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mrg372k9
08-19-2014, 07:06 PM
I finally got my club level att the other day yay me!!!. My AR was my first purchase and I blinged it out just because i could. I bought an eotech for it, being the cool thing to do so i thought. Off to the range i go. I really didn't enjoy it. I'm not entirely sure where i wanna go with this hobby, but first i must continue to get comfortable shooting left. I'm considering picking up a 3x magnifier to try out with the eotech or even scrapping that whole idea. I'd like to call on the oodles of experience here and get some recommendations on a better solution, maybe a decent scope, poor man's acog? I've searched around seems like too many options, figured i'd ask the proz here :) any feedback is appreaciated!

mtlgun
08-19-2014, 08:09 PM
What is it about the Eo that's not working for you. I'm guessing you want to see your shots on the paper. A 3x might do it for close up targets but probably not for anything over 50 yards.

Bushnell has their AR line of optics that are made for AR's. They have an ACOG style scope but at a much more affordable price as well as several other very nice one's.

A little more detail with what you're looking for would help but check out the bushnell stuff and you should be ok.

mrg372k9
08-20-2014, 01:57 PM
Mainly to see what I'm aiming at, 25y is fine, 50y I gotta get off my ass and go look. I looked at the bushnell stuff, looks like I'm gonna go shopping this weekend. Thx for responding


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Strewth
08-20-2014, 02:26 PM
What is it about the Eo that's not working for you. I'm guessing you want to see your shots on the paper. A 3x might do it for close up targets but probably not for anything over 50 yards.

Bushnell has their AR line of optics that are made for AR's. They have an ACOG style scope but at a much more affordable price as well as several other very nice one's.

A little more detail with what you're looking for would help but check out the bushnell stuff and you should be ok.

I like this post so I'm going to chime in with another "I agree" so I don't have to type so much:).

Congrats on the ATT! Hopefully we won't have to say that for too much longer.
I've got an Aimpoint Pro and Vortex 3x magnifier on my .223 upper and a Bushnell 1x4 PCL on my .22 upper, this magnification barely does it for me at 50 yards with little .22 holes.
I really like the Aimpoint's 2MOA dot, the Bushnell I have has the First Focal Plane focus, so the reticle grows with the magnification, kinda neat. At 4x the reticle's a little thick, and obscures too much of the target IMHO, but there's lots of other ones to choose from.

mtlgun
08-20-2014, 03:07 PM
You might think about just getting a spotting scope G. It's pretty much standard equipment for people who shoot with iron sights and it can be handy for optics as well. Some people don't like the bulk and weight you get with higher magnification scopes or the red dot just jumps out at tired old eyes better. That's where the spotting scope combo is used best. I've had decent luck with cheap binoculars in the $30 range out to 100 yards.
Personally I don't shoot much long range so that's all I need. If you're planning on going out past that you find a decent spotting scope to be essential.

Strewth
08-20-2014, 03:10 PM
You might think about just getting a spotting scope G. It's pretty much standard equipment for people who shoot with iron sights and it can be handy for optics as well. Some people don't like the bulk and weight you get with higher magnification scopes or the red dot just jumps out at tired old eyes better. That's where the spotting scope combo is used best. I've had decent luck with cheap binoculars in the $30 range out to 100 yards.
Personally I don't shoot much long range so that's all I need. If you're planning on going out past that you find a decent spotting scope to be essential.

Good point as well; I picked up one of those garbage Canadian Tire Spotting scopes for $50 and it has decent depth of field to about 150 yards. My little used Burris spotting scope works peachy to almost 350.

BuckingFastard
08-20-2014, 10:05 PM
I run a aimpoint m4s & eotech xps-2 with no mag on my 10.3 and 10.5 ar's everything else longer then that has an acog. I like the red dot but at 50-100m the acog is a lot more precise. I'm looking to get both magnifiers one day as I've had the eo combo in the past and it worked well. If you already have an eo that's what I would suggest or try and flog it for a vortex 1-4x24, that's a nice package as I've also had one of those in the past.

mrg372k9
09-16-2014, 05:45 PM
Finally picked up the scope yesterday. I went with a Barska 1-4x28, it was too good of a deal to pass up. Some range time earlier this eve. Hapiness factor now restored. Hitting the steel plates at 200y consistantly with norc 5.56

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zulu
09-16-2014, 07:36 PM
I think most would have warned you against a barska. There is a lot of poor reviews however if it's working then it's working! Maybe you got lucky and got a good one!

