.50 Beowulf Magazine Classification Update

[GotSauer]

So, I’m guessing, the .40cal pistol magazines in a 9mm pistol will be next?

[RangeBob]

So, I’m guessing, the .40cal pistol magazines in a 9mm pistol will be next?

This is what "Special Bulletin for Businesses No. 72" says today:

5. Magazines for semiautomatic handguns which contain more than ten (10) rounds of a different calibre

Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun, are limited to 10 cartridges. The capacity is measured by the kind of cartridge the magazine was designed to contain. In some cases the magazine will be capable of containing more than 10 rounds of a different caliber; however that is not relevant in the determination of the maximum permitted capacity.

Example:
Heckler and Koch P7 pistol chambered for 9mm Luger caliber:
The magazine designed for the 40 S&W calibre variant of the pistol will hold 13 cartridges of 9mm Luger calibre and function in the 9mm Luger calibre P7 pistol. This is permissible as the maximum permitted capacity of the 40 S&W calibre magazine must be measured by the number of 40 S&W calibre cartridges it is capable of holding, which is 10 such cartridges in the case of the HK P7 pistol magazine.

-- http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/b...323-72-eng.htm

In the case of the LAR, that used to be handled under
"4. Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm"
circa 2015/05/04
To see the old version:
https://web.archive.org/web/20140807...323-72-eng.htm

[The Joe-Man]

This is what "Special Bulletin for Businesses No. 72" says today:

5. Magazines for semiautomatic handguns which contain more than ten (10) rounds of a different calibre

Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun, are limited to 10 cartridges. The capacity is measured by the kind of cartridge the magazine was designed to contain. In some cases the magazine will be capable of containing more than 10 rounds of a different caliber; however that is not relevant in the determination of the maximum permitted capacity.

Example:
Heckler and Koch P7 pistol chambered for 9mm Luger caliber:
The magazine designed for the 40 S&W calibre variant of the pistol will hold 13 cartridges of 9mm Luger calibre and function in the 9mm Luger calibre P7 pistol. This is permissible as the maximum permitted capacity of the 40 S&W calibre magazine must be measured by the number of 40 S&W calibre cartridges it is capable of holding, which is 10 such cartridges in the case of the HK P7 pistol magazine.

-- http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/b...323-72-eng.htm

By the definition that the RCMP are using to prohibit the 50 Beowulf mags as "dual calibre", 40 S&W mags are also "dual calibre". They are "adapted from the original" 9mm "design and the ability of the magazine to perform as originally designed has not been compromised by the adaptation".

[Marshall]

By the definition that the RCMP are using to prohibit the 50 Beowulf mags as "dual calibre", 40 S&W mags are also "dual calibre". They are "adapted from the original" 9mm "design and the ability of the magazine to perform as originally designed has not been compromised by the adaptation".

For what it's worth the .40 S&W is derived from the 10mm, so it's not technically an adaptation of the 9mm... but that's just my interpretation.... who knows.

[The Joe-Man]

The 50 Beowulf Mags take extra 5.56 rounds in EXACTLY the same way that .40 S&W mags take extra 9mm. Do I have to re-pin my .40 S&W mags to 10 rounds of 9mm now? No? Then shove your opinion up your ass "Manager of Specialized Firearms Support Services".

[Jeff Badger]

Hi Folks,

Regardless what the RCMP say, I can't find a single mention of "Dual Purpose" any where in the firearms act.

If there is please show it. And as such this means it is the RCMP's made up term, and since it is untested in a court of law, holds no weight with regards to Canadian Law.

Please feel free to correct me, but show facts, and legislation to back it up please.

Cheers

[Marshall]

Hi Folks,

Regardless what the RCMP say, I can't find a single mention of "Dual Purpose" any where in the firearms act.

If there is please show it. And as such this means it is the RCMP's made up term, and since it is untested in a court of law, holds no weight with regards to Canadian Law.

Please feel free to correct me, but show facts, and legislation to back it up please.

Cheers

There is no mention of "dual calibre" so you're right... it is a made up term and may or may not hold up in court depending on the judge. However, it is this made up rule that is prohibiting us from getting an IIC for them from foreign affairs.
It is this same set of rules that they are applying to the 25rd 10/22 rifle magazines now... no official laws passed, just an arbitrary decision that made a bunch of people into criminals without them even doing anything.

[blacksmithden]

Hi Folks,

Regardless what the RCMP say, I can't find a single mention of "Dual Purpose" any where in the firearms act.

If there is please show it. And as such this means it is the RCMP's made up term, and since it is untested in a court of law, holds no weight with regards to Canadian Law.

Please feel free to correct me, but show facts, and legislation to back it up please.

Cheers

Special Bulletin for business #72, section 4 - this bulletin is active on the RCMP website.

4. Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm

The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in.

Example:
The Marlin model 45 (Camp Carbine) rifle chambered for 45 Auto caliber uses magazines designed and manufactured for the Colt 1911 handgun, therefore the seven round and eight round capacities are permitted.

Here's a link to the entire thing if anyone wants to read more government dribble. http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/b...323-72-eng.htm

I believe this bulletin is the basis for the CSSA lawsuit over the Ruger 10/22 & Charger pistol "more than 10 round" magazine prohibition.

[tdod101]

So you had to open your big mouth to the RCMP demanding clarification and ended up screwing everyone in the process. Good job eh!

[Doug_M]

So you had to open your big mouth to the RCMP demanding clarification and ended up screwing everyone in the process. Good job eh!

Did you not read (or perhaps comprehend) the first paragraph of the op? No more importing of AA mags until RCMP clarify. So you think the importer at that point should have given up on importing those mags?


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