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Steveo9mm
02-28-2014, 04:35 PM
Just found this on another forum, please tell me this is a joke....




FRT # 142362

I cannot cut and paste from the computer I am on.

All the CZ 858s with a proof stamp of 2007 or newer have been moved to prohibited as of this afternoon.

The RCMP is going all in on this.

Diazjoaquin
02-28-2014, 04:47 PM
NFA posted it on facebook too. What the fuck is going on? Martial law coming or what?


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Steveo9mm
02-28-2014, 04:48 PM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=586777211390379&set=a.3473360920011%2060.74391.347295135338589&type=1&theater

Strewth
02-28-2014, 04:52 PM
"Details are sketchy and unconfirmed, stay tuned"

Wow, if the RCMP ever wanted to motivate solidarity in firearms owners in Canada, this one will do it.

Trucker
02-28-2014, 04:52 PM
Major news outlets are finally starting to report on the Russian/Ukraine news

RobSmith
02-28-2014, 04:58 PM
Almost sounds like the RCMP has decided to make their big push.

Camo tung
02-28-2014, 05:02 PM
Almost sounds like the RCMP has decided to make their big push.

Round two of the letter writing. Grrrr.......

Camo tung
02-28-2014, 05:04 PM
Wonder if they're going through that list and clearing house (the heavily edited list from the other thread with the AR's, SR 10/22 etc mentioned) before they get told to stand down?

Diazjoaquin
02-28-2014, 05:08 PM
What about the CSA VZ58? Does it fall under the same category?


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Steveo9mm
02-28-2014, 05:09 PM
What about the CSA VZ58? Does it fall under the same category?


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all i can find is this


Non-restricted/Restricted... FRT 146385

- "CZ858 TACTICAL-2 P" is marked on the left side of the receiver/frame.
- "P" denotes a factory installed composition wood buttstock.
- "CZ858 Tactical-2 P" with a proof date of 2005 or 2006 is a semi-automatic version of the "VZ58".
- "CZ858 Tactical-2 P" semi-automatic version has the following characteristics:
1) a narrow, machined window on the left side of the sight block with a modern CZ proof mark and a proof date of 2005 or 2006 (see image # 3), OR
2) original CZ factory marks ("she") on the left side of the sight block along with a modern CZ proof mark and a proof date of 2005 or 2006 (see image # 7).
- NOTE: Any "CZ858 Tactical-2 P" firearm with a large machined window on the left side of the sight block and a proof date of 2007 or later is derived from the full automatic CZ VZ58 firearm which has been altered to discharge one projectile with one pressure of the trigger. The original markings have been altered or obliterated and the firearm has been remarked.
- "CZ858 Tactical-2" family of firearms externally resemble the Kalashnikov model AK47 assault rifle; however, these firearms are not a member of the Kalashnikov family of firearms nor a Kalashnikov variant.
- "VZ58" or "Puska VZ 58" (Rifle Model 1958) was developed in Czechoslovakia for use by the Czech army.
- features include: hooded front sight and tangent rear sight; round, rifled barrel; short stroke gas piston is mounted above the barrel; flat sided machine steel receiver/frame with a sheet metal dust cover; tilting block locking system; striker fired; cocking handle is mounted on the right side of the breech block; detachable box magazine release lever is mounted behind the magazine well; safety/selector lever is mounted on the right side of the receiver/frame; composition wood or synthetic forearm, hand guard, pistol grip, and fixed buttstock; blued metal finish.
- "CZ858 Tactical-2 P" has a barrel length of 483mm, and a fixed buttstock.


MY NOTE, THE TACTICAL-2 2005/2006 are also Non-restricted or Restricted.


Newly Prohibited... FRT142363

- "CZ858 TACTICAL- 2 V" is marked on the left side of the receiver/frame.
- "V" denotes a factory installed folding metal buttstock, the stock folds to the right.
- "CZ858 Tactical-2 V" firearm is derived from a full automatic firearm, the CZ VZ58, which has been altered to discharge one projectile with one pressure of the trigger and has had the original markings altered or obliterated and has been remarked as a "CZ858 Tactical-2 V" firearm.
- "CZ858 Tactical-2 V" firearm with a large machined window on the left side of the sight block and a proof date of 2007 or later is derived from the full automatic CZ VZ58 firearm which has been altered to discharge one projectile with one pressure of the trigger. The original markings have been altered or obliterated and the firearm has been remarked.
- NOTE: There are semi-automatic versions of the CZ858 Tactical-2 V. This semi-automatic version has the following characteristics:
1) a narrow, machined window on the left side of the sight block with a modern CZ proof mark and a proof date of 2005 or 2006, or
2) original CZ factory marks ("she") on the left side of the sight block along with a modern CZ proof mark and a proof date of 2005 or 2006.
- "CZ858 Tactical-2 V" proofed 2007 or later can be converted to a full automatic firearm in a relatively short period of time with relative ease.
- "CZ858 Tactical-2" family of firearms externally resemble the Kalashnikov model AK47 assault rifle; however, these firearms are not a member of the Kalashnikov family of firearms nor a Kalashnikov variant.
- "CZ858 Tactical-2 V" is a variant or modified version of the CZ VZ58 or "Puska VZ 58" (Rifle Model 1958) developed in Czechoslovakia for use by the Czech army.
- features include: hooded front sight and tangent rear sight; round, rifled barrel; short stroke gas piston is mounted above the barrel; flat sided machine steel receiver/frame with a sheet metal dust cover; tilting block locking system; striker fired; cocking handle is mounted on the right side of the breech block; detachable box magazine release lever is mounted behind the magazine well; safety/selector lever is mounted on the right side of the receiver/frame; composite wood or synthetic forearm, hand guard, and pistol grip; right side folding metal buttstock; sling swivels; blued metal finish.
- "CZ858 Tactical-2" is available in numerous variations: a solid non-folding buttstock, and a folding buttstock with several differing barrel lengths.
- "CZ858 Tactical-2 V" has a barrel length of 483mm and a side folding buttstock.



