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Steve
10-29-2013, 05:05 PM
I spent the day doing odds and ends in the workshop. I formed some 6mm cases from 22LR jackets, and also made a couple hundred 43 grain Hornet bullets. These are close to the original design, made in the early 1930s. Mine are a couple of grains lighter. I've got two small modifications to the process I still want to test. Hopefully, my gun club has the berms built so that I can punch some paper before producing more.

http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr179/S_Redgwell/Bullet%20Making/43grainunpointed_zpsd1a218cf.jpg

43 grain bullets after the lead has been seated in the 22LR jackets.

http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr179/S_Redgwell/Bullet%20Making/43grainbucket_zps1cc3124c.jpg

Two hundred fresh out of the press.

http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr179/S_Redgwell/Bullet%20Making/WIA965_zpsc64b1ead.jpg

This is a bottom view after the point is formed. These are made from Winchester cases.

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Sometime later in the year, I intend on trying some of my 60 gr. bullets in the Hornet. The H&R has a 1 in 12 twist and might stabilize them. At any rate, it's fun to launch some down range, even if they don't group. I've shot homemade 60s and 65 grain bullets from my 222 and 223 Rems. This bullet point is a change in my original design. I decided to go with what are called "protected points". This way, the nose of the bullet doesn't hang up on the feed ramp. They have better penetration and mushrooming effects as well.

http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr179/S_Redgwell/Bullet%20Making/60grainPPs_zpse4d49792.jpg

These are made from SK 22LR cases.

kent
10-29-2013, 06:43 PM
Sweet! They look real clean. Nice work Steve.

Rory McCanuck
10-29-2013, 08:07 PM
Those protected point ones sure look interesting.
Is it the drawing them out longer to make them heavier that causes the dimpled effect?
Being thinner with pre-formed stresses would certainly aid in opening quickly.
Hopefully they shoot well for you.

Steve
10-30-2013, 07:24 AM
Yeah, I like PP bullets. The dimpling happens with every bullet made - even the commercial ones. When you bend a cylinder into a point, dimples form. The big manufacturers use softer jackets which aren't affected as much. They also polish the bullets to reduce or eliminate this.

I'm hoping to get to the range within the next couple of weeks. There are two things screwing up my immediate plan. I'm teaching an armament class and my gun club is still messing around with new berm construction. This has been going on for months.

WRT the PPs, you still get exposed lead to promote expansion, but without the difficulties of the lead hanging up anywhere in the mag or when feeding. Here's a close up of a protected point. The bullet on the left has not had the lead smoothed over yet. When you put a point on the bullet, some lead oozes out of the tip. Another die is needed to clean this up and produce the PP.

http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr179/S_Redgwell/Bullets/WIA7E.jpg

df1eye
10-30-2013, 06:10 PM
Tagged for interest.

lone-wolf
10-30-2013, 06:37 PM
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr179/S_Redgwell/Bullet%20Making/WIA965_zpsc64b1ead.jpg

I get a kick out of this picture, with the superx logo on the bottom.

Steve
10-31-2013, 10:12 AM
That makes me chuckle too. :)

I'm getting a lot of Win brass from the indoor range lately. People must be shooting more T22s. I'd appreciate it if they would use more Eley and SK though. It's the nicest brass to work with.

Tok-man
10-31-2013, 10:57 AM
tagged for interest.

How do you smooth out the firing pin hit?

Rory McCanuck
10-31-2013, 12:47 PM
I imagine just the brute force of the pressure from seating the lead would iron it out pretty quickly.

Steve
10-31-2013, 12:52 PM
How do you smooth out the firing pin hit?

80% of it gets smoothed out by the jacket forming punch. More disappears after you seat the lead into the jacket. These have been derimmed, but have not had a core seated. You can see in the middle and right case what is left of the firing pin indent.

http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr179/S_Redgwell/Bullet%20Making/case2_zps55db8b58.jpg

Satain
10-31-2013, 03:55 PM
Sweet!
Well done and can we get a pic of the mushroomed 1's?

Steve
11-01-2013, 05:38 AM
They don't let us shoot jugs at either of the ranges of which I'm a member. I'll have to find a place where I can.

Satain
11-01-2013, 07:48 PM
K cool. If you do can you please post up for me. Really interested in the results.

road kill
11-01-2013, 08:28 PM
They don't let us shoot jugs at either of the ranges of which I'm a member. I'll have to find a place where I can.

Just send me the rifle and ammo and i'll test them for you on the range out behind the house.;D

blacksmithden
11-01-2013, 11:48 PM
I'd be interested in eventually making the dies to punch those puppies out. You're not local to Edmonton by chance are you Steve ? I'd really like to take some precise measurements of your stuff.

Steve
11-03-2013, 07:46 AM
No, I live in central Ontario, near Epps.

wilbar
11-03-2013, 05:59 PM
Our gun club won't let you shoot jugs "on the ground" because of possible ricochet. Some members have been approved for use of reactive targets on wooden stands which eliminates possible ricochet. Also a point about leaving the range clean. If you go to the "right" people at the club you may be able to get permission if you have a plan to address the relevant concerns. You can also go old school and shoot a target taped to a cardboard box full of wet newsprint or phone books. Phonebooks were my first ballistic media and my Hornady 139s from my 7-08 penetrated 11" of dry phonebooks at 400yds. Of course they were textbook mushrooms.

Willy

Steve
11-03-2013, 06:16 PM
I don't want to use wet newspaper for these bullets because they're made from 22 rimfire cases. I used to do that with my .308 and .313 bullets but did not like the results.

At my old club, I used wooden stands for water jugs. With varmint bullets, I believe that you get a more accurate picture of what to expect when you hit a coyote, groundhog or similar. The wet newspaper is still "too hard". :)

What I will end up doing is going to one of the local pits and use my range finder to place the jugs. That won't happen for a few weeks.

Steve
11-20-2013, 06:21 PM
I have discovered a way of stress relieving the 22LR cases so that the nose forms more smoothly. These are 60 grain bullets (59.5 gr. actually) but they come out of the press much better. Now that I've worked this out, production won't be too far behind.

Look at the noses of the bullets that are on their sides. The lead is rounded over and meets up perfectly with the jacket. These bullets have not been given a final cleaning. They are fresh out of the press. Some of what appear to be dents, scratches or dark spots are just dirt from the production process.

http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr179/S_Redgwell/Bullet%20Making/WIA6A9D_zpsbb80296a.jpg

The beauty of this is that the bullet OAL is the same or shorter than a 55 grain bullet. This will do 3000 fps out of a 222 Rem and almost 3100 fps from a 223.

lone-wolf
11-20-2013, 08:54 PM
They look better than most of the factory softpoints I've been buying

Steve
11-20-2013, 09:15 PM
Thanks. After they are cleaned up, I'll take another picture. Making your own bullets is like home cooking - it's always better, and very satisfying.