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    If he
    1. has got the cash to lawyer up
    2. has a letter of refusal (not just a phone call)
    3. a certainty that the CFO is wrong
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    he could try his luck with a Firearms Act Section 74 hearing which would bring the decision before a judge, and the judge has the power to overrule the CFO.
    The hearing will have the CFO appear as an expert.

    If the CFO says no, and the judge says no, then that's the end of that.

    If the CFO says no, but the judge says yes, the CFO may delay issuing a PAL or require conditions that are required to be fulfilled before PAL issuance,
    or at issuance add lots of special conditions to the PAL at the CFOs discretion and CFOs wording.
    Further, the CFO may revoke the PAL after issuance at the CFO's discretion.

    which is basically another way of saying

    Quote Originally Posted by FallisCowboy View Post
    call ... firearms ... lawyers ... Then it's decision time as to how much is a PAL worth to that individual.
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    Hes a big boy he can figure out for himself why he wasn't approved.
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    Thank God he got denied LoL


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    Sounds like there's far more to the story than you've been told.
    "...and was on probation..." Or is currently on probation. Or has a Criminal Record that involves violence or drug related convictions.
    This is kind of elderly, but might help explain things.
    This being the important part. A phone call doesn't count.
    "The responsible person who refuses or revokes must do it in writing [FA s. 72(1)]. A voice on the telephone cannot do either of those things, so any firearms control bureaucrat who tries to do that should be told that he is exceeding his authority under FA s. 72, and that you will wait for his refusal or revocation to be delivered to you in writing, as the law requires."
    https://nfa.ca/legal-issue/document-...nd-revocation/

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    Quote Originally Posted by greywolf67nt View Post
    Just wondering if anyone on here has had someone they know be refused a PAL?
    A friend of mine took the course and sent in his application and waited patiently about 6 months then started to inquire as to the status of his application. After several phone calls he was no further ahead.
    About a week after his last call he received a CALL from the CFP telling him he was being denied as he was a danger to society.
    I have known this guy for 5 years and yes he did some stupid things in his youth but aside from being totally addicted to Red Bull and cigarettes has straightened out.
    I have 2 questions I guess.
    1) Are they supposed to notify you in writing? A phone call just seems like they want you to give up because they really have no reason to not issue it but their opinion is they don't want to issue it.
    2) He kept his original test results so is he just beating his head against the wall if he just keeps applying until they get sick of him applying and just issue it?
    The statement "danger to society....." says it all. Obviously,he has past convictions for violent crime which disqualifies him from firearm ownership. The system is working exactly the way it's supposed to....which is rather re-assuring to see. He has a choice. Once he gets the clarification in writing,he may then apply to The National Parole Board for a pardon. Until then,he'll be S.O.L. A word to the wise,though,if he's caught with any firearm while unlicensed in any way,shape or form and he's still on parole,he'll go right back to the joint to finish his sentence. He must govern himself accordingly. Sorry if this sounds harsh,it's really not meant to be,just straight up honest.

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    1) he'll get the refusal letter in writting at some point

    2) he can keep sending his application all he wants, the label "danger to society" won't magically disapear even if he applies 15 times until xmas

    3) you got the same answers on another forum, dont know what you were expecting by asking it here

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT741 View Post
    1) he'll get the refusal letter in writing at some point
    It has been six months so did it get lost in the mail? Even up here Canada Post isn't that slow

    Quote Originally Posted by DT741 View Post
    2) he can keep sending his application all he wants, the label "danger to society" won't magically disappear even if he applies 15 times until xmas
    Until the refusal is in writing it can.

    Quote Originally Posted by DT741 View Post
    3) you got the same answers on another forum, dont know what you were expecting by asking it here
    Check time stamps I asked here first and since when can you not get a second opinion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by greywolf67nt View Post
    It has been six months so did it get lost in the mail? Even up here Canada Post isn't that slow

    Until the refusal is in writing it can.

    Check time stamps I asked here first and since when can you not get a second opinion?
    This is not a matter of opinion. Its a matter of regulation and procedure.
    Read post #8 again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sewktbk View Post
    This is not a matter of opinion. Its a matter of regulation and procedure.
    Read post #8 again.
    His letter was in the mail Friday.
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    Actions have consequences....sounds like he just learned that the hard way.....if they refused him and labeled him a "danger to society"....chances are, he is.

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