Also Non-Restricted/Restricted FRT128405

- "CZ858 TACTICAL-4 V" is marked on the left side of the receiver/frame.
- "V" denotes a factory installed metal folding buttstock - stock folds to the right.
- "CZ858 Tactical-4 V" externally resembles the Kalishnikov model AK47 assault rifle, but is not a member of the Kalishnikov family of firearms.
- "CZ858 Tactical-4 V", with a proof date of 2005 or 2006 is a semi-automatic version of the "VZ58". This semi-automatic version has the following characteristics:
1) a narrow, machined window on the left side of the sight block with a modern CZ proof mark and a proof date of 2005 or 2006, or
2) original CZ factory marks ("she") on the left side of the sight block along with a modern CZ proof mark and a proof date of 2005 or 2006.
- NOTE: Any "CZ858 Tactical-4 V" firearm with a large machined window on the left side of the sight block and a proof date of 2007 or later is derived from the full automatic CZ VZ58 firearm which has been altered to discharge one projectile with one pressure of the trigger. The original markings have been altered or obliterated and the firearm has been remarked.
- "Puska VZ 58" (Rifle Model 1958) was developed in Czechoslovakia for use by the army.
- features include: hooded front sight and tangent rear sight; round, rifled barrel; short stroke gas piston is mounted above the barrel; flat sided machine steel receiver/frame with a sheet metal dust cover; tilting block locking system; striker fired; cocking handle is mounted on the right side of the breech block; detachable box magazine release lever is mounted behind the magazine well; safety lever is mounted on the right side of the receiver/frame; composite wood or synthetic forearm, hand guard, and pistol grip; right side folding metal buttstock; sling swivels; blued metal finish.
- overall length with a 394mm barrel and the folding stock (folded) is 611mm.

Steveo9mm
02-28-2014, 05:13 PM
The Newly Prohibited i marked in red because i dont know if those are the ones they are mentioning. again i found this on the net, its not my work.

RobSmith
02-28-2014, 05:33 PM
This is now confirmed ... Fresh from the NFA's facebook page:

https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t31/1622417_586791598055607_459233666_o.jpg
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A corrupted individual
02-28-2014, 05:35 PM
May God help us all...

Diazjoaquin
02-28-2014, 05:37 PM
Why does it say under importer " wolverine" ? Only sold by them will be banned?


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Steveo9mm
02-28-2014, 05:38 PM
F%$K S&^T GRRRRRRRR im going to go bash my head into a wall now.... ill brb

Diazjoaquin
02-28-2014, 05:39 PM
F%$K S&^T GRRRRRRRR im going to go bash my head into a wall now.... ill brb

Oh man. Its time to start donating to NFA


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Waynetheman
02-28-2014, 05:42 PM
Why does it say under importer " wolverine" ? Only sold by them will be banned?


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I think because they were first/biggest importer. There's rumors that the brs99
gun is up next.

Steveo9mm
02-28-2014, 05:44 PM
Oh I can tell you now, I sense a disturbance in the force and i dont think this is over yet... by next weekend who knows what will have been banned.

bettercallsaul
02-28-2014, 05:50 PM
If Harper let's this stand, I will never support him again. I don't care if Justin Trudeau gets in power.

If Harper can't stop this, we're screwed no matter what.

Rory McCanuck
02-28-2014, 05:51 PM
Oh I can tell you now, I sense a disturbance in the force and i dont think this is over yet... by next weekend who knows what will have been banned.
The ArrrCMP?

blacksmithden
02-28-2014, 06:01 PM
If Harper let's this stand, I will never support him again. I don't care if Justin Trudeau gets in power.

If Harper can't stop this, we're screwed no matter what.

Agreed. At least I'll be able to choke out the sorrow of losing my guns in a big cloud of legal pot smoke. I should rephrase that....the sorrow of no longer being able to freely take my guns to the range....because I'll be damned if I'll be complying with this nonsense. I can only hope my fellow gun owners are planning the same civil disobedience.

Steveo9mm
02-28-2014, 06:08 PM
my head hurts

Trucker
02-28-2014, 06:11 PM
I have a prohibited one sitting right beside me.... and im livid. Just sunk a crap load of money in it and havnt even shot it yet. I woke up this afternoon to find out the gun i spent all my savings on just went to the incinerator.

Does it feel or seem more dangerous then it did 24hrs ago?

Diazjoaquin
02-28-2014, 06:14 PM
I have a prohibited one sitting right beside me.... and im livid. Just sunk a crap load of money in it and havnt even shot it yet. I woke up this afternoon to find out the gun i spent all my savings on just went to the incinerator.

Same boat here. I feel your pain.


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Steveo9mm
02-28-2014, 06:16 PM
Does it feel or seem more dangerous then it did 24hrs ago?

it doesnt seem more dangerous than 2 hours ago before i found out....

Diazjoaquin
02-28-2014, 06:16 PM
Made by Ceska Zbrojovka is the manufacturer (CZ) that is been banned, thats that mean that CZECH SMALL ARMS Is Ok?


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Trucker
02-28-2014, 06:17 PM
it doesnt seem more dangerous than 2 hours ago before i found out....

Crazy.... The RCMP seems to disagree. I wonder when the 10/22 will become Prohibited.

Camo tung
02-28-2014, 06:23 PM
They certainly seem to be clearing guns off this list;

http://static.globalnews.ca/content/interactives/documents/general_news_bucket/A-2012-00068.PDF

Steveo9mm
02-28-2014, 06:29 PM
They certainly seem to be clearing guns off this list;

http://static.globalnews.ca/content/interactives/documents/general_news_bucket/A-2012-00068.PDF

ya and i was thinking about an AR... guess thats not going to happen

Trucker
02-28-2014, 06:31 PM
They certainly seem to be clearing guns off this list;

http://static.globalnews.ca/content/interactives/documents/general_news_bucket/A-2012-00068.PDF

Why do they say the Bull pup style stock is a prohibited device?

Strewth
02-28-2014, 06:36 PM
Why do they say the Bull pup style stock is a prohibited device?

If you start a thread on this, you'll get all sorts of sarcastic comments, at least one from me:). The answer is: Because reasons.
The best we can figure it could be bullpup stocks make a firearm more concealable. There's nothing like holding up a 7-11 in your trenchcoat with a bullpup SKS or M-14.

coastal
02-28-2014, 06:38 PM
If Harper let's this stand, I will never support him again. I don't care if Justin Trudeau gets in power.

