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coastal
01-30-2014, 10:52 PM
Now that I have one, and ammo is not that cheap....a friend and I are going to go in on some reloading gear. Average cost per round reloading using recycled brass?

This is almost as confusing as Crypto currencies....

coastal
01-30-2014, 11:11 PM
OK, from what I can gander on the internets locally:

Bullets about $.32
Powder about $.23
Primer about $.045

So roughly $.60 each plus tax

or with new brass $1.16 ish.

Sound reasonably accurate?

Edenchef
01-31-2014, 12:30 AM
$1.16 with new brass sounds a little low. New Winchester brass is running about $42 for 50 pieces. Cast your own bullets @ 520 gr gives you about 15/pound of lead. Typical load is about 60 gr of FF Goex.

Cheers!

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Rory McCanuck
01-31-2014, 03:14 AM
OK, from what I can gander on the internets locally:

Bullets about $.32
Powder about $.23
Primer about $.045

So roughly $.60 each plus tax

or with new brass $1.16 ish.

Sound reasonably accurate?

About right, other than the brass. I think you'll find it's closer to $1 apiece, but it will last almost forever.
Bullet Barn has Starline for $75/100, from what I've heard it's pretty good stuff.
Lots o' bullets there, too.

P.S. You won't save any money, but you will get to shoot a whole bunch more ;)

coastal
01-31-2014, 07:52 AM
I based it on a 500 qty where it costs $. 57 each. That would be where I got that from. ;) But if it lasts almost forever, 500 might be excessive.

Redbearded1
01-31-2014, 09:10 AM
I found it to cut the price of store bought ammo in half. I never bought anything in large bulk quantities though. I wanted to find a good load before committing. About a buck a shell was what I had worked out last time I felt like mathing it all out.

BrotherRockeye
01-31-2014, 10:03 AM
last hundred times I loaded 45-70 it didn't cost anything but time since I bought components a long time ago...plenty. I still have virgin WW brass in the old white boxes, a shat load of bullets and plenty of powder an primers.
That money is spent and when I want ammo I build it.
That goes for all the calibers I own.
I have yet to figure out cost for ANY round, it is the least of my concerns, where ammo is concerned.

If price per pull is a factor a fella might as well stick to shootin .22's :p

oh and when Ben isn't lollygagging in the States he casts some of the finest 45-70 bullets around.

coastal
01-31-2014, 10:53 AM
I base it on is it worth the effort, vs going to the store to buy a box. Not the overall cost. :red: I don't have much time for another hobby sort of deal. But if it's roughly half price and I get a custom product, it's worth while to me.

Rory McCanuck
01-31-2014, 01:06 PM
I base it on is it worth the effort
Yes!
If you are somewhat organized, reloading can be done pretty quickly.
The first few runs will take three times as long as you think they should, but once you understand what you are doing and why, and you have figured out what is convenient for you, those ammo boxes fill rather fast.
Less than half price, custom ammo, not being nearly so beholden to the pimply faced stock boy at the sporting goods shop, and the fact that reloading is pretty enjoyable all make it worthwhile.

coastal
01-31-2014, 01:27 PM
I think we ordered an RCBS kit today!

BrotherRockeye
01-31-2014, 01:35 PM
Yes!
If you are somewhat organized, reloading can be done pretty quickly.
The first few runs will take three times as long as you think they should, but once you understand what you are doing and why, and you have figured out what is convenient for you, those ammo boxes fill rather fast.
Less than half price, custom ammo, not being nearly so beholden to the pimply faced stock boy at the sporting goods shop, and the fact that reloading is pretty enjoyable all make it worthwhile.

and when you factor in the difference between walking out to the reloading shop or doing the 2 hour drive to the city to get some it's a simple choice. ; )

good choice coastal!

Rory McCanuck
01-31-2014, 04:13 PM
I think we ordered an RCBS kit today!
Sweet!
What with the rebate, they're a heck of a deal.
Pretty nice stuff, too!

coastal
01-31-2014, 04:24 PM
Should be here Monday.....

