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loki
05-05-2012, 08:37 AM
Funny stuff.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTEswkc4lPs&feature=player_embedded

And for the record I'm a fan of anything that goes bang and spits lead, even Glocks. I appreciate the humour though.

Edward Teach
05-05-2012, 11:16 AM
Plastic sissy pistols... :mad:

Strewth
05-05-2012, 12:14 PM
LOL! I hope he makes more videos, that's a good 'un!

The slick slide is a bit of a reach, though...

OutdoorPursuitsCanada
05-05-2012, 12:16 PM
Awesome. Good humor.

jonanddad
05-05-2012, 01:39 PM
:( I love meee Glock!!


http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h145/jonanddad2006/CGN/Glock1.jpg

Forbes/Hutton
05-05-2012, 02:14 PM
I neither lover nor hate Glocks. They are what they are. They did break huge ground in the 80s when they were introduced, but the other makers have since equalled or better Glocks offerings (yes, often by copying Glock, but now Glock is copying others). They are very much the Blackberries of the gun world.

It's the Glock kool-aid and fan-bois that refuse to admit other guns are better in ways than the Glock. Same with the 1911. Both claim their gun's perfect, but the two "most" perfect guns have the biggest aftermarkets for them, why would aftermaket and performance parts be needed if the gun was perfect?

jonanddad
05-05-2012, 02:20 PM
Truth is if I had the money at the time I would have bought a Sig 226 in 9mm rather than the Glock. But I am surprised how nice it it, I can't shoot it worth s*it tho lol

50calshooter
05-05-2012, 06:00 PM
Hahahaha that was awesome! That guys funny!


Glocks are Ok, they serve a purpose.

normmus
05-05-2012, 06:46 PM
Haha, imagine your buddy borrowing your glock so he can 'make a youtube video about it' and then seeing this!

jwirecom109
05-05-2012, 06:46 PM
Haha, imagine your buddy borrowing your glock so he can 'make a youtube video about it' and then seeing this!

Hey Jon can I borrow your glock :D

jonanddad
05-05-2012, 07:00 PM
Hey Jon can I borrow your glock :D

Ha Ha Ha Ha.... Only if I can borrow your Kimber

jwirecom109
05-05-2012, 07:01 PM
Ha Ha Ha Ha.... Only if I can borrow your Kinber

If i had a Kinber sure, All i have is a Kimber :P

jonanddad
05-05-2012, 07:23 PM
If i had a Kinber sure, All i have is a Kimber :P

fixed lol

BuckingFastard
05-05-2012, 10:13 PM
Hahahaha that was humorous, I don't have anything against glock, not my favorite pistol but I do have 3 of them

loki
05-07-2012, 10:33 PM
Yeah I have to admit to owning Glocks. I also have to admit to using one in lieu of toilet paper at the range......

It still fired right after.

:p

Drache
02-10-2015, 08:07 PM
http://108.imagebam.com/download/WpCjCEKeyJkrebYW66La6w/24701/247002778/the-only-safe-way-to-shoot-a-glock-22423.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c392/imtheflash/Misc/a59230f8.jpg~original

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r242/redbarron06/Funny/GlockPerfection.jpg

http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/GlocksInUse.gif

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g262/ProudandTall/IMG_1481.jpg

What is the best way to stop terrorists shooting people?

Airdrop them crates of Glock handguns and just sit back and wait for them to blow their hands off. :D

Petamocto
02-10-2015, 08:10 PM
Meh. Funny memes, but it is disingenuous to suggest they are garbage.

They offer a good mix of features for a price point that a lot of people are happy with.

They're definitely not the best, but they're still good.

Drache
02-10-2015, 08:21 PM
Meh. Funny memes, but it is disingenuous to suggest they are garbage.

They offer a good mix of features for a price point that a lot of people are happy with.

They're definitely not the best, but they're still good.

I have yet to run a good Glock. I gave up and sold them all. As long as you keep them lubed, don't drop them in water, or run +P ammo I guess they are ok :D

superbad
02-11-2015, 11:45 AM
Plus p ammo works on mine all the time, most handguns that blow up are ammo related/ hot reloads or squibs followed by another round. It is however the hardest handgun to shoot well, once I mastered the glocks I have I can shoot anything extremely well.

awndray
02-11-2015, 12:11 PM
Meh. Funny memes, but it is disingenuous to suggest they are garbage.