Johnny1911a1
09-16-2014, 08:07 PM
I had a Bushnell TRS-32 red dot on my M4 but found that shooting at the indoor range I was having issues seeing the centre of the target due to the large 5 MOA dot when setting the target out at the far end of the lane. I just recently purchased a Nikon 3x32 P-223 BDC scoped rom Bass Pro for just under $200 and love it. I can still shoot with both eyes open and the sight picture is crystal clear and this thing is designed and specifically set up for the AR platform and .223/5.56 round. Don't use a mount less then 1.5" high otherwise you really have to mash your cheek into the stock to get a good view through the lens and you'll fight with getting a hold of the charge bar if you like your stock set all the way back.

mrg372k9
09-17-2014, 06:10 AM
I think most would have warned you against a barska. There is a lot of poor reviews however if it's working then it's working! Maybe you got lucky and got a good one!
Ya i saw alot of poor reviews though there was an equally amount of good one too. The general conclusion was the scope was fine for the $. I paid 100$ for it on amazon. I figure i can't go wrong at that price and being on a tight budget it was a no brainer. Time will tell.

awndray
09-17-2014, 06:27 AM
If you don't mind, let's go back to the original post. You said you're willing to get out of this hobby, but the conversation turned into one about choosing optics for an AR. What do you want out of this hobby? What's your intended purpose for this rifle? Perhaps the scope has nothing to do with the problem you're experiencing.

mrg372k9
09-17-2014, 03:44 PM
I went back to the original post, since i forgot i had said. Must have been something hidden between lines. I will clarify. I would drop the hobby if another job loss happens, it's difficult enough starting over as it is. As far as what i want to accomplish with the hobby? Heck i still don't know, i do know being cross eye dominant sucks, i also know that i enjoying shooting and i should have done more research where the eotech was concerned, that's innexperience for ya
Now theres an eotech collecting dust.

Petamocto
09-17-2014, 04:02 PM
If you like the cool factor for your AR and you want something magnified, you can always go with a 4 x Trijicon ACOG instead of an EOTech.

http://static.bhphoto.com/images/images345x345/trijicon_ta31_d_100312_acog_4x32_dual_illuminated_ 1036050.jpg

hercster
09-17-2014, 04:40 PM
It may not be that obvious to the newer shooter but so much depends on the end use of the optic. If you are running in 3 Gun with targets at wildly different distances and lot of fast close action you might not want a magnified scope. Another major factor for some of us mature folks has to do with vision and specifically problems with Holo sights like the Eotech. For some of us, a clear sharp dot isn't going to happen.

For many, a variable 1 x 4 or 6 scope is the ticket for anything close out to 200 yards. I ended up with a piggy back arrangement with a 4 x Leupold HAMR and a 7 MOA Delta Point on top. My best advise to new people is to get educated. There are a lot of differences in the shooting sports and one size does not fit all. Try to predict where your interests may go and then go to a match or three to see what other shooters are using.

Petamocto
10-11-2014, 07:20 PM
...If you are running in 3 Gun with targets at wildly different distances and lot of fast close action you might not want a magnified scope. Another major factor for some of us mature folks has to do with vision and specifically problems with Holo sights like the EOTech. For some of us, a clear sharp dot isn't going to happen...

I agree that an EOTech isn't a good idea for someone with bad eyes, but an ACOG is magnified and meant to be fired with both eyes open, so it's the best of both words. It's not like looking through a super magnified scope, it's just 3-4x so it makes things closer while letting you still see things pop up with your other eye.

The best part is that it is automatically in focus, too, so even if you normally need glasses you won't with a good optic; it will be perfectly crisp.

hercster
10-13-2014, 06:57 PM
I agree that an EOTech isn't a good idea for someone with bad eyes, but an ACOG is magnified and meant to be fired with both eyes open, so it's the best of both words. It's not like looking through a super magnified scope, it's just 3-4x so it makes things closer while letting you still see things pop up with your other eye.

The best part is that it is automatically in focus, too, so even if you normally need glasses you won't with a good optic; it will be perfectly crisp.

I considered an ACOG but found the Leupold HAMR to be better featured for me. It has better eye relief and a wider view. It is stunningly bright and sharp at 4x. For my close shots I mounted a Delta Point MRD on top. You can do that with an ACOG too. However this setup puts you in Open if that matters to you. After one season. my eye/brain switches from one optic to the other without thinking. 4 X is fine at 200 yards which has been the max at my matches. The Delta at 7 MOA is super good for short shots and you can use the apex of the Delta at medium to longer distances. The downside is that it's pricey.