If Harper can't stop this, we're screwed no matter what.

Might be time for 7 million firearms owners to vote Libertarian.

Trucker
02-28-2014, 06:39 PM
If you start a thread on this, you'll get all sorts of sarcastic comments, at least one from me:). The answer is: Because reasons.
The best we can figure it could be bullpup stocks make a firearm more concealable. There's nothing like holding up a 7-11 in your trenchcoat with a bullpup SKS or M-14.

I understand that but they still continue to classify rifles with Bull Pup style stocks legal. The Incompetence in the firearms labs is mind boggling

blacksmithden
02-28-2014, 06:39 PM
I have a prohibited one sitting right beside me.... and im livid. Just sunk a crap load of money in it and havnt even shot it yet. I woke up this afternoon to find out the gun i spent all my savings on just went to the incinerator.

Why ? You're not actually thinking of turning it in are you ? I know at least one person who will make it go away if you really think is HAS to disappear. Hell...I think I could probably come up with 1.5 to 2 million names if you'd like.

harbl_the_cat
02-28-2014, 06:40 PM
So is anyone still angry at TSE or will anyone FINALLY accept that the RCMP and the Federal Government has gone full retard?

RobSmith
02-28-2014, 06:40 PM
If I was ordered to turn one in, I'd go dump it in the deepest lake I can find, they can go fishing for it.

Strewth
02-28-2014, 06:43 PM
I understand that but they still continue to classify rifles with Bull Pup style stocks legal. The Incompetence in the firearms labs is mind boggling

One more, and then you should really start a separate thread:).
They're prohibiting aftermarket stocks; If you cannot fire the firearm with the stock off, it's OK. The Tavor, the T-97, etc. have parts of the action in the stock, so they are "allowed".

This is another peice of legislation that can be deep-sixed along with the rest of the Firearms Act.

Scrap C-68, and give us property rights in Canada.

Steveo9mm
02-28-2014, 06:43 PM
is it still safe to buy a 22lr semi? or will that be banned too

harbl_the_cat
02-28-2014, 06:45 PM
The RCMP just rick rolled the CPC and the CPC are a bunch of f-ing idiots for giving them the opportunity to do so.

With an election less than 2 years away, what are the odds the Tories will be able to put through any meaningful legislation that doesn't result in scary looking assault machine guns showing up on CBC in the middle of the campaign trail?

Strewth
02-28-2014, 06:45 PM
2 words.... civil disobedience

Yup. I'm amazed at all the guns that were found after the LGR was abolished. But the whole Firearms Act needs to be scrapped, along with the arbitrary classification system.

harbl_the_cat
02-28-2014, 06:48 PM
I don't think this letter was harsh enough:

http://gunownersofcanada.ca/showthread.php?12405-What-will-the-RCMP-and-the-Conservatives-ban-next&p=123927&viewfull=1#post123927


CPC has lost the 2015 Election. Federal politics are dead.

http://o.canada.com/news/national/de...rs-gun-owners/

The arbitrary prohibition of these rifles, which have been legally sold and have been held as private property without incident for over a decade is the last straw.

Your government had EVERY chance to prevent this and it is clear you are either willing to let unaccountable bureaucracies run amok and make up the law on a whim or you are so incompetent and impotent you have no power to stop them.

The Liberal created Firearms Act (C68), which Stephen Harper PROMISED in 2004 he would repeal, is the cause of this. 10 years later and 3 mandates (including a majority) this law is still in effect.

Clearly Stephen Harper and the entire Conservative party is a band of sell-outs, liars and cowards.

If what I can expect under a Conservative Government is whole scale confiscations of private property WITHOUT compensation it is evident there is no option in Federal politics for me and the Federal government is an illegitimate abomination.

You cannot scare me into supporting you. You have lost the philosophical, intellectual, and logical battle - and your party's sad attempts to try to create bogeymen that only the Conservative party can protect me from only show how pathetic you truly are.

I can tell you until this entire system of government is dismantled and replaced with one accountable to the people that enshrines the natural law of self ownership, I have no intention of participating in this charade, period.

I will not volunteer, I will not donate, I will not vote. I will make sure everyone in my family, circle of friends, and everyone in my social network know to do the same.

I will cheer when your party loses and I will laugh at all your misfortunes.

You had your chance and you blew it. You and your entire lot are a failure.

From a young, former Conservative in Calgary, Alberta
<HTC>

Stevo
02-28-2014, 06:54 PM
Made by Ceska Zbrojovka is the manufacturer (CZ) that is been banned, thats that mean that CZECH SMALL ARMS Is Ok?


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So far.

Steveo9mm
02-28-2014, 06:57 PM
Im so mad i cant even see straight

time to write some very nasty letters

JustBen
02-28-2014, 07:00 PM
I have some letters to write this weekend. It sucks that we don't even have an MP in my riding right now.

I'm seriously wondering what's next. This document lists the SR-22. http://static.globalnews.ca/content/interactives/documents/general_news_bucket/A-2012-00068.PDF
I do have one that's has more than a couple dollars stuck in it.

blacksmithden
02-28-2014, 07:03 PM
If I was ordered to turn one in, I'd go dump it in the deepest lake I can find, they can go fishing for it.

You can dump any gun you like in a pond in my yard. If you tell me you're on your way, I'll start digging the damned hole for it now. Try not to get it too muddy....no point in having to do an extreme cleaning when I fish it out 2 seconds later. :)

Steveo9mm
02-28-2014, 07:03 PM
I need to cool off and get out of here for a while... wonder what will be banned when i log in again.

killer kane
02-28-2014, 07:09 PM
Don't care anymore, they want criminals, they might just get their wish....There is a saying though.

blacksmithden
02-28-2014, 07:11 PM
I have some letters to write this weekend. It sucks that we don't even have an MP in my riding right now.

I'm seriously wondering what's next. This document lists the SR-22. http://static.globalnews.ca/content/interactives/documents/general_news_bucket/A-2012-00068.PDF
I do have one that's has more than a couple dollars stuck in it.