;)

M.T. Chambers
02-02-2014, 03:37 PM
I sell lots of diff. bullets for the 45/70, and I believe it makes the 45/70 one of the cheapest cals. to reload, the 45/70 is one cal. that preforms better with cast, then anything jacketed, esp. for very big game. A lot of jacketed bullets for reloading even smaller cals. cost darn near $1 each, some cast designs are under .25 cents to buy. The 45/70 is also very flexible when you reload, weights from 300-555 grains, also shotshells for grouse when moose hunting. The cast bullets can be driven faster then jacketed because of reduced pressure, if unsure, go with a gas check design, and I'd advise against bevel base cast bullets for top end loads. So whether you buy then or make them yourself, cast bullets are the way to go in the 45/70.

coastal
02-02-2014, 03:59 PM
Thanks for that! Where do you sell your bullets?

The shot loads are very interesting to me as well. I think I found a good plan for that with this guy here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWTGBAA_7ig

AdamW
02-16-2014, 12:04 PM
I sell lots of diff. bullets for the 45/70, and I believe it makes the 45/70 one of the cheapest cals. to reload, the 45/70 is one cal. that preforms better with cast, then anything jacketed, esp. for very big game. A lot of jacketed bullets for reloading even smaller cals. cost darn near $1 each, some cast designs are under .25 cents to buy. The 45/70 is also very flexible when you reload, weights from 300-555 grains, also shotshells for grouse when moose hunting. The cast bullets can be driven faster then jacketed because of reduced pressure, if unsure, go with a gas check design, and I'd advise against bevel base cast bullets for top end loads. So whether you buy then or make them yourself, cast bullets are the way to go in the 45/70.

Any load data that works for you with cast? My gun shoots about 6-7 inches at 50 yards with the cast but with the jacketed stuff I shoot 1 big hole. Ive got a marlin guide gun with the 18 inch barrel.

Rory McCanuck
02-16-2014, 01:20 PM
What size are your cast bullets Adam?
Have you slugged your bore to find out how big it is?
Shooting a too small bullet will give those kind of results.
Generally, you want a cast bullet to be about 0.002" larger than bore diameter.

AdamW
02-16-2014, 08:16 PM
The cast is around .456/.457. No I haven't slugged the barrel. I may get to that if i can't get some cast to shoot decently. Sorry for getting this off topic.

BrotherRockeye
02-16-2014, 08:22 PM
cast is generally .458/.459

M.T. Chambers
02-16-2014, 10:16 PM
Yup, I never go any smaller then .459", a narrower bullet that is very hard cast will give accuracy and possibly leading problems....I don't have my info with me but I know that I use heavy charges of RL-7 and my favorites are a 325 gr. very wide flat pt. with Gas Check at around 2100fps. and the 555gr. wide flat point gas check at around 1550fps, all from my Marlin '95 Cowboy gun. In my BP 45/70 I use much softer (20-1) bullets and a full case of 1 1/2fg Swiss BP.

coastal
02-22-2014, 08:53 PM
Had the marlin out today. I'm pretty happy for shooting off a stump in the snow with remington ammo:

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc202/Poopy62/DSC_0604_zps1bce5a32.jpg (http://s212.photobucket.com/user/Poopy62/media/DSC_0604_zps1bce5a32.jpg.html)

Rory McCanuck
02-22-2014, 10:22 PM
Hard to argue with results like that!
Good shooting ;D

CanuckWR
02-22-2014, 11:37 PM
45/70 is a reloaders delight. I load subsonics with 10-15gn of unique with 350gn cast lead all the way up to the MT Chambers 480gn WFNGC over 3031 at 1600fps.

It seems you are doing just fine with your loads already though, what did that load work out to? It looks like a winner!

coastal
02-23-2014, 08:37 AM
45/70 is a reloaders delight. I load subsonics with 10-15gn of unique with 350gn cast lead all the way up to the MT Chambers 480gn WFNGC over 3031 at 1600fps.

