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lone-wolf
10-29-2013, 01:42 PM
I'm getting pretty discouraged about my howa.
4shots @ 100yrds, around an inch(or less), 5th shot gone some where's else a couple inches over and down.
SOB!
Change target.
5 shots around 2", and noticeably high.

Good enough for hunting(Minute of pie plate is easy enough), but dang, it's annoying me to hell that I or the the rifle, or both of us, can't be consistent.
Went through 40rds, ahhh, still not happy.
I feel confident about the shots, but then I see it hit away from where I was aiming, it drives me insane
Worse, if the next shot, hits where I am aiming.
Hogue stock too flexible??? Would it make that much of a difference @ 100yrds?
Is the factory ammo not consistent enough? This remington corelokt stuff has good reviews.


This is really just a rant/venting.

Croats
10-29-2013, 01:50 PM
This thread sucks without pics....

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g88/static14159/29738312.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/static14159/media/29738312.jpg.html)

Haywire1
10-29-2013, 01:50 PM
I would suggest trying a couple different brands of ammo and see if that makes a difference. that or reload and experiment. It could be the rifle just doesnt like the rem ammo, or inconsistencies in the batch you have. Powder variance can drastically affect accuracy

Tok-man
10-29-2013, 01:52 PM
^ AGREED, even if they don't help with a diagnosis, it will certainly up the humour factor.

:)

lone-wolf
10-29-2013, 02:01 PM
This thread sucks without pics....

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g88/static14159/29738312.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/static14159/media/29738312.jpg.html)

Here's the rifle, although it has changed. Nikon Monarch 4-16x42 on it now.
http://i767.photobucket.com/albums/xx313/redmudpei/random%20gun-bullet%20stuff/Howa%201500/100_0138.jpg

Strewth
10-29-2013, 02:14 PM
Kinda weird, doesn't sound like a pressure point, it's not the same round from the mag every time, it's not being "consistently inaccurate"...what Haywire said? Ammo? Take time to let the barrel cool between shots when shooting for groups? Is the barrel floating nicely? On one of my synthetics, even though the barrel is floated, it's not enough. If I rest the rifle where I think it "should" be, it flexes enough to touch the barrel.

OOoooorrrr, it's getting close to All Hallow's Eve. Maybe it's a poltergeist, screwing with your scope turrets. Mark them and see! Perhaps a sprinkling of chicken blood is all that's required.
http://www.anikaos.com/0033-halloween_images/carved_pumpkins_faces/pumpkin_faces-02.png

superbrad
10-29-2013, 02:15 PM
Typically if your first few are grouped well then you get a flyer on th elast it is not a rifle but a scope issue.... I'd double check your rings and bases and break out the loctite if I were you....

lone-wolf
10-29-2013, 02:24 PM
I'd double check your rings and bases and break out the loctite if I were you....

Done.


Perhaps a sprinkling of chicken blood is all that's required.

I'll use the whole dang chicken if I have to.


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Going back out tomorrow, going to see what it does offhand/sitting, in a hunting type situation.
I have a some reloads to try as well.

Canuck
10-29-2013, 02:41 PM
Whenever I get a group like that it is usually because I changed my position slightly. Buttstock sitting a little higher or lower, cheek weld slightly different. Rifle not sitting exactly the same on the rifle bags like the previous shots. It doesn't take much.
Is it consistently your fifth shot where this happens? As has been mentioned, was the barrel sufficiently cooled?
Pics of the groups might help.

lone-wolf
10-29-2013, 02:53 PM
Changing position definitely happened.
How cool should the barrel be?

Canuck
10-29-2013, 03:02 PM
Changing position definitely happened.
How cool should the barrel be?

For me anyway, pretty close to what it was when I started. BTW, what was the ambient temperature when you were shooting? I make a point of keeping my ammo out of the sun, especially in the summer, as hot ammo will change the point of impact.

lone-wolf
10-29-2013, 03:09 PM
Ammo was shaded, a cool comfortable day(very nice out, favourite time of year). Barrel was definitely warm.

