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Sir_dude7
01-28-2014, 11:46 AM
Im planing to do some work to a rossi rio grande 410 lever gun, possibly a takedown conversion, defintly reworking and refinishing the wood. Id like to tighten up the inletting on the stocks, thin the wood a bit, it has a chunky feel and maybe put a steel buttplate on it.

At some point in this project im going to need to refinish the receiver. I searched the google high and low and cannot find a picture of a serial number like mine. Its flush with the receiver, not stamped. Some kind of laser/acid etch makes for"soft" white letters and numbers, looks like it could dissapear with some sanding.

I could try to preserve it thru the process but i doubt much of it would remain, at best it would be severly defaced. I could go over it with my crappy princess auto punches, i could relocate it with said punches. I could have the existing number engraved, using the laser etching as a guide.

I belive my purpose is "lawful" as far as the regs go and the last thing i want to do is call the CFC or CFO for permission.

Any recomedations or experiance in this matter?

Ill take lots of photos of the project, im happy to share but im not posting the serial number

bettercallsaul
01-28-2014, 11:56 AM
There is a cool product available in Canada called Etch-o-matic.

http://www.etch-o-matic.com/index.html

I've been thinking about getting the starter kit as I enjoy metal working, and would love the ability to etch and deep etch stuff. Only problem is to make good use of the kit, you need the stencil making kit w/ UV light as well. It get's expensive, especially if you only want to do one rifle.

I'm not sure on the law aspect, maybe someone could enlighten us.

Sir_dude7
01-28-2014, 12:32 PM
Wow, very interesting product, thanks for the link. Im generally interested in all things metal working and i would definitly consider that for another project, could be a good method to re and re my number after the job is done.

This picture just barely shows the serial# on the left side of the receiver
http://www.astroclassic.pl/images/products/big/Sztucer-powtarzalny-Lever-Action-ROSSI-Rio-Grande-kal-45-70-Govt.5536.jpg

In a perfect world my new number would be stamped or engraved when all said and done, little white letters dont look so hot on the side of a lever gun

Satain
01-28-2014, 12:41 PM
I thought that if it's a non-restricted serial #'s do not matter no more since it's not registered???
Can any one point me to a law witch can verify or discredit this for me please?

Strewth
01-28-2014, 02:31 PM
I thought that if it's a non-restricted serial #'s do not matter no more since it's not registered???
Can any one point me to a law witch can verify or discredit this for me please?
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http://yourlaws.ca/criminal-code-canada/108-tampering-serial-number

108. Tampering with serial number


108. (1) Every person commits an offence who, without lawful excuse, the proof of which lies on the person,

(a) alters, defaces or removes a serial number on a firearm; or

(b) possesses a firearm knowing that the serial number on it has been altered, defaced or removed.

Punishment

(2) Every person who commits an offence under subsection (1)

(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years; or

(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Exception

(3) No person is guilty of an offence under paragraph (1)(b) by reason only of possessing a prohibited firearm or restricted firearm the serial number on which has been altered, defaced or removed, if that serial number has been replaced and a registration certificate in respect of the firearm has been issued setting out a new serial number for the firearm.

Evidence

(4) In proceedings for an offence under subsection (1), evidence that a person possesses a firearm the serial number on which has been wholly or partially obliterated otherwise than through normal use over time is, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, proof that the person possesses the firearm knowing that the serial number on it has been altered, defaced or removed.

Re: the bolded, I'm not sure if this helps the OP as you want to refinish the gun, not scuff it up with your driveway.
For new laser etching talk to Motiuk Manufacturing?

Sir_dude7
01-28-2014, 03:16 PM
"wholly or partially obliterated"
If i engrave over the etching, at no point will the number be obliterated, infact it will be more permanent then ever

Strewth
01-28-2014, 03:37 PM
^Oh yes, I don't think anyone would fault you for what you're doing, sounds very reasonable to me. The part I bolded was in reference to if the number was only etched on, and over time or rough use it was removed, they could not charge you with anything under Section 108.

Rory McCanuck
01-28-2014, 04:57 PM
"wholly or partially obliterated"
If i engrave over the etching, at no point will the number be obliterated, infact it will be more permanent then ever
Uh, you realize these are the folks that think a rivet is all that is saving western society from complete anarchy, right?
If they find an opportunity to bend you over the desk, they may take it.
If you apply logic, you are doing a good thing.
Applying logic to Canuckian Gunlawz™ is a quick way to get a nice white jacket in your new padded accommodation. :smash:

Strewth
01-28-2014, 05:34 PM
Uh, you realize these are the folks that think a rivet is all that is saving western society from complete anarchy, right?


This would make a good t-shirt slogan.

bettercallsaul
01-28-2014, 08:48 PM
This would make a good t-shirt slogan.

I'd buy one. It would need a picture of a riveted magazine on the back.

Satain
01-28-2014, 09:04 PM
Thanx Strewth for the info.

Mad Hatter
01-29-2014, 01:28 PM
OOPS:pot:

http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx328/myakey/0598f758-6812-407f-8c09-6a65410d4742_zps2abd5fed.jpg