That document is all the proof ANYONE needs to show the RCMP is nowhere near as interested in public safety as they are in outright confiscations. I think the problem is, designing/engineering, and building entirely new firing mechanisms that will fit in an existing receiver is very time consuming. Nobody really understands that even with highly trained individuals and a full machine shop at your disposal, it can take months, and even years to fabricate your proof because these guns are very hard to......errrrrr....I mean they're "easily converted" to full autos. Yea..that's it. :Bang head: :run:

Camo tung
02-28-2014, 07:17 PM
That document is all the proof ANYONE needs to show the RCMP is nowhere near as interested in public safety as they are in outright confiscations. I think the problem is, designing/engineering, and building entirely new firing mechanisms that will fit in an existing receiver is very time consuming. Nobody really understands that even with highly trained individuals and a full machine shop at your disposal, these guns are very hard to......errrrrr....I mean they're "easily converted" to full autos. Yea..that's it. :Bang head: :run:

What the RUMP fails to realize (or prefers to look past) is that the ACT of converting one of the listed semi's to full auto capability is already illegal. Bust the banger that gets caught with an illegal rifle and quit assuming the rest of us have an inclination to do so! Dickheads.

Ben
02-28-2014, 07:28 PM
Im so mad i cant even see straight

time to write some very nasty letters

May I advise otherwise. Don't want black SUVs rolling up on you in the middle of the night.

Stay cool, too the point and be firm. No need to get nasty as it won't get you anywhere but on a list.

ReignCzech
02-28-2014, 07:36 PM
Tell ya what.

Knowing numerous RCMP, city, municipal, from traffic to undercover, retired superintendents/chief to current chief, this multiple FRT# and model of firearms reclassification deal ordeal is not entirely welcomed from within the ranks and institutions.

these last few days have been kaffuffled to say the least.
canadian civilian licenced firearms owners are not the only persons affected nor agitated by this.

discussion within aforementioned family and friends, persons, has brought lots of feedback as to what will be happening in regards to our decisions.
needless to say, even these active and retired police members are not going to comply with forfeiture of the models that lack the record, though the movement of the absolute bare minimum in regards to serialized documented component of make and models applicable, seem to be the action thats going to be taken if absolutely need to be done.

cache them away is happening at this very moment, the likes of which is best not to fully disclose on here at the present time, however each and everyone can see the guidelines in which such avenue is being undertaken. This weekend is going to be a busy one with the people i know, and for myself as well to help with them.

so here's such ways in which several persons are going, badged and all.
licenced civilians are not alone in this.

Stevo
02-28-2014, 08:16 PM
That document is all the proof ANYONE needs to show the RCMP is nowhere near as interested in public safety as they are in outright confiscations. I think the problem is, designing/engineering, and building entirely new firing mechanisms that will fit in an existing receiver is very time consuming. Nobody really understands that even with highly trained individuals and a full machine shop at your disposal, it can take months, and even years to fabricate your proof because these guns are very hard to......errrrrr....I mean they're "easily converted" to full autos. Yea..that's it. :Bang head: :run:

Den,
The devil is in the details. Note the new FRT entries say Converted Automatic. This means the RCMP believe that the receivers were at one time part of functioning, select-fire rifles.

I've owned 3 different 858s and handled many more, including different makes. From what I know of the Czech military marks, I'd say the RCMP were well within the law on this one. I don't agree with the FA, nor do I like this decision, but I don't believe the Mounties are acting outside the law.

Did the importer know? Hard to say, but if a layman can spot the telltales........

I'd also surmise that owners of CZH 2003s should also keep their heads up and ears open.

The Firearms Act must go.

Steve

harbl_the_cat
02-28-2014, 09:10 PM
Den,
The devil is in the details. Note the new FRT entries say Converted Automatic. This means the RCMP believe that the receivers were at one time part of functioning, select-fire rifles.

I've owned 3 different 858s and handled many more, including different makes. From what I know of the Czech military marks, I'd say the RCMP were well within the law on this one. I don't agree with the FA, nor do I like this decision, but I don't believe the Mounties are acting outside the law.

Did the importer know? Hard to say, but if a layman can spot the telltales........

I'd also surmise that owners of CZH 2003s should also keep their heads up and ears open.

The Firearms Act must go.

Steve

That being the case, why don't heads roll over at the RCMP for allowing the population to be put into danger by allowing these evil machine guns in to the hands of the general public?

In my profession if I do something that jeopardizes the safety of the public I can lose my license to practice. Why is it the RCMP get a pass to allow deadly assault rifles into the country?

Stevo
02-28-2014, 09:25 PM
Dupe.

Stevo
02-28-2014, 09:26 PM
That being the case, why don't heads roll over at the RCMP for allowing the population to be put into danger by allowing these evil machine guns in to the hands of the general public?

In my profession if I do something that jeopardizes the safety of the public I can lose my license to practice. Why is it the RCMP get a pass to allow deadly assault rifles into the country?

When is the State and it's agents ever held responsible? Though I'm sure your comment is rhetorical.

Besides, they can always say, "that's not what we approved" and blame it on the manufacturer and/or importer. Much like the CanAm T97A bait and switch.

We can blame TSE, Wolverine, the RCMP, the CPC and Barney the purple dinosaur for this recent round of BS. The real culprit is the Firearms Act. It must go.

Satain
03-01-2014, 12:03 AM
WTF is going on???

harbl_the_cat
03-01-2014, 12:08 AM
RCMP going around banning more guns.

webster
03-01-2014, 01:00 AM
Harbl, I don't think your letter is harsh enough. Put some venom into it. ;)

Camo tung
03-01-2014, 01:03 AM
Harbl, I don't think your letter is harsh enough. Put some venom into it. ;)

Wait for the MLP episode. :horse:

Grizz
03-01-2014, 01:30 AM
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Mad Hatter
03-01-2014, 01:32 AM
Wolverine is/was the sole importer. Some 858's that were converted autos were accidentally shipped and caught. They have stopped importing the 858's (a year ago) and are working with CZ on an alternative. So it is only natural that the ones that never got circulated have been classified as prohib. So my question is what else has changed? The 394mm bbl version being made restricted? Please forgive my ignorance.

ilikemoose
03-01-2014, 01:39 AM
I may or may not have owned, at one point in time one of the 07's with the square under the rear sight.

