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YukonLeftie
12-09-2013, 06:15 PM
I picked up a rather unusual little item a while ago. Single shot, falling block style rifle, with " 22. 7 1/2 " stamped on the side. 22S, 22R and 22WMR all fit in the chamber. Anyone have an idea what it is I have here?

(Edit - brain fart on my part; should likely be in rimfire. Oops.)

Satain
12-10-2013, 12:37 AM
Pic's would help.

YukonLeftie
12-10-2013, 02:21 AM
A half dozen upload attempts later...


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Camo tung
12-10-2013, 11:10 AM
Do you have a better pic looking straight down towards the lifter, chamber?

Looks like a Martini copy. No other markings?

lone-wolf
12-10-2013, 01:02 PM
Relevant:

I seem to recall that the earlier barrels chambered for 22 WRF had a calibre roll marking of 22. 7 or 22. 7 1/2, something like that. Will have to do some digging.
http://www.assra.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1269314093/9

Looking at the screw layout, it matches a Model 44 1/2(which seem to carry a much higher value)
http://www.gunvaluesboard.com/j.-stevens-arms-company-22-lr-s/n-53479-what-year-was-it-made-model-7750838.html

Based on that, I'd called it a Model 44 1/2 action chambered for .22WRF.
If I am right it might be quite valuable.

No longer relevant, but for entertainment:

Further searching says they switched from your style barrel to either round or octagonal in 1912, so judging from that, it's pre-1912.
Another post I read:
If your gun says "J Stevens arms and tool co" or J stevens a & T Co, its pre-WWI, pre 1915

I'm assuming it's a Stevens Favourite, more information on them here, but no mention of a barrel marking like that.
http://www.wisnersinc.com/additional_info/stevens_favorite_rifles.htm

YukonLeftie
12-10-2013, 02:36 PM
Well, the rear sight seems to be a replacement - its stamped "SAVAGE ARMS CO PATENT SEPT 26, 1911" and the rifle clearly was drilled and tapped for the vernier style peep sight to the rear. I tend to agree with you on the rest of it; Though I would like a bit more conclusive evidence regarding the meaning of the 22 7 1/2.

lone-wolf
12-10-2013, 02:39 PM
It's pretty awesome there is only one reference to 7 1/2 I can find. The ASSRA forum seems to have a lot of information, I'd post there and see what they say.

Another post about one:
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=474483&highlight=stevens+.22wrf

BCRider
12-21-2013, 01:06 AM
From the Frank DeHaas book on single shot actions the only thing I can see that looks like yours and has the pure falling block action is a Stevens model 44 1/2. Pictures of the action match the parts and opening scheme I'm seeing on your rifle. Nothing else in the whole book comes close.

No reference at all in the chapter on the 44 1/2 about the 22.7 1/2 markings though.

The book says that it was marketed in .22LR only. Which means, of course, that all the shorter versions would fit and fire just fine. But if your rifle will accept a .22WMR which has a fatter casing then it suggests to me that many a black powder round was used early in the life of this rifle and a goodly amount of corrosion took place as a result on it not getting cleaned in a timely manner. Either that or some sadly mis-guided previous owner reamed out the chamber. But of course this means that it's not going to be at it's best with shooting regular .22LR any more. Or possibly the odd 22.7 1/2 is some sort of odd reference to the barrel being chambered in .22WMR?

In any event the condition of the bore and chamber surfaces should suggest if the bore is simply shot out and worn away by corrosion or if the rifle was re-barreled or re-chambered for .22WMR.

Of all the single shot boy's rifles done DeHaas suggests that the 44 1/2 is the one model of the lot which would have been useable with higher pressure loads such as .22Hornet. And because of this the rifle should be safe with shooting .22WMR.

One way or the other that's a great rifle you have. Even if it does have a bad bore it would be worth the cost to have the barrel sleeved.

lone-wolf
12-21-2013, 01:17 AM
Ugh yukon is banned and now I'll never know more details! That sucks.

Smellie
12-31-2013, 03:21 AM
Unlikely that it would be chambered FOR the .22 WMR, as that only came out loooong after this rifle was built.

More likely is the .22 WRF: Winchester Rim Fire. This is an 1890 cartridge, generally copper-cased with an inside-lubricated flatnosed bullet. It was designed for the Winchester 1890 pump rifle. Remington had a very similar cartridge (RN slug) called the .22 Remington Special. The 1890 Winchester developed into the Model 1906 just as soon as they realised that they would sell a lot more rifles if they could use the cheaper shells without having the thing split on firing and blowing gas back in your face. Yes, I have used one.

BOTH had a casing considrbly "fatter" than a regular .22.

When Winchester designed the MAGNUM, they simply lengthened this old casing, made it from brass and loaded it to the gills with a jacketed slug.

This rifle is a typical late-19th-Century Stevens falling-block. They were well-made rifles and quite accurate. This rifle is ancestral to the 44.

Mike K.
01-06-2014, 09:55 PM
If it says 22.71/2 it may be referring to the 22 WRF loaded with 71/2 grains of Black Powder. It wasn't unusual for .25 Rim Fire calibres to be marked 25-10 meaning a .25 calibre bullet and 10 grains of Black Powder and Savage/Stevens may have used that marking in this case.