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Nelson84
11-11-2013, 02:32 AM
I found a socom 18 carbine at Canada ammo. It looks good. I would buy one but they are made in china. :(

JustBen
11-11-2013, 07:41 AM
The Chinese made M14 rifles are pretty good considering the relatively low price. Don't let the country of origin stop you. A us made socom will set you back three to four times as much.

lone-wolf
11-11-2013, 08:58 AM
You could buy one of those junk springfields.

Haywire1
11-11-2013, 09:03 AM
not to mention the norincos have milled recievers not cast, even te U.S. guys try to get their hands on them when they are building from scratch. And also, the US sold the tooling for making the m14 to china, so in a roundabout way, it is us. As far as I can tell, the days of issues with chinese firearms are in the past except for the odd lemon, which you get here. And when you can buy one for $500 ish after taxes, why pay $1800 plus?

H2O MAN
11-11-2013, 12:50 PM
even te U.S. guys try to get their hands on them when they are building from scratch.

Yep, after parting out my problematic Springfield Scout all of my M14s have been custom built on Norinco & Poly Tech receivers.

Satain
11-11-2013, 05:56 PM
I say do it. You can trick it out and it will still come out to be less than a Springfield. Only thing I am on the bench about is if these are re-welds and or fit and finish. I<3M14 says that overall they are quite good but some parts may need to be replaced. I am waiting for the next gun show to see 1 for my self and talk to Chris about it before I buy yet another M14.
Also these prices are not going to be around for much longer as they are getting to the bottom of there parts bin on these rifles. Witch means that soon they are going to have to start re-manufacturing them. Another words expect a price increase coming soon with these rifles.

DruidicRifleman
11-14-2013, 11:05 AM
Do the mags Come with the Welded on base plates?

Id buy two if so!

chalkriver
11-14-2013, 07:15 PM
Mine just showed up from CanAm and I am very happy with it . This is my 6th and the nicest one I have owned yet .
The only issue was the op rod guide was loose but it was an easy fix. The overall finish of the rifle is nicer as well with dark Parkerizing.
No rivets in the mags . I put in a set of Garand rear sights and a new op rod spring guide then peened the barrel to tighten up the op rod guide and am ready to try it out.
The allen screw for the front sight protrudes a bit and it has to be removed to spin off the gas locking ring . No shims for the gas system were required and the barrel indexing is fine.
Over all I am impressed so far.

Satain
11-15-2013, 04:52 PM
Mine just showed up from CanAm and I am very happy with it . This is my 6th and the nicest one I have owned yet .
The only issue was the op rod guide was loose but it was an easy fix. The overall finish of the rifle is nicer as well with dark Parkerizing.
No rivets in the mags . I put in a set of Garand rear sights and a new op rod spring guide then peened the barrel to tighten up the op rod guide and am ready to try it out.
The allen screw for the front sight protrudes a bit and it has to be removed to spin off the gas locking ring . No shims for the gas system were required and the barrel indexing is fine.
Over all I am impressed so far.
Is there still a set screw in the barrel?

chalkriver
11-19-2013, 10:41 AM
Yes the screw is still there .

Stevo
11-22-2013, 09:48 AM
Got mine yesterday. The indexing looks good and the only apparent (minor) issue is that the op rod guide is a bit loose and slightly off-center. It'll take 10 minutes to fix up if I even bother.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/stevo8904/IMG_0356Medium_zpsf9c82df0.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/stevo8904/media/IMG_0356Medium_zpsf9c82df0.jpg.html)
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Satain
11-23-2013, 12:49 AM
Oh Ho Stevo!
Looking good. Also that one there doesn't look like a re-weld. can you please confirm for me?

Stevo
11-23-2013, 01:42 AM
Do you mean "re-weld" in the American sense, that is a de-milled, cut receiver welded back together or something else?

Satain
11-23-2013, 07:25 PM
Take a look at the rear of the receiver. It should look like something was modified by the end of the op-rod channel. Also on that same side look at the 2 tabs that come down from the receiver were the trigger latches into. If you see a circle spot there then it's a re-weld. If not you are good to go.
Last I heard CanAm and johnone were scrapping the bottom of the barrel when it came to these receivers and if they start up production on these at today's prices they will cost atleast double.
But that is the rumor mill and if I post that over there I get the hammer every time.

Stevo
11-23-2013, 08:54 PM
Ah, that sort of re-weld. Will check it tomorrow before I hit the range.