It seems you are doing just fine with your loads already though, what did that load work out to? It looks like a winner!

As much as I would like to take credit....that was just a factory remington 405 grain express rifle. Reloading should commence this week. :)

What do you use the subsonics for? Sounds fun!

Rory McCanuck
02-23-2014, 09:10 AM
What do you use the subsonics for? Sounds fun!
Plinking.
It is really nice to shoot a big boomer a lot, cheaply, without the fuss and bother of punishing recoil.
They really are a giggle to shoot.

Even though they are mouse fart level loads, they are still at or above the level of full poop handgun loads, and if push came to shove I wouldn't hesitate to hammer a whitetail with my plinker.

coastal
02-23-2014, 09:13 AM
Plinking.
It is really nice to shoot a big boomer a lot, cheaply, without the fuss and bother of punishing recoil.
They really are a giggle to shoot.

What sort of range can a subsonic propel that fat chunk of lead out to accurately? How loud is it?

Rory McCanuck
02-23-2014, 09:20 AM
I've only shot mine out to about 100 yards, but it'll put 10 rounds in ~3" at dusk using the car roof for a rest and getting eaten alive by mosquitos.
And yes, mouse fart is an apt name. They're pretty quiet.
I actually have used them to introduce a couple of newbies to shooting.
Nothing obnoxious to scare them, just enough recoil to give them some respect for what they are dealing with, and accurate enough that they will get good results if they do their part well.

coastal
02-23-2014, 09:23 AM
Hahah that will be on the list of things to try. ;) 100 yds is good enough for me for a mouse fart.

Rory McCanuck
02-23-2014, 09:26 AM
One other thing about range:
I'm certainly not an expert on the science involved, but because they don't have to deal with going through the violence of going trans-sonic, they tend to be accurate at long ranges.
If you find some clips of "wind" from MarlinOwners shooting his 38-55, prepare to be astounded.
Bang, one Mississippi, twoMississippi, three Mississippi, fou...ting. The bullet and the sound take a while tp go 600 yds and back.

Rory McCanuck
02-23-2014, 09:32 AM
http://youtu.be/gh3Ju89s65o

Rory McCanuck
02-23-2014, 09:39 AM
http://youtu.be/HO6ihrcukcc

coastal
02-23-2014, 09:44 AM
That is super cool. Maybe I'm dreaming, but I'm hoping to make this my do most anything deer and up hunting rifle. I'm trying to avoid falling into the marketing hype of a different caliber for every conceivable situation. :P

coastal
02-23-2014, 09:55 AM
Why does this guy make it looks so easy... is it really that easy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3duhNVjAu6E

Rory McCanuck
02-23-2014, 10:00 AM
Realistically, it is or can be with hand loading, a one size fits all cartridge.
A 500+gr bullet will pretty quickly end any argument in North America, and a light bullet can be loaded fast enough to be reasonably flat shooting for 200 and a bit yards for deer.
Reloading gives you the opportunity and excuse to shoot it a lot, shooting it a lot leads to proficiency.

Since shooting the big bores, I've become a much better shooter.
Every shot has a purppose, and my technique is much better.
If you don't hold it right with a full power load, it hurts!
Pain is a great teacher ;)

Rory McCanuck
02-23-2014, 10:05 AM
Why does this guy make it looks so easy... is it really that easy?

Yep.
We all like to make real complicated to make ourselves sound smart, but it really is that simple.

coastal
02-23-2014, 10:14 AM
Realistically, it is or can be with hand loading, a one size fits all cartridge.
A 500+gr bullet will pretty quickly end any argument in North America, and a light bullet can be loaded fast enough to be reasonably flat shooting for 200 and a bit yards for deer.
Reloading gives you the opportunity and excuse to shoot it a lot, shooting it a lot leads to proficiency.

