Stag-10 CDN Rifle (received NR Status)

[Grizz Axxemann]

I see IRUNGUNS has the 6.5 Creedmore in LH for just under 1600USD

I don't think IRG is going to get those in on an NR FRT. AEI's guns have proprietary receivers. They're *just* different enough.

[JustBen]

I don't think IRG is going to get those in on an NR FRT. AEI's guns have proprietary receivers. They're *just* different enough.

They are claiming that they have a NR FRT for it over on CGN. I’m not sure what the difference is...

[Grizz Axxemann]

They are claiming that they have a NR FRT for it over on CGN. I’m not sure what the difference is...

Keyword: Claim.

I'll wait for someone with FRT access to verify it.

But then again, I've never seen a regular Stag-10 in the wild, so I can't tell the difference. I'd still rather give my money to Walter & co. The guys at IRG just seem to be pulling off reactionary bullshit to scoop business from people who have done the actual leg work because they can get stuff from their US "branch" for cheaper, and at a higher profit margin due to the lower overhead costs of not having a brick & mortar shop. Even Questar doesn't stoop to that, and they've been in the cross-border gun running business for a lot longer than IRG, Aztech, or anyone else I can think of. About the only perk I can think of for me personally when dealing with IRG is that I can drive to the Rexall Drugs in Sherwood Park that they have their PO Box set up at and collect it before they ship it the 20ish km to my place over 5-7 business days after it gets to their Canadian "office."

But in the end, people will vote with their wallets. If AEI has P&D or Phoenix Range as a dealer for these, I'd probably prefer to just walk in there, light up my debit card and walk out with a new toy under my arm, instead of paying for shipping on top of everything else.

[Drache]

I'll wait for someone with FRT access to verify it.

Why didn't you just say please?

[SIR VEYOR]

Why didn't you just say please?

All hail the cricket whisperer! He speaks, they out bigger than the Budwiser frogs!

[SIR VEYOR]

The guys at IRG just seem to be pulling off reactionary bullshit to scoop business from people who have done the actual leg work because they can get stuff from their US "branch" for cheaper, and at a higher profit margin due to the lower overhead costs of not having a brick & mortar shop. Even Questar doesn't stoop to that, and they've been in the cross-border gun running business for a lot longer than IRG, Aztech, or anyone else I can think of.

So you’re blaming them for volume buying power and realizing E-commerce is profitable for a widespread customer base? Most of the sponsors on here wouldn’t exist without their large number of e-sales. That aggressive business type of behaviour is what got us a lot of the non res stuff right now, especially at these price points. Everyone is still making money, but maybe in different ways. A range is supporting Phoenix’s sales. How many original Fortune 500 companies are still on there and doing what they always did? GE went last week.

In a way, IRG helped create the “AR-ish” shotgun hey day on right now. Canada Ammo did the heavy lifting, said up front: “likely restricted”. It was, they decided not to import any at all. IRG did, proving the market existed. Another great company brought in variations (among other companies), and worked hard to get that interpretation revised to non res.

Like any business, there’s things to like and not like. I’ve heard sketchy things about a lot of big online presence dealers paying to be here and at CGN. And smaller guys too.

Overall, I’m happy IRG came out to play. They’re part of the more realistically priced, innovative, industry we have here today. Would the non res AR market be exploding in the sub $1k market without at least some of their presence? It’s caused businesses to reevaluate and develop new things. Without change, no growth. Without change, no innovation.

[DILLIGAF]

The guys at IRG just seem to be pulling off reactionary bullshit to scoop business from people who have done the actual leg work because they can get stuff from their US "branch" for cheaper, and at a higher profit margin due to the lower overhead costs of not having a brick & mortar shop..

They keep the bullshit NR tax verry low. and I applaud them for it. If it wasnt for them we still be getting rapped in Canada look at North Sylva and the MX10 ... hahahahh they blatantly rip off Canadian gun owners and give zero *cares* about it.

Brick and mortar stores are a dying breed. If I can buy it online for cheaper why the heck would I get in my truck, waste gas, go into the store, have to talk to people and pay 15% tax instead of 5% when I buy online. Heck Everyone I know has Amazon prime. Save a metric ton of money, get your stuff in 2 days! And the best part all of this can be done naked from your living room.