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/fa/faa971f72c075a37c8da986202320b8a4a366019464f5a6d29 c5539ea4e4843d.jpg

Weekend Gunslingers
02-11-2015, 03:46 PM
I feel a counter argument thread coming ;D

Drache
02-11-2015, 03:55 PM
I feel a counter argument thread coming ;D

For a Glock? Impossible :D

Drache
02-11-2015, 03:58 PM
Against my better judgement I bought another Glock! This one actually feels more sturdy than any Glock I've owned before it! Maybe Glock has fixed their plastic bricks finally!

http://images.mocpages.com/user_brickshelf_resized/gallery/Halofan92/G17/dscn3932.jpg_DISPLAY.jpg

Zinilin
02-11-2015, 04:16 PM
Against my better judgement I bought another Glock! This one actually feels more sturdy than any Glock I've owned before it! Maybe Glock has fixed their plastic bricks finally!

http://images.mocpages.com/user_brickshelf_resized/gallery/Halofan92/G17/dscn3932.jpg_DISPLAY.jpg

That one is likely prohibited, it looks like it could easily be converted into an automatic, or a Ferris wheel, or a boat, or a space craft, or BBQ for GI Joe.

The similar 1911 is pink and also prohibited since it is easily converted into a BBQ for Ken.

Drache
02-11-2015, 04:53 PM
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm313/SUBrts/GlockKOOLAID.jpg

Funbar
02-11-2015, 05:24 PM
I'll just jump in and say that I hate Glocks.

They're just plain and ugly. Have no character what-so-ever. Did I mention they're ugly?

bettercallsaul
02-11-2015, 07:37 PM
Who cares if they are ugly? Besides, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I think Glocks look great in their simple utility. No flash, just substance.

I understand why people hate on brand names, it's an ego thing. People invest their ego in the objects they own. Some need to justify their choices by bashing the choices of others. I see this in the musical instrument community (Fender rules, Gibson sucks) and the car community (Honda sucks, Ford rules).

Frankly, it's juvenile if done seriously, and it's played out and overdone if done in jest.

Brands with die hard fanboys are easiest to make fun of. LaRue on the AR15.com forums comes to mind. Those are some disturbingly myopic folks. They ban people who diss LaRue.

I would put Glock in that category. Some people just take it too seriously.

Besides, we all know 1911's are paper weights. :)

Drache
02-11-2015, 07:52 PM
I just heard that Glock signed a contract with a well known company for a partnership on their Gen 5 line! This is the prototype the Glock just posted on their website!

http://i.imgur.com/joQh841.gif

Mark-II
02-11-2015, 10:10 PM
The innards are certainly elegant in their simplicity.

And it's saving grace is the use of Browning's tilting barrel system of operation, so there is at least a nod towards The Master ;)

But...eh, I don't shoot mine anymore.

Must be the lack of gun battles in the streets of Canada.

Shakeyjake
02-15-2015, 04:29 PM
Great vid.... It's been a few hours since I had a good laugh...
For some reason I think my glock still looks better than my PPX, but good lord they're both ugly pistols! They work good though.

FlyingHigh
02-16-2015, 01:13 PM
I don't own a handgun anymore, actually I don't have any restricteds at the moment. But...My name is FlyingHigh and I hate Glocks. Garbage grip, garbage fit and feel, garbage trigger, garbage pop culture since every wanna be thug thinks they're great....

I liked my M&P. That was a good gun.

Petamocto
02-16-2015, 01:27 PM
...My name is FlyingHigh and I hate Glocks...I liked my M&P. That was a good gun.

That's like saying you don't like cow sh!t, but you like horse sh!t. They're both garbage in comparison to other things that are out there. The M&P fits a bit nicer in the hand than a Glock, but has the worst trigger in the category.

awndray
02-16-2015, 02:39 PM
http://rs450.pbsrc.com/albums/qq223/tribo_bucket/beating-a-dead-horse.gif~c200

FlyingHigh
02-16-2015, 05:58 PM
That's like saying you don't like cow sh!t, but you like horse sh!t. They're both garbage in comparison to other things that are out there. The M&P fits a bit nicer in the hand than a Glock, but has the worst trigger in the category.

Well I dunno then. What would be a good gun? For me if a gun doesn't fit properly, it could be designed and built by God himself and I wouldn't like it.