It was a good rifle...I was pretty bummed when that canoe tipped and it fell into the river.

Haywire1
03-01-2014, 01:41 AM
according to the nfa, there is slightly over 9200 of the cz858 rifles in question out in the public. i know a couple of people who have the affected versions, all were purchased in the last couple years, and none of them from wolverine. It is the same logic that was applied to the swiss arms. one variation supposedly was a converted auto, and they banned the entire family. short leap. I think they realized the swiss arms was a hornets nest and went for a small step. either way, following in lockstep with the swiss arms prohibition it casts serious doubt on them.

frankthedog
03-01-2014, 01:47 AM
I do not own a cz858...but I called my buddy who owns one...he is not all that up to date or into gun laws...and I fully believe if I had not phoned and left him a message telling him to bag and bury his 858 that he would have no idea on the correct action to follow...

awndray
03-01-2014, 07:46 AM
harbl, I like your letter. When I come back from running my errands for the day, I'll be following suit.

Steveo9mm
03-01-2014, 01:03 PM
The really sad thing is that if they end up getting away with this, there will be no stopping them.

I need to do something more than sending letter after letter and calling mp's.... :run: oh my oh my

we need to protest in a group in front of the legislature or something more hardcore

Laramie Longhorn
03-01-2014, 01:22 PM
Don't forget to lobby your provincial politicians as well. Provinces have the ability to opt out of any legislation. The Notwithstanding Clause of the constitution has been used to do this nervous times. By Quebec most notably, but also Alberta.

Many forget that when registration was still law, Alberta told its solicitor general to not charge anyone under the registration portions of C-68.

I'm sure someone with more Google-fu than I can come up with some solid evidence.

Final thing, I find it strange and not a coincidence that this was released late at night on a weekend. Time enough to let the ire die down before the big news of the next week. With the Ukraine business, this will be nothing but a blip on "big medias" radar by Tuesday.

infidel29
03-01-2014, 03:14 PM
Made by Ceska Zbrojovka is the manufacturer (CZ) that is been banned, thats that mean that CZECH SMALL ARMS Is Ok?


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its still ok...for now...

infidel29
03-01-2014, 03:15 PM
So is anyone still angry at TSE or will anyone FINALLY accept that the RCMP and the Federal Government has gone full retard?

BOTH!

harbl_the_cat
03-01-2014, 03:51 PM
BOTH!

Fair enough - but if the 858's were prohibited and the Swiss Arms were out of the picture, how might your sentiment change?

Ben
03-01-2014, 08:06 PM
xxx

Mad Hatter
03-02-2014, 12:34 PM
Is there a petition for the 858 to go along with the Swiss Arms one?

coastal
03-02-2014, 12:36 PM
Give it a f'in rest will ya. JR threw us ALL under the bus. End of story.

The RCMP, for 12 years, ok'd the SAN and all of a sudden we're criminals? Because someone was loosing a few sales here and there?

If he hadn't done anything this, may or may not have happened, but since he DID do something, it DID happen.

Perhaps if JR used Crypto currency, this all could have been avoided.

harbl_the_cat
03-02-2014, 01:39 PM
The point is the RCMP have clearly been planing a big gun grab for quite some time, they obviously are planning to grab more.

Whatever JR did is irrelevant, they are after your guns and they are making their move now.

infidel29
03-02-2014, 01:49 PM
Perhaps if JR used Crypto currency, this all could have been avoided.

I apologise for hacking the thread, but whats cryptocurrency?

Prairie Dog
03-02-2014, 01:54 PM
I apologise for hacking the thread, but whats cryptocurrency?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooo!

Prairie Dog
03-02-2014, 01:56 PM
The point is the RCMP have clearly been planing a big gun grab for quite some time, they obviously are planning to grab more.

Whatever JR did is irrelevant, they are after your guns and they are making their move now.

You like the guy, we get that. His actions were not irrelevant, not by any stretch of the imagination.

coastal
03-02-2014, 02:02 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooo!



:run: lol

Steveo9mm
03-02-2014, 02:03 PM
RCMP have to go. The laws have to be changed from the ground up. this is not in for debate.

Prairie Dog
03-02-2014, 02:19 PM
I apologise for hacking the thread, but whats cryptocurrency?

http://www.gunownersofcanada.ca/showthread.php?11021-Mining-and-Trading-Cryptocurrency&highlight=crypto

lone-wolf
03-02-2014, 07:49 PM
I'd also surmise that owners of CZH 2003s should also keep their heads up and ears open.

I was busy this weekend, and returned to this foolishness.
If the czh2003 becomes prohib, the options I see...

Keep my gun and hope the RCMP ignores me, if they don't, I'd have to hope they won't kill/injure me, any family members, or my dog when they come for me in the night.
Dispose of my firearm and hope they believe my forum post, if they don't I risk a home search and will have to hope they don't throw some frivolous charge at me that will bankrupt my little bank account trying to defend myself.
Turn it in
Sell it to someone else before tshtf

Ben
03-02-2014, 08:01 PM
Perhaps if JR used Crypto currency, this all could have been avoided.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thanks for the laugh - well played, well played indeed !

lone-wolf
03-03-2014, 03:11 PM
Were more added to the list today? czh2003?

infidel29
03-03-2014, 08:32 PM
not to my knowledge...

psyclonaught
03-17-2014, 12:50 PM
Made by Ceska Zbrojovka is the manufacturer (CZ) that is been banned, thats that mean that CZECH SMALL ARMS Is Ok?


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I was reading this site
http://tv-presspass.com/cz858-prohibited-by-rcmp-developing-story/

and they list the CSA VZ28 as an affected variant.

132489 Czech Small Arms SA VZ58 Canadian Sporter 7.62 Czech Small Arms (CSA)
Rifle Semi-Automatic Numbered
- restricted and non restricted depending on barrel

133578 Czech Small Arms SA VZ58 Sporter 7.62 Czech Small Arms (CSA)
Rifle Semi-Automatic Numbered
- restricted and non restricted depending on barrel

Psylnz
03-17-2014, 04:58 PM
It needs to be said, not to us but the general public.....

