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    NRA In Financial Trouble

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...rouble-706371/

    The National Rifle Association warns that it is in grave financial jeopardy, according to a recent court filing obtained by Rolling Stone, and that it could soon “be unable to exist… or pursue its advocacy mission.” (Read the NRA’s legal complaint at the bottom of this story.)

    The reason, according to the NRA filing, is not its deep entanglement with alleged Russian agents like Maria Butina. Instead, the gun group has been suing New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and the state’s financial regulators since May, claiming the NRA has been subject to a state-led “blacklisting campaign” that has inflicted “tens of millions of dollars in damages.”


    In the new document — an amended complaint filed in U.S. District Court in late July — the NRA says it cannot access financial services essential to its operations and is facing “irrecoverable loss and irreparable harm.”

    Specifically, the NRA warns that it has lost insurance coverage — endangering day-to-day operations. “Insurance coverage is necessary for the NRA to continue its existence,” the complaint reads. Without general liability coverage, it adds, the “NRA cannot maintain its physical premises, convene off-site meetings and events, operate educational programs … or hold rallies, conventions and assemblies.”

    The complaint says the NRA’s video streaming service and magazines may soon shut down.

    “The NRA’s inability to obtain insurance in connection with media liability raises risks that are especially acute; if insurers remain afraid to transact with the NRA, there is a substantial risk that NRATV will be forced to cease operating.” The group also warns it “could be forced to cease circulation of various print publications and magazines.”

    In addition to its insurance troubles, the NRA court filing also claims that “abuses” by Cuomo and the New York State Department of Financial Services “will imminently deprive the NRA of basic bank-depository services … and other financial services essential to the NRA’s corporate existence.”

    President Donald Trump leaves the stage after addressing the National Rifle Association convention in Dallas, May 4, 2018. Trump began his remarks by hailing a number of Republican politicians in attendance, voicing full support for Sen. Ted Cruz in his bid for re-election. (Tom Brenner/The New York Times)
    President Trump leaves the stage after addressing the National Rifle Association convention in Dallas, May 4th, 2018.

    The lawsuit presents these financial risks as catastrophic. Without access to routine banking services, the NRA claims, “it will be unable to exist as a not-for-profit or pursue its advocacy mission.” The lawsuit accuses New York’s government of seeking to “silence one of America’s oldest constitutional rights advocates,” pleading to the court: “If their abuses are not enjoined, they will soon, substantially, succeed.”


    The lawsuit stems from actions taken by New York financial regulators to halt the sale of an illegal, NRA-branded insurance policy. The NRA actively marketed “Carry Guard,” a policy to reimburse members for legal costs incurred after firing a legal gun. In May, the state of New York found that Carry Guard “unlawfully provided liability insurance to gun owners for certain acts of intentional wrongdoing.” The NRA’s insurance partners agreed to stop selling the policies and pay a $7 million fine.

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    The NRA complaint alleges that New York was not content to block this single insurance product, but instead campaigned to sever the NRA’s ties to a wide range of financial service providers, from insurance companies to banks.

    The NRA did not respond to a request for more detail about its financial distress, but its most recent financial disclosure also shows it overspent by nearly $46 million in 2016.

    The lawsuit decries pressure from state regulators in the wake of the Parkland, Florida massacre — including a letter asking financial institutions to heed “the voices of the passionate, courageous, and articulate young people who have experienced this recent horror first hand” — and from the governor himself. In April, Cuomo tweeted: “I urge companies in New York State to revisit any ties they have to the NRA and consider their reputations, and responsibility to the public.”

    In its complaint, the NRA paints these actions as a “malicious conspiracy to stifle the NRA’s speech and induce a boycott of the NRA.” Cuomo and state regulators, the NRA alleges, were intent on “suppressing the NRA’s pro-Second Amendment viewpoint” and had engaged in “unlawful conduct with the intent to obstruct, chill, deter, and retaliate against the NRA’s core political speech.”

    According to the NRA, the “conspiracy” has been effective. This winter, its longtime insurer broke off negotiations and “stated that it was unwilling to renew coverage at any price.” [Emphasis in original.] The NRA claims it “has encountered serious difficulties obtaining corporate insurance coverage to replace coverage withdrawn.” In addition, the NRA contends that “multiple banks” have now balked at doing business with it “based on concerns that any involvement with the NRA — even providing the organization with basic depository services —would expose them to regulatory reprisals.”


    The lawsuit seeks an immediate injunction to block state authorities from “interfering with, terminating, or diminishing any of the NRA’s contracts and/or business relationships with any organizations.” Without court intervention, the complaint reads, “the NRA will suffer irrecoverable loss and irreparable harm if it is unable to acquire insurance or other banking services due to Defendants’ actions.”

    Cuomo also did not respond to a request for comment, but has previously waved off the NRA’s lawsuit as “a futile and desperate attempt to advance its dangerous agenda to sell more guns.”