Since shooting the big bores, I've become a much better shooter.
Every shot has a purppose, and my technique is much better.
If you don't hold it right with a full power load, it hurts!
Pain is a great teacher ;)

Well that's good to hear. I like the thought of mastering one hunting firearm, rather than being decent at half a dozen, same thing with a bow, I bought a recurve with no sights and have learned instinctive shooting, not a pro yet, but I'm getting pretty decent out to 40-50 yards. I'm a sucker for traditional ways of doing some things I guess. :)

So far with factory ammo the recoil is very minimal, maybe the pad works really good? My 308 hits way harder than this rifle.

Coachgun67
02-23-2014, 10:25 AM
That is super cool. Maybe I'm dreaming, but I'm hoping to make this my do most anything deer and up hunting rifle. I'm trying to avoid falling into the marketing hype of a different caliber for every conceivable situation. :P

No,You're not dreaming...I was the same .223,.243,.30-06,.300 Win Mag + .22 rimfire + 12Ga. Now: 45/70,.22 rimfire,12Ga. and I never looked back.The versatility of the 45/70 is unmatched if it comes to loads,speeds and projectiles.

coastal
02-23-2014, 10:39 AM
No,You're not dreaming...I was the same .223,.243,.30-06,.300 Win Mag + .22 rimfire + 12Ga. Now: 45/70,.22 rimfire,12Ga. and I never looked back.The versatility of the 45/70 is unmatched if it comes to loads,speeds and projectiles.

Yay! That's what I like to hear.

Coachgun67
02-23-2014, 11:15 AM
Yay! That's what I like to hear.

And some good advise about reloading came from some members here,and some from the nutz. A good book covering all is:
Forty Years with the .45/70 by Paul A. Matthews (ISBN 978-0-935632-84-2) I learned to like the heavy bullets for following reasons :
-Even with a less than perfect hit,the animal goes down " aftersearch" has never be more than 100yds for me.
-The bullet stays on its path,doesn't get deflected by grass or twigs...the jackeded variants even stay true trough smaller trees.
-sidewind is more a concern of "light" bullets.
All together,what would you wish more from a hunting round? Yaaa...flat shooting,i know...but once you know the arc of your load you're set.
Even tho i have a Marlin 1895,my hunting rig is a H&R Handy with a 4x scope on it,never let me down.

coastal
02-23-2014, 11:23 AM
Thanks for that, I will definitely track that book down. I saw on some website they sent a Leupold scope down to the Leupold custom shop and had a custom 45/70 bullet drop compensation turret built.

right here:

http://www.gunblast.com/Leupold-Custom4570.htm

http://www.gunblast.com/images/Leupold-Custom4570/DSC03141.jpg

http://www.gunblast.com/images/Leupold-Custom4570/DSC03142.jpg

Coachgun67
02-23-2014, 11:34 AM
1800?? 405?? Thats my hunting load...1880 fps with the 20" barrel on my H&R,using Remington 405gr JSP bullets. Guess I should find out how much that setup is (Leupold is good,but always pricey) Thanks for sharing.

coastal
02-23-2014, 11:35 AM
I like that the turret is setup in Yards. So you don't need a calculator or a mathematician along side you to convert MOA :P But I guess a range finder would be good.

Rory McCanuck
02-23-2014, 11:37 AM
I remember reading about someone getting custom turrets from Leupold, and they said it was reasonable.
~$150 IIRC
Pretty good for upgrading to a custom scope.

Coachgun67
02-23-2014, 11:47 AM
Fixed 4 can work as range finder if you know the dimensions of the target. A range finder is useful to find that out,but what I learned in most hunting situations is,that one has to do the shot quick,no time to fumble around with a range finder and then pick up the rifle...unless hunting at the great wide open,where you won't get any closer than 300 yards and then they start to move again. My Handi is sighted in dead on @ 140yd,and usually I try to sneak closer.If you're hunting from a stand or a blind,that's where a rangefinder and forementioned Leupold setup would do best. My motto: keep it simple .