How many RCMP members and how much tax payers money keeps getting wasted on taking responsibly owned and used firearms from law abiding citizens, that would be better off spent in crime prevention and the apprehension of real criminals?

alaus24
03-31-2014, 04:43 PM
Kind of ironic isn't it that the 858 with wood furniture emblazoned with a maple leaf is now prohibited inn this country...

Deuce-deuce
04-23-2014, 12:21 AM
I do not own a cz858...but I called my buddy who owns one...he is not all that up to date or into gun laws...and I fully believe if I had not phoned and left him a message telling him to bag and bury his 858 that he would have no idea on the correct action to follow...

Leaving a message or posting about it on the Internet, both very wise moves. Do you play poker?:bananna:

I hear ya loud and clear.:shoot:

CanadianEh
06-22-2014, 12:21 AM
Just fyi, once any CZ858 is banned and is fully recognized as banned .......... the RCMP will list anything that even looks like is as a "varriant" like they do with ..

well they want to ban the SR22 as an AR15 variant, which is proposterous.

then theyll ban the 10 22 as it IS a SR22 (and vice versa) as an Ar15 varriant



so all those CSA guns in 223..... CZ858 variant!

Theyll ban just about anything as a variant of a gun the prohibited, and they can prohibit just about any and all guns as "Easily converted to full auto".........

so in effect the RCMP can by themselves unilaterally outlaw just about every firearm in Canada if left unchecked


1) easly converted to full auto = prohibited
2) variant of a prohibited firearm = prohibited

done and done

CanadianEh
06-22-2014, 12:25 AM
Leaving a message or posting about it on the Internet, both very wise moves. Do you play poker?:bananna:

I hear ya loud and clear.:shoot:


Yeah, seriously.

IF you admit that you likely suspect your emails and phone and internet traffic are being monitored do you give up your "reasonable expectation to privacy"? Because given the anti-terror abilities and mass surveylance of -everyone- and mass tracking of -everyone- via gps (phone, car, electronics) or cell phone towers......... im sure most people don't feel too secure saying anything to anyone, any more than prisoners in a federal prison feel like they have privacy- they dont.

I'd like to think that even though we know we are all being monitored like criminal scum (I dont mean gun owners- I mean everyone in the entire population) for our own good that won't negate our actual rights to privacy.
{to rephrase- acknowledging that you are a victim does not negate being a victim, does not mean you are acquiescent)

Never say anything to anyone private unless you are skinny dipping with them in the middle of the forest...... other than that assume you are in a room with the RCMP and Jesus listening.

:)

http://lh3.ggpht.com/-4xrZCz1NuR4/TAt1ftUZ-wI/AAAAAAAAEAM/dr0nwbpFEDo/wildswim2.jpg?imgmax=800

parrnan
09-26-2014, 09:38 AM
We are September 26th and still no permanent solution from minister Blaney for CZ858 owners. I'm beginning to think that he was not serious when he talked about a permanent solution for us this fall...

Grizz
09-26-2014, 10:01 AM
Did fall not just officially start yesterday?? Give the man a chance.....if there is still nothing by say end October / mid November then you would have a point. Just my opinion for what it's worth, not trying to offend anyone


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GlockGuy
09-26-2014, 11:45 AM
Everyone who has one should demand a Prohib license for legal protection from the cops. Then you could buy, sell & trade other Prohib weapons as well. :cool1:

GlockGuy
09-26-2014, 11:46 AM
Which models were unrestricted??

kennymo
09-26-2014, 12:08 PM
We are September 26th and still no permanent solution from minister Blaney for CZ858 owners. I'm beginning to think that he was not serious when he talked about a permanent solution for us this fall...

I believe the date Oct. 1st was being batted around a few places as a possible important date in this whole mess. One can only hope that they are taking the time to get this right, it's a convoluted mess they're trying to work within. I wish they'd just said $&@# it and scrapped C-68 altogether, rather than altering, but that's a whole other can of worms.

kennymo
09-26-2014, 12:10 PM
Everyone who has one should demand a Prohib license for legal protection from the cops. Then you could buy, sell & trade other Prohib weapons as well. :cool1:

There was some talk of this before, but they'd probably just make a new 12.whatever class and leave you only able to buy and sell CZ's and Swiss Arms. Then you could look at them in your safe whenever you wanted.....I'd like a little better outcome.

Grizz
09-26-2014, 12:12 PM
I wish they'd just said $&@# it and scrapped C-68 altogether, rather than altering, but that's a whole other can of worms.

I'm hoping that once they get into it they will realize it will be easier to just scrap it and re-write the whole thing....not holding my breath though. Besides, if they did decide to do that, I guarantee it would be tied and conditional to another majority term. That being said though, it would motivate and I tire the firearms community like never before. In the end, I just don't think that is a nest they want to kick


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Steveo9mm
09-26-2014, 01:02 PM
the suspense is killing me.

Grizz
09-26-2014, 01:04 PM
the suspense is killing me.

It's killing all of us!!!!


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Tactical72
09-26-2014, 01:43 PM
We are September 26th and still no permanent solution from minister Blaney for CZ858 owners. I'm beginning to think that he was not serious when he talked about a permanent solution for us this fall...

I believe fall is a season, and as such is three months long. If they said fall, they have some time.

GlockGuy
09-26-2014, 02:57 PM
There was some talk of this before, but they'd probably just make a new 12.whatever class and leave you only able to buy and sell CZ's and Swiss Arms. Then you could look at them in your safe whenever you wanted.....I'd like a little better outcome.

You can take any Prohib to your gun range. Remember they changed the rules on them.

Doug_M
09-26-2014, 03:58 PM
You can take any Prohib to your gun range. Remember they changed the rules on them.
I wish that were true but you can't take prohib long guns to the range. CFO's won't issue an ATT for that purpose.

Haywire1
09-26-2014, 04:21 PM
Thats where the confusion comes in. Blaney said owners could use them like they did before (nr's as nr's etc) however the cfos decided that since they are prohibited currently, they cant be used, and wont issue att's. Adding to that is all dnd ranges are defacto certified for prohibs, however again, the cfos refuse to issue atts.
Boiled down, blaney said good to go, cfos say no good.