I will try to be more patient tomorrow.

Strewth
10-29-2013, 03:10 PM
For me anyway, pretty close to what it was when I started.

For me as well; I found if I just let it get "touchable" I wasn't doing myself any favours; used to have a smoke between shots, now I just bring a .22 :). Position is my hardest one, I always wonder if I'm getting back "exactly" where I was. On my Tikka for example, there's a curve in the cheekrest I can feel very well with my cheek, it feels very repeatable, and is very accurate for me...maybe I should stick a small piece of tape on the stock for my face to feel, hmmm.

Croats
10-29-2013, 03:22 PM
Here's the rifle, although it has changed. Nikon Monarch 4-16x42 on it now.
http://i767.photobucket.com/albums/xx313/redmudpei/random%20gun-bullet%20stuff/Howa%201500/100_0138.jpg

Now this is much better! Thanks for gun porn.... please pass the frog lube..LOL (Sorry bad joke from another thread)

blacksmithden
10-29-2013, 06:09 PM
I would suggest trying a couple different brands of ammo and see if that makes a difference. that or reload and experiment. It could be the rifle just doesnt like the rem ammo, or inconsistencies in the batch you have. Powder variance can drastically affect accuracy

^^^ This first. Don't ask me now I know, or how much it cost me to find out. Just try some different ammo first before you start swapping things out.

Edenchef
10-29-2013, 07:28 PM
Amen....most of the time, flyers are caused by factory variations. This is why to get really good groups.....,.handload. JMHO.

Cheers!

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Edenchef
10-29-2013, 07:31 PM
Welcome to the world of the Holy Black. The true powder, we even cast our own bullets. That is how you get to 1000 yards, with iron sights.

Cheers!

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Rory McCanuck
10-29-2013, 07:36 PM
Sure sounds like it is throwing them once it gets heated up.
Blow through the breech between shots.
Three shot groups.
Wait five minutes between shots.

If that cures it, bedding might be the answer.
Of course, it might be crummy factory ammo(ptooey!) :p

Tok-man
10-29-2013, 07:45 PM
how much space is there between the scope and the barrel. cant tell in the pic... got a scale and micrometer? if you're shooting factory, mic them an weigh them. group together for a shoot. see what happens.

how cool. ideally, barrel shoud be same temp per shot.

fire one, go for a ten minute walk and collect brass... repeat. see if that is the issue.

worst case scenario... sellit for beer! I bid a 6 pack!

lone-wolf
10-31-2013, 07:57 PM
Was busy trying to find a partridge yesterday, and running around today. Rain tomorrow. Hopefully I can get out saturday.

444shooter
11-01-2013, 05:36 PM
Have you torqued the action screws? And the bases / rings? What caliber is it BTW?

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lone-wolf
11-01-2013, 05:42 PM
Have you torqued the action screws? And the bases / rings? What caliber is it BTW?

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.308win

Everything is tight, done by hand(no torq wrench)

JustBen
11-01-2013, 08:10 PM
I had bad luck with a hogue stock when I had one. There was a B&C target stock on CGN for a vanguard/howa last week... That is what I would go with.

lone-wolf
11-02-2013, 02:04 PM
I went out today.
Conclusion:
I'm going to tie my knife to the rifle, and just throw it at the deer.

I'm a calm guy. This has me stressed out.


Is it normal for loaded hunting ammo is varying in weight by as much as 4gr?

Guess I will try some different brand ammo when I head out, hopefully I will get a chance, and the stores over there have something besides corelokts

Rory McCanuck
11-02-2013, 04:33 PM
Just to cover all the bases, does the crown have any nicks or dents in it?
Don't give up on it, but you might want to start reloading for it.
308 would be a great one to get started with.
Just sayin'...:)