Coachgun67
02-23-2014, 12:23 PM
double post

Coachgun67
02-23-2014, 12:26 PM
I remember reading about someone getting custom turrets from Leupold, and they said it was reasonable.
~$150 IIRC
Pretty good for upgrading to a custom scope.

150? I'd pay that,no problem...I thought it would be more like 1150.

Rory McCanuck
02-23-2014, 01:18 PM
Look for "CDS (Custom Dial System)" down about halfway.
http://www.leupold.com/hunting-shooting/scopes/vx-3-riflescopes/

coastal
02-23-2014, 01:22 PM
That's neat. How does a Canadian go about ordering that? Are scopes allowed to be exported?

Rory McCanuck
02-23-2014, 01:46 PM
Maybe get in touch with Leupold?
All you even really need from them is the turret if you buy the scope up here, but it would sure be easier if they assembled it all and sent it to you.
Looking through them though, it looks like the turrets are only available on the 2x7 and up.
A shame, because that 1.25x4 is about perfect, in my opinion.

coastal
02-23-2014, 07:32 PM
Now onto bullets!

Do you guys think there is much of a difference in accuracy or penetration of all the different brands? I've read some guys just use cast lead for hunting, other guys buy the best possible bullets, there are so many options. I like the idea of a big heavy 405gr that should kill anything, rather than a different bullet for different things. Perhaps I'm trying to simplify the reloading process too much?

Now that I've played with the rifle with 405gr and some Lever Evolution 325gr, I just looked at my stash and see I bought Hornady Interlock 350gr RN. Did I fudge up?

coastal
02-23-2014, 07:36 PM
I just saw this on the hornady site:

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc202/Poopy62/bison_zps31ef928e.jpg (http://s212.photobucket.com/user/Poopy62/media/bison_zps31ef928e.jpg.html)

http://www.hornady.com/team-hornady/scrapbook/utah-bison-hunt-jack-c-rookhuyzen


What doesn't show in the picture is the wind. 34 and it's gusting above 35 mph, right after this picture was taken it started to hail like bullets!
I65 yds, 350 gr RN Hornady with 37.5 gr IMR-4198. It was like bouncing B-B's off of a Volkswagen. The guide had told me before hand that it took a lot
of lead to bring one down, but I was a little upset with myself that it took five. 2 in the shoulder and three in the lungs. The second shot broke the opposite leg, so it couldn't run. What bothered me the most was that it could just stand there and take the rest of them. The guide said to keep shooting until it drops. Later I found out I was shooting a little high and a little too far forward. The size is very deceiving.


Using the identical bullet.

M.T. Chambers
02-24-2014, 10:30 PM
The turret thing wouldn't work for me as I change loads more then my underwear, about 40 different bullets, at all different speeds.......I've learned that big buffs. don't fall fast from lung shots, regardless of the gun......with a big gun and big bullets like the 45/70 I go for shoulder shots. The bullet/s that I prefer for Bison is 550 grainers for smokeless or BP, cast med. hard for smokeless and 20-1 for BP.......Ben

coastal
02-28-2014, 03:53 PM
Did it! First 20 off the press!

It is very empowering, I never expected that feeling when getting into this!

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc202/Poopy62/IMG_20140228_133443_zps894e2c5d.jpg (http://s212.photobucket.com/user/Poopy62/media/IMG_20140228_133443_zps894e2c5d.jpg.html)

Rory McCanuck
02-28-2014, 04:22 PM
WooHoo!
What load/loads?
You are loading for a levergun aren't you? If so, you'll want to crimp them or load singly.

Dropping the hammer on the first one is a pretty special feeling ;D

coastal
02-28-2014, 05:08 PM
These ones are 350gr hornady interlocks, with 55gr of 4850.

Yes they are for a lever, can you explain why? Is it so the bullets don't seat further or something along those lines?

Thanks!

Rory McCanuck
02-28-2014, 05:21 PM
Yes, bullets stacked up nose to tail in a tube mag can push bullets into the case from recoil.
It doesn't take much of a crimp, just push the case mouth in a bit so that it acts like a barb on the cannelure (crimp groove).


