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Mikthaniel
11-13-2013, 12:07 AM
So I have a .308 that I love, but my next calibre down is a .17hmr...
I am thinking of a coyote gun (not that the .308 won't do, but man it goes BANG you know!?).
Searching around for info to help decide between .204 Ruger, 22-250 and .223...

What are people's favourites and why?

I love the idea of a "black rifle" but I am non-restricted limited and not sure of the legalities around coyote hunting with them...

Input is greatly appreciated and photos get you special consideration...

Haywire1
11-13-2013, 12:14 AM
pretty much any of the calibers you listed would work fine for yotes. 5.56(.223) would be the cheapest of the 3. black rifle for yote hunting is good to go, as long as the rifle is NR, it doesnt matter what you use. I have shot yotes with a mares leg, a .22, a 30-30, a couple different black rifles. all non restricted and as far as I could tell the yote didnt notice what color the rifle was, lol. here is my new yote gun, sks, 18.5" barrel, get into the sks for under 250, ammo is dirt cheap and accurate enough for yotes. first pic is the sks, second is a 3 round 50 yard group

http://imageshack.us/a/img4/9359/jlif.jpg

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9794/qe92.jpg

also, here is a somewhat up to date list of non restricted black rifles
http://gunownersofcanada.ca/showthread.php?642-List-of-Non-Restricted-Black-Rifles-Pistol-Calibre-Carbines-and-FAQ

Mikthaniel
11-13-2013, 12:24 AM
But I can still see the X! lol

J/K thanks for the reply, I have been looking at Wholesale Sports Russian SKS price and thinking hard about that...

If I did, I'd spend cash on a stock and frills and spend close to as much as a modern black rifle anyways... Then in THAT case the .223 is just a way flatter shooter than the 7.62X39... but then the .204 and 22-250 are flatter yet! ... That's my thought train so far...

Haywire1
11-13-2013, 12:51 AM
Well my sks was 220. Buttpad extender and bipod 40. Rails system 100 and scope free but 150 for half decent red dot.muzzle brake not needed so I wont include it
Total under 500. Could build it cheaper yet if you use a different scope mount. Cheapest decent NR black rifle is going to run you 1k. Cant speak to .204 but I dont see a lot of ammo around for it. And 22-250 while I see it is pricy. Depends on the range your looking at as well. Out to about 200 yards honestly who cares if the 5.56 is flat or the 7.62x39 is a rainbow? Yote down is yote down.over that range go 22-250 or do what I do use your hunting rifle.

Spooksar
11-13-2013, 09:03 AM
For a black rifle I would use a XCR- L with a good scope, longer range. I used an old Remington 22-250 I've had for years. But my new Coyote/Wolf gun is a custom 240 Gibbs. We have shoots from 25-500 yards here so you want a gun that will reach out

lone-wolf
11-13-2013, 12:02 PM
We have a .22 cal centerfire limit on PEI for yotes, so I went for the .223 for popularity of the round.
.22-250 is also popular.

.22-250 should be flatter shooting and longer range than the .223
I don't plan on shooting out past 300yrds, I doubt it'll get further than 150yrds, so the .223 works for me.

I think a bolt action is the way to go. Nothing else I seen is accurate enough I have seen yet. Except for a mini14 that was done up by ASI(iirc) in Colorado.
Some of the pricier ones may be accurate enough, but they're out of my price range.

Mikthaniel
11-13-2013, 12:29 PM
We have a .22 cal centerfire limit on PEI for yotes, so I went for the .223 for popularity of the round.
.22-250 is also popular.

.22-250 should be flatter shooting and longer range than the .223
I don't plan on shooting out past 300yrds, I doubt it'll get further than 150yrds, so the .223 works for me.

I think a bolt action is the way to go. Nothing else I seen is accurate enough I have seen yet. Except for a mini14 that was done up by ASI(iirc) in Colorado.
Some of the pricier ones may be accurate enough, but they're out of my price range.

Awesome, exactly the kind of feedback that will help push me to a decision, thanks!

Mikthaniel
11-13-2013, 12:31 PM
For a black rifle I would use a XCR- L with a good scope, longer range. I used an old Remington 22-250 I've had for years. But my new Coyote/Wolf gun is a custom 240 Gibbs. We have shoots from 25-500 yards here so you want a gun that will reach out

First I've ever heard of the .240 Gibbs...

Although getting up there, I would maybe just go .243 and have another deer hunter as well?

mlehto
11-13-2013, 12:32 PM
Savage 10 Precision Carbine in .223.....

Can't imagine a better Yote gun, as it is accurate as a factory rifle comes, and still remains light enough to carry without sacrificing the heavy barrel.

Topped mine with a Sightron SII Big Sky 4-16 on Weaver Tactical Base, and Rings.

http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy291/mlehtovaara/Snapbucket/E5F26D12-orig_zpsddfb943a.jpg (http://s801.photobucket.com/user/mlehtovaara/media/Snapbucket/E5F26D12-orig_zpsddfb943a.jpg.html)

Spooksar
11-13-2013, 11:38 PM
First I've ever heard of the .240 Gibbs...

Although getting up there, I would maybe just go .243 and have another deer hunter as well?