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    I suspect Rolling Stone, in its zeal, is conflating a legal position with reality.
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    If as the lefties think, the NRA is merely a shill for the gun makers, then the gun makers can provide insurance of a sort by establishing a contingency fund.
    If this is a case of lefties trying to strangle free speech, then crowd funding beyond the usual membership drives is in order.
    In any event, all the more reason to support the NRA. As a Canadian I can expect no direct help in Canadian affairs from them, but if they go down it's a huge loss for liberty everywhere.

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    I will consider renewing support for the NRA when they stop selling firearms owners down the river.

    NRA supported the initial widespread implementation of the requirement for may issue concealed carry permits.

    NRA supported the Hughes amendment, banning private citizens from obtaining new automatic weapons.

    NRA supports banning various groups of citizens from possessing firearms, not just infringing upon their rights but actually violating the hell out of them.

    NRA supports bump stock bans.

    It is never appropriate to sell one group down the river, or push them under a bus, “for the greater good.”
    To show that men can travel to the moon and return, use the American experience.

    To show that public safety isn’t hurt by responsible individuals carrying to protect life, use the American experience.

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    Welcome back!
    You're right, their track record isn't perfect. Far from it, it would seem.
    But they are the ones responsible for pushing shall-issue and reciprocity legislation in the past 20 odd years, are they not?
    Anyone who can make the likes of Chuck Schumer cry himself to sleep can't be all bad
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    Seriously, if the NRA hadn't been active in politics in the last 20 years, where would US gun owners be now?

    This kind of "not good enough for me" attitude is why Canada's gun owners are in a weak position. With friends who insist on perfection before they support you, who needs enemies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LB303 View Post
    Welcome back!
    You're right, their track record isn't perfect. Far from it, it would seem.
    But they are the ones responsible for pushing shall-issue and reciprocity legislation in the past 20 odd years, are they not?
    Anyone who can make the likes of Chuck Schumer cry himself to sleep can't be all bad
    No. The NRA fought the push for shall-issue until after it passed in Florida. Only then did they climb on the bandwagon.

    They also fought the referral of Heller to the Supreme Court, joining in only after the court agreed to consider it.

    If I were an American, I would join. Join and become the biggest pain in the ass they have ever seen.

    At the same time, I would support Gun Owners of America and others who actually support the right to keep and bear arms. Support them to the limit of my meagre financial ability.

    Do we have the same problem here?

    Orgs selling owners down the river?

    Of course we do!

    And it is largely because gun owners, as a whole, are happy to allow the rights of “others” to be violated. Violated while totally ignoring this one essential fact.

    If the rights of the “other” are violated - your rights will inevitably be violated as well.

    Frankly, I am tiring of trying to come up with different ways to say “Wake up dammit!”
    To show that men can travel to the moon and return, use the American experience.

    To show that public safety isn’t hurt by responsible individuals carrying to protect life, use the American experience.

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    Well, I stand corrected then. You have a much longer memory in this field than I. Welcome back though. You kind of dropped off for a while there. GOA hey? I'm going to check them out.

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    I'm not really seeing this;

    1) The number of times the NRA is sued or settles would be a hard number to find, but you can be sure the media would be all over any case the NRA loses, and I don't recall hearing of any. Which makes the NRA a pretty good risk for an insurance company. I can see some avoiding the SJW campaign hassles or the last year, but from 2016? There's an insurance company somewhere that will write them a policy, even if all else fails, Lloyd's will underwrite anything and underwriters all the armoured car companies that I know of, so they aren't gun shy.

    2) The NRA may have seen a drop of donations and membership in 2016 as people moved money to supporting candidates in the election, but the SJW boycotts drive tons of money and membership to the NRA and 2017 and 2018 will probably be among the best years ever as far as cash flow goes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_M View Post
    I suspect Rolling Stone, in its zeal, is conflating a legal position with reality.
    There's Fake News,
    CNN hyping biased stories,
    and then there's no news.

    Apple banned the fourth most popular news app in the United States, and within hours Facebook and YouTube did the same.
    Here's how Rolling Stone decided to cover the important freedom-of-speech and political event issues and debate, of a popular newscaster being banned from Apple, Facebook, YouTube (Google), Spotify and even PornHub, with only Twitter allowing Alex Jones to keep his account:


    Porn Star Alex Jones Is Having a Weird Week
    August 9 2018
    “I don’t look anything like that guy,” says the 27-year-old adult-film actor
    -- https://www.rollingstone.com/culture...erview-708165/

    compare to

    Win or Lose, the Alex Jones Lawsuit Will Redefine Free Speech
    https://www.wired.com/story/alex-jon...ne-free-speech
    Last edited by RangeBob; 08-09-2018 at 12:13 PM.

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