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Strangeday
04-26-2014, 11:20 PM
Based on some information i recieved and have great confidence in i am writing to the Firearms Center to ask if they are revoking my registration certificate for my restricted Swiss Arms rifle. I am advised that they have been instructed not to do so. If they do not revoke the certificate then it remains restricted in its use and possession much the same way a 12.6 handgun is. A legislative paradox now exists with these firearms.

Strewth
04-26-2014, 11:36 PM
Is the paradox legislative, or political? By the letter of the law: http://http://www.gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2/2014/2014-03-26/html/sor-dors56-eng.php
the rifle is still restricted, but you're only allowed to transport it to the RCMP, or a museum?
It's in a class of it's own, ha-ha?

I thought the amnesty is a placeholder, or even just bafflegab, while this mess is sorted out? As per the above link, we can have them, we just can't do anything with them?

Canuck
04-27-2014, 12:11 AM
Watching this with great interest.

Gaidheal
04-27-2014, 05:16 AM
Sounds like they're in the same category as my Galil SARs... Can't leave the house with them except to be surrendered.

We need a pretty serious revamp of the laws

:mad1:

Strangeday
04-27-2014, 07:57 AM
Is the paradox legislative, or political? By the letter of the law: http://http://www.gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2/2014/2014-03-26/html/sor-dors56-eng.php
the rifle is still restricted, but you're only allowed to transport it to the RCMP, or a museum?
It's in a class of it's own, ha-ha?

I thought the amnesty is a placeholder, or even just bafflegab, while this mess is sorted out? As per the above link, we can have them, we just can't do anything with them?

The paradox exists because the registration certificate is not revoked and the certificate identifies the rifle as restricted. If they revoke the certificate I can appeal through the courts. This creates a court case they do not want on the books as that process will be a burden with legislative changes. A courts judgement is a pain in the ass. If they take steps to revoke the restricted certificates but do nothing to collect the non restricted ones (amnesty) then there is no public safety issue.

We all put up with years of these registries and programs that have been intrusive and abusive in our lives. I had an casual conversation with a senior staff member of the PCO a few days ago and he laughed at the topic of gun control. "Everyone knows the issue of gun control is just politics, any politician who tells you it is about public safety is a liar. Hunters don't rob the corner store"

webster
04-27-2014, 09:25 AM
"Everyone knows the issue of gun control is just politics, any politician who tells you it is about public safety is a liar. Hunters don't rob the corner store"

Nailed it! I'll be interested to see how this develops.

BrotherRockeye
04-27-2014, 09:47 AM
Sounds like they're in the same category as my Galil SARs... Can't leave the house with them .


2 words... SHOOTING WINDOW

Strangeday
04-27-2014, 11:49 AM
2 words... SHOOTING WINDOW


That's funny...i used to hunt deer from the cottage. They would walk across the frozen lake and I'd just open the sliding door and shoot from the kitchen table.

Gaidheal
04-27-2014, 11:56 AM
2 words... SHOOTING WINDOW

Funny thing... I've already started looking into a range on my own property. Catch is I'd have to be a member of a club to get an ATT to transport my restricted/prohibs from the house to the backyard. Awesome laws...

I didn't want to break the CFO staff by jumping to the next step of shooting FROM my house on the 1st chat.

LOL

Edenchef
04-27-2014, 11:59 AM
The paradox exists because the registration certificate is not revoked and the certificate identifies the rifle as restricted. If they revoke the certificate I can appeal through the courts. This creates a court case they do not want on the books as that process will be a burden with legislative changes. A courts judgement is a pain in the ass. If they take steps to revoke the restricted certificates but do nothing to collect the non restricted ones (amnesty) then there is no public safety issue.

We all put up with years of these registries and programs that have been intrusive and abusive in our lives. I had an casual conversation with a senior staff member of the PCO a few days ago and he laughed at the topic of gun control. "Everyone knows the issue of gun control is just politics, any politician who tells you it is about public safety is a liar. Hunters don't rob the corner store"

Of course this avenue is only available in a non-totalitarian state; such is not the current case in Canada, when firearms are involved. In a non-totalitarian Canada, bureaucrats must answer to parliament, not run roughshod over the freedom of mere citizens, with little or no oversight or consequences to their actions.

I don't think they will provide even a slim chance of someone challenging these regulatory changes in court. Just imagine the backlog it would create in the court system if everyone demanded their "right" to appear before a judge. Sort of like photo-radar; if everyone fought the ticket the tickets from just one day would plug up the courts for a year.

Cheers!

BrotherRockeye
04-27-2014, 12:10 PM
SHOOTING WINDOW ;D

http://imageshack.com/a/img18/4903/fauf.jpg

Waterloomike
04-27-2014, 12:37 PM
That's funny...i used to hunt deer from the cottage. They would walk across the frozen lake and I'd just open the sliding door and shoot from the kitchen table.

Oh for the good old days.

But now we're into strange days.

Good to see you Strangeday. :)

Mad Hatter
04-27-2014, 11:22 PM
i would run this question by Solomon Friedman or that lawyer that is handling the class action for Swiss owners.

DOOK
04-28-2014, 05:28 AM
Ot a little, but are you history at CGN now SD?
Same thread, much different outcome eh?

Waterloomike
04-28-2014, 06:56 AM
i would run this question by Solomon Friedman or that lawyer that is handling the class action for Swiss owners.

Ed Burlew.

Hmrdwn
04-28-2014, 10:26 AM
"Everyone knows the issue of gun control is just politics, any politician who tells you it is about public safety is a liar. Hunters don't rob the corner store"

Quoted for truth.

whitewatersalvo
05-16-2014, 04:49 PM
What happened strangeday?

Drache
05-16-2014, 05:01 PM
Funny thing... I've already started looking into a range on my own property. Catch is I'd have to be a member of a club to get an ATT to transport my restricted/prohibs from the house to the backyard. Awesome laws...

I didn't want to break the CFO staff by jumping to the next step of shooting FROM my house on the 1st chat.

LOL

LTATT. Mine covers any range in my province and any restricted I own

x0ra
05-16-2014, 06:46 PM
Funny thing... I've already started looking into a range on my own property. Catch is I'd have to be a member of a club to get an ATT to transport my restricted/prohibs from the house to the backyard. Awesome laws...

I didn't want to break the CFO staff by jumping to the next step of shooting FROM my house on the 1st chat.

LOL
Create your own club and be the only member :-)

Foxer
05-16-2014, 07:10 PM
I really appreciate hearing about this stuff - but i wonder if you should be talking about it now for your own sake?

Strangeday
05-16-2014, 07:42 PM
9 days and counting....no response

Mr. Lahey
05-18-2014, 05:44 PM
I'm no lawyer, but the RCMP briefing notes to Minister Blakey point out that they do not have the legal authority to classify firearms, and that their conclusions used on the FRT constitutes an "expert opinion". I would think that your registration constitutes a legal document which carries weight. Ironically, if you had one of the formerly non-restricted variants you might be in a riskier situation...

Signed,
Not a lawyer :)

Strangeday
07-01-2014, 10:15 PM
They have declined to revoke my certificate. There is additional information I can not discuss at the moment but it's looking very good for all concerned.

blacksmithden
07-01-2014, 10:34 PM
They have declined to revoke my certificate. There is additional information I can not discuss at the moment but it's looking very good for all concerned.

http://www.snookerbacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Thumbs-Up.jpg

Daniel_250r
07-02-2014, 07:15 PM
They have declined to revoke my certificate. There is additional information I can not discuss at the moment but it's looking very good for all concerned.

Elaborate on what they told you or im calling bs. I still await all the other false prophecies you made up to come true.