They're always near the bottom of the supply, it seems. IIRC, John said he had received his "last shipment" a few years back.

Stevo
11-24-2013, 08:57 PM
There's no sign of any welding on my receiver. It ran like a top today. I fired about 50 rounds with zero issues.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/stevo8904/m14snowMedium_zps4520e8bf.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/stevo8904/media/m14snowMedium_zps4520e8bf.jpg.html)

Satain
11-25-2013, 01:34 PM
NICE!
Seems like I got to get one of these bad boys.
Sweet pic's Stevo ;)

Stevo
11-25-2013, 09:51 PM
NICE!
Seems like I got to get one of these bad boys.
Sweet pic's Stevo ;)

Thanks.

Saw a new (to me) problem with a buddy's new DA 22" rifle today. When the op rod is pulled as far to the rear as it will go, the tip of the op rod will move all the way out of the op rod guide and occasionally jam against the edge of the guide when the op rod is released.

Any thoughts on that?

Satain
11-25-2013, 11:09 PM
Yep but I would need it in my hands to fix it. Got pic's? Might be able to work ya threw it. Or if you want I will get M14doc to chime in for ya.

Stevo
11-26-2013, 01:01 AM
I can do pretty much everything other than barrel work. If you point me in the right direction I can figure it out.

Satain
11-27-2013, 12:55 PM
Can I get a picture of the channel that the op-rod tab goes into at the rear of the receiver?
Are you lifting the op-rod when charging back or is this happening when the rifle is mechanically cycling?
Is your op-rod guide loose?
Can you try one of your other op-rods and spring in this rifle and does it do the same thing?

Stevo
11-27-2013, 01:50 PM
No pics, it's not my rifle.

When the charging handle is pulled as far to the rear as it will move, the tip of the op rod is not supported by the op rod guide and may jam against it. It mostly happens when worked by hand, but has happened when shooting. The op rod is not being tilted or pulled off line in any way.

The op rod guide is a bit loose, but only wiggles side to side.

Haven't tried a different op rod yet.

Satain
11-27-2013, 06:29 PM
K check that and also the channel in the receiver that it rides in. Something for sure is out of spec on this 4 darn sure.

chalkriver
12-11-2013, 05:17 AM
I have owned a few of these rifles in different versions over the years and bought the new Socom right away when it first came out . At first inspection it looked great .....everything tight and inline until I went to the range. It kept jamming every 3-4 rounds when firing it . The round would be about 1/2 into the chamber and if I pulled back on the bolt slightly I could get the action to go forward again. And even when chambering the 1st round it would jam a lot as well . I exchanged it and now the replacement arrives but has alot of issues. Most I can fix myself (with the use of Hungrys barrel vice) but its been disappointing to see this rifle having a lot of the same old problems . Barrel indexed incorrectly , front sight base on the gas locking ring milled at an angle , loose op rod guide , gas cylinder needs shims , rear sights garbage .The tail of the gas piston was rubbing on the inside of the cylinder . At first it took a fair bit of force to get it through but after a some cleaning up of the inside of the cylinder and passing the piston through a lot of times the piston would move through freely . It passed the tilt test after this was done and the gas system should be fine.
Guess what ....Quality control from the factory is still a joke !!!
I have been impressed with the dealers response up till now and can understand his position but this time I will only get a new gas locking ring or a refund and not another rifle .
If I wasn't knowledgeable about these rifles I would be a very frustrated person right about now.

So ....would I recommend one of these rifles to someone else . ...... Yes , but
1. Only if they were informed about the chances of getting a rifle with some issues and what the dealers policies are on exchanges and refunds.
2. What the common issues are with these rifles and as well as how to fix them if possible.
3. If they don't like tinkering with these rifles then buy one only if they could inspect the rifle themselves first .
4. And course if they can ... get to one of Hungrys or 45ACPKINGS clinics .