[Grizz Axxemann]

They keep the bullshit NR tax verry low. and I applaud them for it. If it wasnt for them we still be getting rapped in Canada look at North Sylva and the MX10 ... hahahahh they blatantly rip off Canadian gun owners and give zero *cares* about it.

I find your grousing of the "NR tax" laughable. Sure, companies like North Sylva like to jack the price up something fierce, and I agree, it's bullshit, but you get to decide with your wallet. You don't like the price, don't buy it. For the rest of it, you've got to factor in exchange rates (which fluctuate daily) transport costs, and of course, the costs associated with running a gun shop.

Brick and mortar stores are a dying breed. If I can buy it online for cheaper why the heck would I get in my truck, waste gas, go into the store, have to talk to people and pay 15% tax instead of 5% when I buy online. Heck Everyone I know has Amazon prime. Save a metric ton of money, get your stuff in 2 days! And the best part all of this can be done naked from your living room.

Sadly, they are. Personally, I think it sucks. You see it different. I like to be able to hold something in my hand, or try it on before buying it. I like to ask questions from someone knowledgeable (I know, a rarity in this day and age) about the product I'm planning on spending my hard earned money on, since I don't have much of it to spend on toys. Needless to say, I blame jackasses like you for the death of the B&M storefront, and unscrupulous property management firms who keep jacking up rent for said locations. I grew up in a town where you got your meat from the butcher, your bread from the baker, and your produce from the green grocer and you were on first name basis with them. Quality was far better than what you're getting for the same price you're paying today (inflation adjusted, of course.) Mind you, back then gas was cheap, and things were built to last. I can see why you want to not burn fuel in your truck. It costs $200 to fill, and the doors fall off inside of 5 years. But that's because everyone wants their goods cheap cheap cheap.

Remember the triangle of Cheap, Fast, and Well Made? You can only pick two. Well made is ALWAYS one of the corners for me. So if I want it fast, I have to be prepared to spend. If I want it cheap, I better be patient. But don't let my ramblings and grousing about the good old days stop you from ordering from someone who runs their business from a SeaCan and a PO Box.

[DILLIGAF]

I blame jackasses like you for the death of the B&M storefront.

[SIR VEYOR]

I find your grousing of the "NR tax" laughable. Sure, companies like North Sylva like to jack the price up something fierce, and I agree, it's bullshit, but you get to decide with your wallet. You don't like the price, don't buy it. For the rest of it, you've got to factor in exchange rates (which fluctuate daily) transport costs, and of course, the costs associated with running a gun shop.

Remember the triangle of Cheap, Fast, and Well Made? You can only pick two. Well made is ALWAYS one of the corners for me. So if I want it fast, I have to be prepared to spend. If I want it cheap, I better be patient. But don't let my ramblings and grousing about the good old days stop you from ordering from someone who runs their business from a SeaCan and a PO Box.

Until IRG and a lot of other online efforts, you couldn’t vote with your wallet. And you’re apparently fine with knowing that you’re being mugged. Just pay more cuz it’s the Canadian way...
Your triangle is hard to square unless we add in a side for “knowingly exploited by the middleman/distributor. They’re part of the reason why small shops all offer mostly the same low end selection, poor diversity, and poor prices.

Look at Virden MB, could they really support their size and staff without their online presence and efforts? How about Arms East themselves? You’d go to their store to get a Stag?

Many retailers have now bypassed North Sylva and others and are sourcing straight from manufacturers. They’ve adapted their business models. Some work, some don’t. ATRS development of the MH/MV line also showed a product opportunity. They didn’t want to lower their price point or even offer a much lower cost option. It’s a great product, but comes at a boutique price. Others found a way to do so economically. I think even ATRS has some options getting there now. Boolets knows the ins and out much better on most of that.

And the guys operating out of a Seacan are frequently fronting the cash themselves. Not making you bankroll part of the order for them. And if they’re successful they open a B&M. SFRC come to mind.

Essentially, you’re mad that IRG isn’t following an exclusive distribution agreement, that was thought to be there, but never was. How many have IRG put through the lab for approval themselves? Can that be checked? It might be surprising. Then again, I think a lot of theirs have been restricted, so they don’t get much attention in most circles.