same as membership is not required by law. In addition there is no such thing as a "club ATT"... as per parliament's own words as put into law an ATT is something between the officials and the license owner. The club does not issue any ATT ever.. since they have zero authority to do any such thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3MTA3
Now that said.. most clubs insist on anyone new doing their course and some (with more common sense though either way that is their right.. and if you don't like it just go elsewhere) will give exemptions for those that already posses the proper knowledge and skills to be safe.
(again proven in court much to wyatt's dismay)
The idea that you MUST get an ATT through a club is a myth at best and a flat out lie in reality.. sadly perpetuated by many including those that do not actually know the law. Wyatt and his ilk of course take full advantage and abuse this every chance they possibly can get.
And of course for any real newb.. TAKE THE COURSE!!! The official test to get your RPAL etc is IMHO a joke and newbs most often need that additional instruction though not all (depends on other experience)
I for example have never taken that course.. but I came to this with experience since I was a young kid and when in court even had signed certifications from instructors (again to wyatts dismay)
Sure OK-This is not done by most clubs , just so they can push more paper and volunteer more hours or suffer abuse by members- It is done by request of the Ontario CFO-
Go try to get an ATT in Ontario with out belonging to a club or taking the so called "ATT" Course. The CFO has made this a requirement of clubs in ON. Is it Possible to get without a club membership and course?- Yes ;-Easy?-
Definitely not.
I guess this one way they try to ensure this- rightly or wrongly.Quote:
THREAT TO SAFETY MENACE À LA SÉCURITÉ
1.1 A chief firearms officer may issue to an individual
an authorization to transport if the chief firearms officer
determines that the transportation of a restricted
firearm or prohibited firearm, as the case may be, between
two or more specified places will not pose a threat
to the safety of the individual or any other individual
Also- there is regulation that requires safety training for range use;
This can be simple or more involved but it required whether a ATT is needed or not.Quote:
7. (1) The operator of a shooting range shall ensure
that every person who indicates an intention to use the
shooting range for the first time is informed of the safety
rules used at that shooting range.
(2) No person may use a shooting range for the first
time without having received the information referred to
in subsection (1).
Also;
Quote:
5. The operator of an approved shooting range shall
ensure that the discharge of firearms on the shooting
range does not endanger the safety of persons at the
shooting range or in the portion of the surrounding area
described in paragraph 3(2)(a), by taking appropriate
measures, including ensuring that
(a) the design and operation of the shooting range
(i) is such that projectiles discharged from firearms
will not leave the shooting range if they are discharged
there in accordance with the safety rules,
and
(ii) promotes the safety of all persons on the shooting
range, including by accommodating any adaptation
that may be appropriate given the nature of the
shooting activities that may take place and the type
and calibre of firearms that may be used there;
Proof? If someone at the CFO's office said that demand it in writing!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Hatter
Why? Simple.. they legally cannot do that since that would be in direct violation of the law and no. the CFO's cannot use "discretion" to add that sort of condition.
No offense.. but start bitching more.. only to your MP. Parliament intended the system to be quick by their own words and the letter of the law. Therefore delays on that which should have never existed in the first place are unacceptable regardless of how many card holders there are.Quote:
Originally Posted by desiel
And new card holders are a good thing esp if they listen, learn and get into the fight. :)
The CFOs cannot by law demand any membership and that they have been forced to admit in court more than once. Any refusal on that basis MUST by law be done in writing.. they cannot refuse in any other manner as per the FAQuote:
Originally Posted by Wendell