350gr hornady interlocks, with 55gr of 4850
Not to get al nit-picky, but reloading is a kinda nit-picky business.
IMR 4895? H 4895?
IMR 4350? H 4350? (probably too slow to be much use for the 45-70).
Not to harp, but it does make a difference.

coastal
02-28-2014, 05:27 PM
Ha sorry H 4895

I see the LEE set comes with a crimping die, so 4 in total.

My RCBS only has 3....Now I need to learn more! lol

coastal
02-28-2014, 05:33 PM
Hold the phones, the bullet seating die crimps as well. Just need to figure it out. ;)

Rory McCanuck
02-28-2014, 05:35 PM
Your seating die should be capable of crimping.
Back the seater stem out several turns, put brass in shellholder and raise the ram all the way.
Screw the die in untily you feel the die hit the casemouth.
Lower the ram, turn the die down ...1/4 turn and see what it does to the case mouth.
Adjust up or down according to what you feel is appropriate.

ETA:
Slow typer here ;)

coastal
02-28-2014, 05:42 PM
Your instructions are much easier to follow than the die instructions!

Rory McCanuck
02-28-2014, 05:46 PM
Lol you should hear me describe how to assemble IKEA furniture ;D

M.T. Chambers
03-01-2014, 12:53 AM
Hell's bells, crimp dem shells!!

BrotherRockeye
03-01-2014, 07:19 AM
Lol you should hear me describe how to assemble IKEA furniture ;D

I think that deserves a thread of it's own! :p

coastal
03-02-2014, 03:25 PM
Hahah.


Ok I crimped those suckers, lost about .003" of OAL. Next time I will seat the bullet about .003" higher?

Rory McCanuck
03-02-2014, 04:14 PM
Did you back your seater stem off a whole bunch before screwing the die down?
If they are all consistently 0.003" shorter, and still cycle, then no problem.
Even with 50 something grains of powder in there, I imagine there is still a good bit of air space in that huge case; it isn't going to raise the pressure measurably.

Something I neglected to add earlier :red: with crimping, less is more.
You don't want to overdo it and bulge the case.
Any pics?

coastal
03-02-2014, 04:48 PM
Yes I backed it out a lot so it didn't push on the bullet. I will grab a pic. ;)

coastal
03-02-2014, 07:17 PM
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc202/Poopy62/DSC_0613_zpsd141cc4c.jpg (http://s212.photobucket.com/user/Poopy62/media/DSC_0613_zpsd141cc4c.jpg.html)

Hope I did it right!

Rory McCanuck
03-02-2014, 08:04 PM
Looks great!
Did you experiment at all, more and less crimp?

BrotherRockeye
03-02-2014, 08:04 PM
that's a crimp all right!!!

coastal
03-02-2014, 08:08 PM
Yay! I did try more crimp but didn't like how much it was squeezing the bullet down, so I arrived at that amount! Highly scientific. Lol

BrotherRockeye
03-02-2014, 10:25 PM
Highly scientific. Lol

lmao ;D

Rory McCanuck
03-02-2014, 10:53 PM
Hahah.


Ok I crimped those suckers, lost about .003" of OAL. Next time I will seat the bullet about .003" higher?

Had a thought while out walking the dog.
As you are crimping, you are folding the brass in. The taper formed (I think) is catching the back edge of the cannelure, and forcing the bullet deeper, same as launching a watermelon seed by sqeezing it with your fingers.
It isn't a big deal, let's see if you can prevent it/ prove the hypothesis.
Seat the next batch 5-8 thou deeper,, and see if they get shorter when you crimp.


didn't like how much it was squeezing the bullet down
You don't really want to be squeezing the bullet down, more providing a "barb" to catch the edge of the cannelure to prevent the bullet setting back. The neck tension is what really holds the bullet tight, not the crimp.
Get the inside lip of the brass touching the inside surface of the crimp groove, and just a "titch."
Any more, and you're just deforming the bullet, and when the brass springs back, it will actually have less tension holding the bullet.
My thinking on the matter, anyways.

coastal
03-02-2014, 11:23 PM
Got it, I have a bit of brass left, I will give that a go. ;)

tigrr
03-03-2014, 12:54 AM
This opens up a whole new world of 45/70 shooting. scroll down to the 45/70 lots of powders to choose from, using cast bullets.
http://www.gmdr.com/lever/lowveldata.htm
I have 5 molds in 45/70 350 gr to 500 gr and it is fun lobbing them at targets out to 500 yards. They leave the barrel at 1200 feet per second and arrive at the 500 yd target still doing over 800 fps. I have lobbed 100's of them out to 1000 yards but only ever confirmed 3 hits.
cheap fun shooting at 30 cents a pop using black powder and 5 cents a pop using shotgun 700X powder.(7000gr divided by 13gr=538 loads. $21 divided by 538= 3.9 cents a round + primer = 5 cent a round. giggle every time I lobb a 500 grain bullet at my Buffalo target 1000 yards away. priceless

coastal
03-03-2014, 09:13 AM
Oh cool! Cheap shooting out of this thing makes my day!

Thanks for the link.

coastal
03-07-2014, 04:43 PM
Tried these things out today....well it turned the rifle into a shoulder killer! Holy crap, I fired 10 at the range and had enough. lol I have a bad shoulder injury to start with, and these suckers punished me. hahah Sure sounded cool!

Rory McCanuck
03-07-2014, 05:59 PM
http://i.imgur.com/s3AoP.gif
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We had a camera on you for your reaction after the first shot.
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http://i.imgur.com/kQWV2.gif

coastal
03-07-2014, 06:38 PM
It was more like this when I was encouraged to take the 11th shot:


http://replygif.net/i/447.gif

Rory McCanuck
03-07-2014, 06:46 PM
LOL
Now you understand why we like the plinking loads ;)

coastal
03-07-2014, 06:47 PM
Uhhhhh ya! I get it!

lol

coastal
03-21-2014, 01:58 PM
Ok tried 3 loads today...this is getting fun! Shot 2 groups of 3 of each load, all with the same 350gn Hornady bullet. Recoil was MUCH better than my first attempt. The last 2 loads I wanted to see differences in both powders set at 1500 fps.

First up 42 gn of Reloder 7

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc202/Poopy62/DSC_0667_zpse3fd0101.jpg (http://s212.photobucket.com/user/Poopy62/media/DSC_0667_zpse3fd0101.jpg.html)

43gn of Reloder 7 tightened it up a bit:

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc202/Poopy62/DSC_0668_zpsafc45869.jpg (http://s212.photobucket.com/user/Poopy62/media/DSC_0668_zpsafc45869.jpg.html)

And finally 50.5gn of H4895

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And one of my daughter shooting the machine assault rifle of doom.

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BrotherRockeye
03-21-2014, 02:59 PM
I always got great accuracy out of 3031 in my rolling block and Buffalo Special.
50gr under a 405gr BenBuiltBoolit :p

M.T. Chambers
03-21-2014, 03:00 PM
One word for light cast loads...."Trail Boss"

Rory McCanuck
03-21-2014, 05:07 PM
HeHee Looks like a great day!
Some good shooting, too.
I had notions of putting on the snowshoes and beating a path in to the "range" today once I got back from the vampire's, but the whole -15 and 25mph wind convinced me otherwise.

That Reloder7 is magical pixie dust in the 444, seems to do alright in your 45-70 too.
Maybe 42.5, 43.0 and 43.5 for the next round? You seem to be right near the junction of an accuracy node and your shoulder- friendly 1500fps or a touch above goal.

I've also had good luck with 4895 but the IMR variety. Nowhere near full speed, but soft shooting and silly accurate.

Good on ya getting your daughter out for some daddy-daughter range time. She looks like an old pro ;D