GlockGuy
09-26-2014, 04:31 PM
I wish that were true but you can't take prohib long guns to the range. CFO's won't issue an ATT for that purpose.

Whoops!! You are correct. My bad. was thinking of the rules for Handguns.

kennymo
09-28-2014, 12:29 PM
I wish that were true but you can't take prohib long guns to the range. CFO's won't issue an ATT for that purpose.

Apparently if you can find a military range that DND will allow you to utilize, prohibited rifles and even autos can still be fired. Something about the CFO having no say in what goes on at a military site. ATT's to transport to the base or firing range and then you're out of their bubble of authority from what I understand. (Somebody please correct if I'm mistaken)
I have a lack of military ranges and prohibited licenses unfortunately.....

Haywire1
09-28-2014, 01:25 PM
You are correct, however the cfo's have refused to issue the att for prohibs for a few years now.

JRW (QOR)
09-29-2014, 09:04 AM
You are correct, however the cfo's have refused to issue the att for prohibs for a few years now.

The amended amnesty allows you to use these firearms on any licensed range. Doesnt matter if it's "prohib". This includes transporting them as before, hence no special ATT is required.

Haywire1
09-29-2014, 09:17 AM
Yes. But the cfos have issued a statement saying they cant be fired at ranges since they are prohibs. There is a ton of confusion over this.

Doug_M
09-29-2014, 11:49 AM
Yes. But the cfos have issued a statement saying they cant be fired at ranges since they are prohibs. There is a ton of confusion over this.

Only some CFOs. Shalimar posted the NS CFO who said you're good to go.

Haywire1
09-29-2014, 11:54 AM
I dont trust any of the bastids.

JRW (QOR)
09-30-2014, 11:14 AM
Yes. But the cfos have issued a statement saying they cant be fired at ranges since they are prohibs. There is a ton of confusion over this.

Only the Quebec CFO, what would you expect?

Canuck
09-30-2014, 11:24 AM
Not to add to the confusion. It was my understanding that you could obtain an SAP to take your prohib rifle to a range. Getting the SAP was another story. Could this be a way to take your CZ858 or Swiss Arms to the range, assuming you could get a CFO to issue one? Would they be more open to that avenue? Just wondering out loud here.

JRW (QOR)
10-05-2014, 03:08 PM
No need. The Extended Amnesty covers everyone.

BTW, looks like the new Bill will be introduced into the House on Tuesday.

Canuck
10-05-2014, 05:10 PM
No need. The Extended Amnesty covers everyone.

BTW, looks like the new Bill will be introduced into the House on Tuesday.

Yes. But does it cover every rifle or just the CZ and Swiss arms?

JRW (QOR)
10-06-2014, 12:49 PM
Yes. But does it cover every rifle or just the CZ and Swiss arms?

Only those two are spelled out in the Amnesty and were the ones reclassified by the RCMP without the Minister's approval.

RobSmith
10-06-2014, 02:17 PM
No mention of it on the parlement's website so far.


No need. The Extended Amnesty covers everyone.

BTW, looks like the new Bill will be introduced into the House on Tuesday.

JRW (QOR)
10-06-2014, 03:31 PM
No mention of it on the parlement's website so far.

If it comes tomorrow it will be on tomorrow's order paper:

http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Pub=projected&Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=41&Ses=2

parrnan
10-07-2014, 11:27 AM
We are October 7th and minister Blaney has table his new bill and I see nothing about fixing the CZ858 reclassification problem in it. I will wait for the bill complete text but so far it does not look good for CZ858 owners.

Steveo9mm
10-07-2014, 11:43 AM
weve been taken. Hook, line and sinker.

Doug_M
10-07-2014, 11:56 AM
We are October 7th and minister Blaney has table his new bill and I see nothing about fixing the CZ858 reclassification problem in it. I will wait for the bill complete text but so far it does not look good for CZ858 owners.

Actually it is in there. They have amended the criminal code to define non-restricted (unbelievably it wasn't in there before) and they have added new OIC powers that didn't exist before either to decree any firearm (prohibited or otherwise) as non-restricted.

parrnan
10-08-2014, 01:00 PM
weve been taken. Hook, line and sinker.

Effectively, It looks like this!

parrnan
10-08-2014, 01:03 PM
Actually it is in there. They have amended the criminal code to define non-restricted (unbelievably it wasn't in there before) and they have added new OIC powers that didn't exist before either to decree any firearm (prohibited or otherwise) as non-restricted.

If it's really there lets hope they will "decree" the CZ858 as non-restricted (like it was before) ASAP. I want to use it,like I did in the previous years, in deer hunting SOON !!!

Doug_M
10-08-2014, 01:07 PM
If it's really there lets hope they will "decree" the CZ858 as non-restricted (like it was before) ASAP. I want to use it,like I did in the previous years, in deer hunting SOON !!!
Won't happen for deer season this year unfortunately. Procedurally it takes too long to get a bill passed, even with a majority.

parrnan
10-08-2014, 06:21 PM
Won't happen for deer season this year unfortunately. Procedurally it takes too long to get a bill passed, even with a majority.

Yes I guess it will not be possible for this year deer season. I'll have to use my Remington cal. 270 instead. More accurate but lot heavier than the CZ858.
27

JRW (QOR)
10-09-2014, 09:17 PM
Won't happen for deer season this year unfortunately. Procedurally it takes too long to get a bill passed, even with a majority.

Spring 2015.

Ms359
10-10-2014, 03:02 AM
They can unrestrict and unprohibit every gun on the list or they can piss off. The bill is a joke and anyone with half a brain knows it.

parrnan
12-01-2014, 03:38 PM
They can unrestrict and unprohibit every gun on the list or they can piss off. The bill is a joke and anyone with half a brain knows it.

I guess you are right as we are December 1st 2014 and bill C-42 is now "the law" and my CZ858, originaly unrestricted, is still prohibited...

JRW (QOR)
12-02-2014, 06:22 PM
I guess you are right as we are December 1st 2014 and bill C-42 is now "the law" and my CZ858, originaly unrestricted, is still prohibited...