240 Gibbs is a Wildcat based on a 30-06 case with the shoulder pushed out .190 and necked down. There was a whole series created by Rocky Gibbs from 240 on up to 338 or 35. Can't remember and my books aren't handy.

road kill
11-14-2013, 05:12 AM
I use a Tikka t3 lite in 204 for coyotes, great to carry and accurate and so far fur friendly. Haven't had much luck with factory ammo though so reloading is the only way to go for me. I also picked up a Kel-Tec su16f in 223 for coyotes, very nice to carry but not as accurate as a good bolt gun. I'm getting 1.5" groups with the 223 at 100 yards which is plenty good enough for coyotes. A 22-250 or 243 are also great with a 243 a plus for deer, these calibers give more range but harder on fur if that is what your going for. So many options and good choices for one short life time.;D My favorite coyote rifle if i'm not out for fur is my 264 win mag.

sk8r
11-14-2013, 06:10 AM
I use an Axis XP .223. I chose that caliber over the 22-250 only because it is way easier to get in more remote spots where you're getting your ammo at trading posts etc. It's also way quieter.

Mikthaniel
11-14-2013, 09:32 AM
I use an Axis XP .223. I chose that caliber over the 22-250 only because it is way easier to get in more remote spots where you're getting your ammo at trading posts etc. It's also way quieter.

Noise factor is actually big for me as that's one of the big reasons I don't just use my .308 with my small bullet handloads. (which I don't load btw... I buy from a guy)

PhatKD
11-14-2013, 09:48 AM
Almost every single yote I have shot in the last couple of years has been with my .17hmr. You have one already,..why not just stick to that? Unless you are shooting long distances in high wind conditions. I have never needed anything else for totes, and I have LOTS of options to choose from locked up at home.

Satain
11-14-2013, 09:55 AM
I went down this road before. I was on a budget so I got a Nork in 223 and a Redfield with a BDC cap's. Turned out to be a real tack driver. I really liked how the superformace from hornady and my BDC on this turret were perfectly aligned. So I would just have to tag them with the laser range finder and hammer them.
Although now after bagg'n 3 of them with my hunting rifle in 308 I sold this rig. As the 308 I have a light 110gr. lead bullet that out to 300 meters is pretty dam flat shooting and don't notice it any loader than the 223.
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Mikthaniel
11-14-2013, 11:08 AM
Almost every single yote I have shot in the last couple of years has been with my .17hmr. You have one already,..why not just stick to that? Unless you are shooting long distances in high wind conditions. I have never needed anything else for totes, and I have LOTS of options to choose from locked up at home.

I suppose it's a concept issue in my head at the moment as I haven't killed anything bigger than a porcupine with my .17 at this point. With a few kills under my belt I probably would end up with that level of confidence as well. The one "issue" I would still have is that my .17 is a single shot, break barrel...

Mikthaniel
11-14-2013, 11:14 AM
I went down this road before. I was on a budget so I got a Nork in 223 and a Redfield with a BDC cap's. Turned out to be a real tack driver. I really liked how the superformace from hornady and my BDC on this turret were perfectly aligned. So I would just have to tag them with the laser range finder and hammer them.
Although now after bagg'n 3 of them with my hunting rifle in 308 I sold this rig. As the 308 I have a light 110gr. lead bullet that out to 300 meters is pretty dam flat shooting and don't notice it any loader than the 223.

My smallest bullet I have been shooting so far has been a 145 gr. FMJ so it still really goes BANG...

I am getting some 110 gr. Speers loaded for me... Maybe they will be more "polite"...

I wish suppressors were legal, holy eff... Stupid laws...

You know, if firearms were invented today, it would be legislated that they have to be more consumer safe and include sound dampening technology. It's only because we are talking about changing an archaic design that there is such a resistance...

VancouverSkiBum
11-14-2013, 04:16 PM
But I can still see the X! lol

J/K thanks for the reply, I have been looking at Wholesale Sports Russian SKS price and thinking hard about that...

If I did, I'd spend cash on a stock and frills and spend close to as much as a modern black rifle anyways... Then in THAT case the .223 is just a way flatter shooter than the 7.62X39... but then the .204 and 22-250 are flatter yet! ... That's my thought train so far...

They are on sale for 179.99 right now until November 24th.

Im at around 417$ all in on my SKS, and im hoping its done. Bi-pod, buttpad, rail, red-dot, and sks. And all that was shipped to me, so take off mabey 40 or 50$ for shipping.

Mikthaniel
11-14-2013, 08:07 PM
They are on sale for 179.99 right now until November 24th.

Im at around 417$ all in on my SKS, and im hoping its done. Bi-pod, buttpad, rail, red-dot, and sks. And all that was shipped to me, so take off mabey 40 or 50$ for shipping.

Loan me $200?

VancouverSkiBum
11-14-2013, 08:20 PM
Loan me $200?

http://www.moneymart.ca/paydayloans/free-200-loan.asp?intcid=200loan_masthead

And ill leave you with a picture of a man chasing a bear with a baseball bat.

http://i.imgur.com/xNb7pkL.jpg

Mikthaniel
11-14-2013, 08:23 PM
LOL

tuffteddyb
12-21-2013, 11:28 PM
I would go with a 223,cheap to shoot,not that loud.
It depends on how far you want to shoot them.
Wife was shooting gophers at almost 400yards with hers,with no problem.
I own a 22/250A.I and would I build another? Nope.
Would go with a 223.shoots as far as I want to shoot varmits at.
223 uses a third less powder and is nicer too shoot.