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Nelson84
01-19-2014, 06:58 PM
Rank them in order. Which one was the best sniper?

Satain
01-19-2014, 10:51 PM
Mauser
Springfield
Ross
Nagant
For me any ways.

Nelson84
01-19-2014, 11:17 PM
Mauser
Springfield
Ross
Nagant
For me any ways.

Wtf? The lee enfield????

Drache
01-20-2014, 05:01 PM
Satain pretty much has it right.

Mauser
Ross
P14
Lee Enfield
Springfield
Nagant

3MTA3
01-20-2014, 05:30 PM
M41

Mosin (PE Scope)
Enfield (no4 T)
P14
Ross
Springfield
Mauser

Satain
01-21-2014, 09:39 AM
Wtf? The lee enfield????
Ooppss...
:red:
Right above the Ross

Claven2
01-21-2014, 11:01 AM
Rank them in order. Which one was the best sniper?

Hate to be a nitpicker, but you need to be a tad more specific. What I mean is:

Mosin 91-30, which variant? PE, PEM or PU?
Lee Enfield, which variant? SMLE with doal occulars, SMLE with scope, or No.4Mk1(T)?
Mauser, which variant? German WW1, German WW2, which mounting arrangement? Do you include other countries' variants?
Ross - only one major sniper variant produced in WW1. Should we compare it to the other WW1 setups, or are you evaluating against WW2 guns with over 30 years of technological advancement over the Ross?
Springfield - which variant? WW1 M1903, WW2 USMC M1903 or WW2 1903A4?

Drache
01-21-2014, 03:11 PM
Ross - only one major sniper variant produced in WW1. Should we compare it to the other WW1 setups, or are you evaluating against WW2 guns with over 30 years of technological advancement over the Ross?

The Ross could handle that evaluation. It was amazingly accurate out to 700 or so yards. It was the top sniper rifle in WWI. Also it had a 5.2x scope where most scopes in WWII were only 3 or 4 power.

Satain
01-21-2014, 09:28 PM
The Ross could handle that evaluation. It was amazingly accurate out to 700 or so yards. It was the top sniper rifle in WWI. Also it had a 5.2x scope where most scopes in WWII were only 3 or 4 power.
I thought some Ross rifles were issued during WW2 to Canadians???

Drache
01-21-2014, 10:13 PM
I thought some Ross rifles were issued during WW2 to Canadians???

I've heard that but I haven't been able to confirm it. CALLING SMELLIE!

Haywire1
01-21-2014, 10:31 PM
All I can find is canadian navy, home guard and lend lease to british home guard for ww2 usage.

Ballsofice
01-21-2014, 10:47 PM
The ross was issued to the Canadian Veterans Guards and as well as a training rifle to some units I have seen footage and pictures of them in use in those roles during WW2

Claven2
01-22-2014, 08:52 PM
I'm not aware that significant enough numbers of Warne & Swasey Ross Snipers remained by WW2. Every Canadian sniper photo I've seen from WW2 showed the No.4Mk1T.

Of the WW2 snipers out there, I'm liking the USMC version of the M1903 8X Unertl sniper.

Drache
01-22-2014, 10:05 PM
http://i.imgur.com/UDd7ZU6.jpg

Smellie
01-23-2014, 03:45 PM
Cap badge looks like "Handschar" Waffen-SS: Albanian.

I have shot with the twin to this scope. Optics are great for the period. 5 power, lots of light, good reticle.

Drache
01-23-2014, 04:54 PM
The picture is supposedly of one Oberstleutnant Heidschmidt.

My scope looks exactly the same but is a late 20s or early 30s variable! Can't wait to get it onto my K98 :D

CZUB
01-25-2014, 02:58 AM
I thought the Ross Rifle was well loved by Canadian snipers as it was the most accurate rifle on the battle field. I have WWII photos with pictures of Canadian snipers still using a Ross Rifle.

Here is a picture of the Canadian Campaign in Italy, WWII, Battle of Ortona, with a Canadian Sniper using a Ross Rifle.

http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s660/MumblesMarbleMouth/Canadian_sniper_in_Ortona_zps4e83c429.jpg (http://s1310.photobucket.com/user/MumblesMarbleMouth/media/Canadian_sniper_in_Ortona_zps4e83c429.jpg.html)

I don't have any experience with any WWI or WWII sniper rifle so I cannot rank them.

Drache
01-25-2014, 03:31 AM
I thought the Ross Rifle was well loved by Canadian snipers as it was the most accurate rifle on the battle field. I have WWII photos with pictures of Canadian snipers still using a Ross Rifle.

Here is a picture of the Canadian Campaign in Italy, WWII, Battle of Ortona, with a Canadian Sniper using a Ross Rifle.

That is a P14 not a Ross. You can tell by the front sight and the front band (part with the bayonet lug). That sniper is named Jack Bailey, Perth Regiment, killed only months after that picture was taken.

ROSS RIFLE:
http://i.imgur.com/IDtd9nk.jpg

P14 RIFLE:
http://i.imgur.com/sosKWnk.jpg

Rifle in question:
http://i.imgur.com/MuvYGJU.jpg

Another picture of Jack Bailey with his rifle:
http://i.imgur.com/4ZDQrxu.jpg

Satain
01-25-2014, 12:40 PM
I stand corrected. What I thought was a Ross was really a P14. Thanx Drache for clarifying that for me ;)

RRCo.
04-07-2014, 09:13 AM
Very common for soldiers in WWII and after to confuse the Ross with the P14. The most obvious features: the barrel extending past the end of the forend and the one piece stock they both had in common. This was in the pre-No4 days up until late 1942 of course.

Considering only the rifle, I would rate the Ross No1. Probably the most accurate and definitely the fastest action, as well as the strongest. A well set up No4 is just as accurate as a well set up Mauser, at least the ones the snipers had. Someone might quote the 6" group at 600yds acceptance standard for the No4(T), but those I have shot were well above that standard. Don't forget the No4 was shot at Bisely out to 1200 yards for decades with excellent results.

So No.4 in second place IMO, with Mauser or Nagant in No3.

Nothing to choose between the last three in accuracy probably, comes down to bolt speed, mag size, balance, ease of handling etc.

Optics is a whole different matter.