Satain
12-11-2013, 05:47 PM
He is in Surrey tonight so I am going by there in a bit and hit him up 4 ya ;)

chalkriver
12-15-2013, 06:31 AM
They used to mill the odd sight base on the flash eliminator at an angle .
Good to see they kept up that tradition ..lol .
And someone at the factory actually adjusted the sights on it and shipped it out .

http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x357/chalkriver/m-14%20pics/Socom18crookedsight1.jpg (http://s1177.photobucket.com/user/chalkriver/media/m-14%20pics/Socom18crookedsight1.jpg.html)
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Stevo
12-20-2013, 04:36 PM
And now with a scope.:)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/stevo8904/IMG_0461Medium_zpsffec0dd9.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/stevo8904/media/IMG_0461Medium_zpsffec0dd9.jpg.html)

Satain
12-20-2013, 11:33 PM
This is what he told me tonight.
Cheek the op-rod guide pin whole is properly placed on the barrel.
Check the op-rod tab.
Check op-rod guide channel. It might not be in spec.Sorry about the delay. I forgot to hearse him. Also he says to steer clear of the socom from DA cause he is sick and tired of answering pm's and email's about it. That is why he has gone silent he says.

Strangeday
06-02-2014, 09:54 AM
I know plenty of Americans that covet the Norinco M-14 receivers.

jt_trouble
09-04-2014, 07:12 PM
This is what he told me tonight.Sorry about the delay. I forgot to hearse him. Also he says to steer clear of the socom from DA cause he is sick and tired of answering pm's and email's about it. That is why he has gone silent he says.

Damn. I was thinking of getting one of these little charms. They can't be that bad are they? Or should I just a Norinco version?

mtlgun
09-04-2014, 09:41 PM
There's technically no difference between a CanAm and Norc JT. CanAm just buys enough of them to get their own name put on but it's the same factory and Oompa Loompa's doing the builds.

That said, some of them can be excellent guns. Others however can remind you of the outstanding reputation that Commie stuff has rightly earned in the market.

Best bet is to read the stickies, get well informed of the known issues, and be patient. There's a ton of them popping up all over now in the used market and still quite a few to be had new even at Canadian Tire supposedly. If you're buying used ask lots of questions and get lots of pics. If you're buying new find out what store policy is on returns or warranty repairs.

Much like budget 1911's however, fixing/fine tuning them is half the fun.

I.C.R.
09-04-2014, 09:55 PM
hey guys...... I go by 45acpking and formerly M14doc(tor) on other sites.
I think my comments on the DA Socom might have been taken a little bit out of context hehehe and I just read this thread now.
I stopped riflesmithing the Chinese guns simply because I wanted to concentrate on higher end builds with the stocks I make.
I did grumble that the socom wasn't a vast improvement as far as the typical QC goes.
I will say, that I have owned a couple and tuned a few and I rather enjoyed the socom 18 in the fact that it was a cool variation and was nice to see that someone made a gas lock sight come with the rifle. a far better "custom" feature than those pukey plastic camo stocks we got a few years ago LOL

like all of these rifles..... and that includes springfields ect...... there are tweaks and tune ups to improve your experience and rifle performance. Lots of helpful guys on various forums. I'll be transitioning to spending most of my time here and would be happy to help guys with questions or problems.
cheers
thomas

jt_trouble
09-04-2014, 11:34 PM
thanks for the quick replies, now just to get my hands on one. im not particularly fond of that reversible flash hider and would op for a muzzle brake. but it just seems that short barrels are not popping up on the EE's as often which id rather get for a truck/boat rifle.

mtlgun
09-05-2014, 07:37 AM
I think the ' short ' barrel version is only 2 or 3 inches shorter so it's not a genuinely huge difference.

For better or for worse it's the start of gun show season. You might find a bargain or get offered a glorious family heir loom at 5x retail. Either way as a boat/truck beater gun they're hard to beat.

jwirecom109
09-05-2014, 07:52 AM
you know we are giving one away this month ;)

jt_trouble
09-05-2014, 08:00 AM
you know we are giving one away this month ;)

Really now? I must have missed that pm. I'll try for free before I dish out $500 lol

jwirecom109
09-05-2014, 08:01 AM
Check the giveaway button at the top

mtlgun
09-05-2014, 09:43 AM
Jwire don't be giving away my gun to anyone else. I'm still a bit miffed someone is walking around with my Klarus flashlight. I've be supper PO'ed if anyone borrows my M305.

Nester
09-17-2014, 04:55 PM
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Burped through 200 rounds without a problem. I likes it alot!~ :shoot:

mtlgun
09-18-2014, 01:19 PM
nice one nester. good find

Nester
09-28-2014, 10:32 PM
Thanks



Yep, did a bit of tweaking with it and good to go.


Put around 250 rounds threw it without a hiccup.....it's fun to watch big rocks turned into little ones :shoot: