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lone-wolf
02-15-2014, 08:00 PM
Good reading...

http://www.thebangswitch.com/budget-red-dot-sight-comparison-part-1/
http://www.thebangswitch.com/budget-red-dot-sight-comparison-part-2/
Part 3 is coming soon!

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coastal
02-15-2014, 08:16 PM
Good article for sure. Now has anyone tried the bushnell and can back the claims of the article?

lone-wolf
02-15-2014, 08:23 PM
I believe Satain is a big pro trs-25 guy

Strewth
02-15-2014, 08:38 PM
I believe Satain is a big pro trs-25 guy

So is Strewth. I threw one on my 870, couldn't kill it. Only con to the TS-25 for me is the lack of waterproofness. I would not depend on it if te zombies attack, but other than that, I really like them. And the price has come down a bunch; I believe Mlehto had something to do with this?

lone-wolf
02-15-2014, 08:49 PM
While the TRS won by points, the Primary Arms MD-06L was chosen by the users as the winner.

bettercallsaul
02-15-2014, 08:59 PM
Cool article.

Should help me choose something should I decide on the Sub 2000.

Does the TRS-25 have a plastic or metal body?

Strewth
02-15-2014, 09:56 PM
While the TRS won by points, the Primary Arms MD-06L was chosen by the users as the winner.

Is that because the MD-06 is a knock off of the Aimpoint Micro? Not a bad sight to copy by any means, but...


Cool article.

Should help me choose something should I decide on the Sub 2000.

Does the TRS-25 have a plastic or metal body?

Aluminum.

lone-wolf
02-15-2014, 10:25 PM
Is that because the MD-06 is a knock off of the Aimpoint Micro? Not a bad sight to copy by any means, but...

But the company doesn't seem to do business with canucks?
I'd rather a bushnell as Primary Arms just sounds like a cheap brand.

Strewth
02-16-2014, 02:09 AM
^Yah, it appears the company has tabled it's international shipping for now, apparently too much ITAR BS to wade through?

webster
02-16-2014, 11:35 AM
Nutnfancy is a big proponent of the TRS-25 as well. Whatever your opinion of the guy, he knows how to test his gear and I trust his judgement.

VancouverSkiBum
02-16-2014, 05:25 PM
I have 2 trs now. One on my sks and one on my mossberg 500. Had an issue with my first one and returned it for a replacement. No other problems so far with around 400 rounds in the sks and about 100 through the shotty. I dont know if it was just the display model i got, but i had to almost max the elevation to get a zero with the shotgun. For around 100$ you cant go wrong with this.

bettercallsaul
02-16-2014, 07:33 PM
Nutnfancy is a big proponent of the TRS-25 as well. Whatever your opinion of the guy, he knows how to test his gear and I trust his judgement.

I'm a big fan of nutn, I trust his judgment because he's one of few gear reviewers who goes on his own experience, not hype. He also has the credentials as an outdoors man, a product tester & military (even though he was chair force). I particularly like his Winter Camping/Backpacking series of videos.

Didn't know he reviewed the TRS-25, so I'll watch it now.

Satain
02-16-2014, 08:02 PM
Yep TRS-25 is as close as it will get to the aimpoint with out the price tag and all the nice stuff that comes along with it ;)

mlehto
02-16-2014, 09:12 PM
Gotta agree on the TRS-25...

Great bang for the buck. Really you can't go wrong at the price point.

lone-wolf
02-16-2014, 09:21 PM
What's the adjustment on the TRS? .5moa per click?

Strewth
02-16-2014, 09:38 PM
Pretty sure 0.5moa, it's been a while since I touched mine.

harbl_the_cat
02-16-2014, 10:09 PM
One of my T97s has a TRS25, the other has a sparc.

Today was my first time taking the sparc out, but it seems like a mini strikefire. The windage and elevation cover retaining cables seem neat, but I don't care much for the non-standard battery. CR2032 seem like the most prevalent button sell batteries around.

Jury's still out, I didn't fall in love with the sparc the way I thought I would, but the trs25 seems to get the job done. I need to run a few hundred more through the sparc to make an informed critique.

lone-wolf
02-16-2014, 10:13 PM
I'm curious if the 1moa adjustment of the sparc is a disadvantage to the trs's .5moa adjustment, or if it even factors in at all.

Strewth
02-16-2014, 10:50 PM
Depends on your intended purpose, I guess? I was shooting @300m with a 3x magnifier on my Aimpoint with a 2MOA dot and scoring consistent hits on a...12"? gong, not sure if I could do that with the larger dot of a TRS25...and then if I added the coarser adjustments of a Sparc, it would mathematically be worse...but RDS were never intended for bughole groups.
The most fun I've had with my TRS-25 was on my 10-22, aiming four feet high at 200 yards, both eyes open, and watching the "ping!" off a propane bottle. Made me giggle every time:).
One thing to consider(I think Satain brought this up) is the size of the glass on the "micro" dots if you've got it co-witnessed with irons. If the goblins attack me at the range, and my TRS-25 goes down, when I tactically transition to my BUIS, I'm now peering through a small tunnel; if my Aimpoint PRO dies, I've got a bigger circle to look through for the front sight, and watch for their beady eyes. If I had BUIS on my AR. For the goblin attacks after the EMP.

shadowwarrior
05-01-2014, 09:11 AM
I picked up a trs-32 yesterday will be test driving it next wed. when I'm done this 6 day tour at work. Hoping it as good or better than the trs-25, will post results.

Swampdonkey
07-29-2014, 10:26 PM
Great reviews, thanks for posting.

Kane63
10-10-2014, 07:52 AM
I've been on the fence about a red dot for a while and I have been looking at the TRS-25 again but I just came across this article about a 2MOA primary arms red dot. Battery life is very appealing. Anyone used/seen one of these?

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/10/08/poor-mans-aimpoint-primary-arms-md-ads-50000-hours/

Foxer
10-10-2014, 08:30 AM
I've been on the fence about a red dot for a while and I have been looking at the TRS-25 again but I just came across this article about a 2MOA primary arms red dot. Battery life is very appealing. Anyone used/seen one of these?

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/10/08/poor-mans-aimpoint-primary-arms-md-ads-50000-hours/
Impressive stats, but can we even get them here?

My bushnells have done very well for me, tho in truth i've never pushed them hard. but I'd sure like a 50,000 hour runtime :)

Kane63
10-10-2014, 08:40 AM
Impressive stats, but can we even get them here?

My bushnells have done very well for me, tho in truth i've never pushed them hard. but I'd sure like a 50,000 hour runtime :)

I haven't had much luck finding anyone selling them but they are apparently sold out all over the US so that doesn't help. Guess a lot of people can't afford an aimpoint either.

Battery life and 2 MOA caught my attention ;D

EDIT: Found another one with eerily similar specs, not sure if anyone has tested it though.

http://www.holosun.ca/index.php/products/hs403a

kennymo
10-10-2014, 08:45 AM
Yep TRS-25 is as close as it will get to the aimpoint with out the price tag and all the nice stuff that comes along with it ;)

Agreed. Best of the budget dots that I've experienced, for $120 ish you can't go wrong.

Foxer
10-10-2014, 09:08 AM
I haven't had much luck finding anyone selling them but they are apparently sold out all over the US so that doesn't help. Guess a lot of people can't afford an aimpoint either.

Battery life and 2 MOA caught my attention ;D

EDIT: Found another one with eerily similar specs, not sure if anyone has tested it though.

http://www.holosun.ca/index.php/products/hs403a

damn dude - we might just have to get a couple of those to play with :) If they're as good in real life as they are on paper, that's exciting.

Kane63
10-10-2014, 09:15 AM
After a bit more research it looks like Holosun came out with theirs first, and was developed with the help of Primary Arms (they are OEM partners). So the Primary Arms version it seems is like a v2. I have seen some people complain that the holosun has to be taken off to remove the battery but with a lifespan of 50,000 hours, that's continuously powered on for almost 6 years. I'm fine with that ;D

Foxer
10-10-2014, 10:02 AM
After a bit more research it looks like Holosun came out with theirs first, and was developed with the help of Primary Arms (they are OEM partners). So the Primary Arms version it seems is like a v2. I have seen some people complain that the holosun has to be taken off to remove the battery but with a lifespan of 50,000 hours, that's continuously powered on for almost 6 years. I'm fine with that ;D

Well that's what I was thinking - 5 plus years of battery if left on - and it auto shuts off after 8. It starts up on movement so there's no point in leaving it on. So - even if it were in use 12 hours a day that's a new battery every 10 years or so :) I can sight the gun back in once every 10 years if I have to.

Petamocto
10-10-2014, 10:17 AM
I have the Bushnell, and I am very happy with it. It was on my Remington 597 22LR for a year, then moved it to my AR when I got one. They're definitely right about it needing a riser, but overall it's great for just over $100. Don't expect to be precise at anything past 100m, though, but that's SOP for any 1x red dot.

I've just bought an ACOG for my AR, so this is going back on the 22LR, which I think is a perfect fit.

Petamocto
10-10-2014, 03:40 PM
You can see here how low it sits on an AR all by itself, you basically have to smash your face down to see the dot. It wasn't like this on the 597. Take-away point: Riser mandatory on AR.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h143/SeanNewman/Scope_zps021c1147.jpg

kennymo
10-10-2014, 04:07 PM
Excellent fit on the 597!
http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w534/kennymo81/Mobile%20Uploads/920D58D1-E5F4-4534-B1BB-047D6B0F71FA_zps8dohie4v.jpg (http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/kennymo81/media/Mobile%20Uploads/920D58D1-E5F4-4534-B1BB-047D6B0F71FA_zps8dohie4v.jpg.html)

lone-wolf
10-10-2014, 04:30 PM
I've been on the fence about a red dot for a while and I have been looking at the TRS-25 again but I just came across this article about a 2MOA primary arms red dot. Battery life is very appealing. Anyone used/seen one of these?

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/10/08/poor-mans-aimpoint-primary-arms-md-ads-50000-hours/

I thought PA sights sounded good, but I've yet to see for sale in canada

Petamocto
10-10-2014, 04:41 PM
And of course the obligatory hot woman (my wife) using the product:

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h143/SeanNewman/unnamed_zpsc59912c4.jpg

Sunshine
09-21-2015, 01:21 PM
I have four TRS-25's, they are compact and do the job

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/t31.0-8/12015017_1503657343284998_7684320638670706600_o.jp g


This is my wife..

http://toolsofrenewal.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/ivanka-not-the-gun.jpg :)

Jonesyatpl
08-28-2016, 04:25 PM
That will make you the "First-son in law" one day:)

I have a trs-25 now. But Torn between the PA and Holosun to try next.