It is not law. It hasnt even been voted on second reading yet. There is a long process yet to go. It will be law Spring 2015. Then they will be returned to former status.

parrnan
12-03-2014, 11:29 AM
It is not law. It hasnt even been voted on second reading yet. There is a long process yet to go. It will be law Spring 2015. Then they will be returned to former status.

If it is not the law so why minister Blaney held a press conference Monday December 1st to announce that it is now in function?

Doug_M
12-03-2014, 12:51 PM
If it is not the law so why minister Blaney held a press conference Monday December 1st to announce that it is now in function?

He did no such thing. All the press conferences are archived on this website: http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/nws/index-eng.aspx

The first reading of the bill happened. Then the second reading was delayed by that a-hole in Ottawa. Then the second reading happened last week and "part 2" of that reading plus the vote is supposed to happen this week I believe. Then on to the senate. Then royal assent.

And during that second reading last week Blaney said the CZ and SA will be reverted to their previous classifications immediately upon C-42 becoming law.

parrnan
12-04-2014, 11:03 AM
...And during that second reading last week Blaney said the CZ and SA will be reverted to their previous classifications immediately upon C-42 becoming law.

Well, that is a good new ! But Monday December 1st Radio-Canada (French CBC) showed the press conference I was refering.

Doug_M
12-04-2014, 11:48 AM
Well, that is a good new ! But Monday December 1st Radio-Canada (French CBC) showed the press conference I was refering.

Perhaps it was just Radio Canada that mentioned C-42. The Public Safety website shows two news releases for Dec 1st. One was "Temporary suspension of removals lifted for Haiti and Zimbabwe" and the other "Minister Blaney highlights the coming into force of the Enhancing Royal Canadian Mounted Police Accountability Act". Perhaps because Radio Canada and the CBC are communist progressive scum they threw in mention of C-42 because the CPC and Blaney are all evil demons who want to unleash murder and mayhem by reducing gun control.

parrnan
12-04-2014, 03:00 PM
Perhaps it was just Radio Canada that mentioned C-42. The Public Safety website shows two news releases for Dec 1st. One was "Temporary suspension of removals lifted for Haiti and Zimbabwe" and the other "Minister Blaney highlights the coming into force of the Enhancing Royal Canadian Mounted Police Accountability Act". Perhaps because Radio Canada and the CBC are communist progressive scum they threw in mention of C-42 because the CPC and Blaney are all evil demons who want to unleash murder and mayhem by reducing gun control.

I guess you don't like CBC/Radio-Canada... But anyway, if minister Blaney said that "the CZ and SA will be reverted to their previous classifications immediately upon C-42 becoming law" that is a real good news. It is not the promised "permanent solution" but it is a good temporary one. And as long as the CPC will be in office it is permanent solution I guess so let's vote for them !

JRW (QOR)
12-04-2014, 03:11 PM
I guess you don't like CBC/Radio-Canada... But anyway, if minister Blaney said that "the CZ and SA will be reverted to their previous classifications immediately upon C-42 becoming law" that is a real good news. It is not the promised "permanent solution" but it is a good temporary one. And as long as the CPC will be in office it is permanent solution I guess so let's vote for them !

Short of a constitutional change there is no permanent solution.

Steveo9mm
07-20-2015, 02:25 PM
Like many others... I am still awaiting this "Unbanning" ....

Swampdonkey
07-20-2015, 02:45 PM
Like many others... I am still awaiting this "Unbanning" ....

Yes, then I can buy an unregistered one and save it from the next round of confiscations.

I can't believe how many owners actually registered theirs. I'm disappointed.

Deuce-deuce
07-20-2015, 03:31 PM
Registered? I don't think you could register the non restricted now prohibited Cz-858s.
Yes, then I can buy an unregistered one and save it from the next round of confiscations.

I can't believe how many owners actually registered theirs. I'm disappointed.

Swampdonkey
07-20-2015, 03:36 PM
Registered? I don't think you could register the non restricted now prohibited Cz-858s.

There were threads when the prohibitions happened.

Deuce-deuce
07-20-2015, 03:41 PM
There were threads when the prohibitions happened.

I'm sorry but I'm pretty sure you are incorrect. I don't believe there was any way to register these guns... At least the two I don't own aren't registered ;)

harbl_the_cat
07-20-2015, 03:57 PM
I dug mine up and cleaned the bores on them... one of them has a huge pit in the chamber. It shot well last I shot it - but bulges the brass pretty decent...

Swampdonkey
07-20-2015, 07:25 PM
I hope I'm wrong.

blacksmithden
07-21-2015, 02:35 AM
I'm sorry but I'm pretty sure you are incorrect. I don't believe there was any way to register these guns... At least the two I don't own aren't registered ;)

Nope...no new prohibs allowed under our current system...of course, that can always be amended and modified to suit our master's whims.

parrnan
07-21-2015, 04:28 PM
Nope...no new prohibs allowed under our current system...of course, that can always be amended and modified to suit our master's whims.

Mine is registered on the old long gun registry. And even if they are not supposed to have the registry's data, the Quebec CFO sent me a letter telling me that my rifle is now prohibited and specifying that I can no longer us it.

I'm waiting with patience, well I'm beginning to be out of patience, that minister Blaney will keep his word and will "unprohibited" the CZ858 and the Swiss Arms. In fact, I'm very tired of waiting...

Deuce-deuce
07-21-2015, 07:26 PM
Please post the letter.

Mine is registered on the old long gun registry. And even if they are not supposed to have the registry's data, the Quebec CFO sent me a letter telling me that my rifle is now prohibited and specifying that I can no longer us it.

I'm waiting with patience, well I'm beginning to be out of patience, that minister Blaney will keep his word and will "unprohibited" the CZ858 and the Swiss Arms. In fact, I'm very tired of waiting...

Foxer
07-21-2015, 08:25 PM
Mine is registered on the old long gun registry. And even if they are not supposed to have the registry's data, the Quebec CFO sent me a letter telling me that my rifle is now prohibited and specifying that I can no longer us it.

I'm waiting with patience, well I'm beginning to be out of patience, that minister Blaney will keep his word and will "unprohibited" the CZ858 and the Swiss Arms. In fact, I'm very tired of waiting...

So send a letter - nice, not nasty, reminding him that this'd be the time to get going on that OIC to deal with that.