I like the looks of 1911's, but they don't fit my hand well. Sigs aren't bad but not great. I had a Jericho 941, but again it didn't fit my hand well. I'm not a big fan of revolvers. Can't say I've tried much else to know better. :P

The only gun that I've found consistently comfortable is the M&P. The trigger is easily fixed with an Apex kit.

At the end of the day though, it's a moot point because I can't hit jack squat with a handgun...and I don't like shooting at ranges. LOL

superbad
02-16-2015, 06:04 PM
Apperantly everyone wants to be james bond around here lol

Petamocto
02-16-2015, 06:13 PM
Well I dunno then. What would be a good gun?

Excellent question.

What you need to do is decide on a type of gun you like, and go to your local gun store to have them bring everything out in that category. That's what I did for my 9mm, and it was the only way I could directly compare all of them at the same time. I got to see how they feel, compare the finish and build quality, test out the triggers, etc, and you can only do that in person.

One thing I can't stand is someone who only has experience with one thing who tells me what they have is the best. How TF do they know, when they've only touched on type of gun before?


Apperantly everyone wants to be james bond around here lol

Do you remember that action movie when they used an XDM because it was so awesome? Me neither.

Drache
02-16-2015, 06:36 PM
Do you remember that action movie when they used an XDM because it was so awesome? Me neither.

They are junk but have been used.

But Jason Stathom used one in Crank 1 & 2.
Elizabeth Rodriguez used one in Miami Vice.
Channing Tatum, Jonah Hill, and Dave Franco used them in 21 Jump Street.
Channing Tatum and Jamie Foxx used them in White House Down.
Jet Li used on in The Expendables 3.
Denzel Washington and Vitaliy Shtabnoy used them in The Equalizer.

FlyingHigh
02-16-2015, 07:57 PM
Excellent question.

What you need to do is decide on a type of gun you like, and go to your local gun store to have them bring everything out in that category. That's what I did for my 9mm, and it was the only way I could directly compare all of them at the same time. I got to see how they feel, compare the finish and build quality, test out the triggers, etc, and you can only do that in person.

One thing I can't stand is someone who only has experience with one thing who tells me what they have is the best. How TF do they know, when they've only touched on type of gun before?


That's what I did when I bought the M&P after selling my Jericho which didn't fit well. I handled every semi-auto that all 3 stores in town had in stock. The only one that was comfortable was the M&P.

Also, I never said the M&P was the best. It's been the best for me, and miles above the Glocks I've shot. I've fired the Jericho 941, M&P9 and 40, Sig P226, HK USP, Glock 17 and one other though I can't remember the model, Kimber Custom 1911, Para Ordnance 1911 and one or two others which obviously made too little of an impression to be remembered. I've also fired a few revolvers, but they're not really my thing. When it comes to Glock, they've been the worst I've ever shot.

superbad
02-18-2015, 01:08 AM
http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y414/hektoriuz/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG0667_zps7ezlgxf0.jpg (http://s1273.photobucket.com/user/hektoriuz/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG0667_zps7ezlgxf0.jpg.html)<a

with some ar 500 308 multihit plates :)
http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y414/hektoriuz/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG0661_zpsu9bik8rc.jpg (http://s1273.photobucket.com/user/hektoriuz/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG0661_zpsu9bik8rc.jpg.html)http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y414/hektoriuz/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG0449_zpsnx9ewljm.jpg (http://s1273.photobucket.com/user/hektoriuz/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG0449_zpsnx9ewljm.jpg.html)
http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y414/hektoriuz/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG0494_zps6bm4fyvy.jpg (http://s1273.photobucket.com/user/hektoriuz/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG0494_zps6bm4fyvy.jpg.html)
http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y414/hektoriuz/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG0668_zpspmayu7mf.jpg (http://s1273.photobucket.com/user/hektoriuz/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG0668_zpspmayu7mf.jpg.html)
double taps at 12 yards freestyle, strong hand and weak hand, low ready. As you can c a few flyers to the left. i really need to pull my left hand double taps in tighter, but freestyle voguel grip i put about 100 rounds thru the 3 major holes, glocks iz good.

Drache
02-18-2015, 01:44 AM
Never understood Glock guys bragging about 30 round mags. Really good for nothing than being a Range Ranger :p

Steveo9mm
02-18-2015, 02:07 AM
If i can only stuff 10 rounds in a mag, i see no point in wasting money on uber mags.

superbad
02-18-2015, 02:34 AM
If i can only stuff 10 rounds in a mag, i see no point in wasting money on uber mags.

i have my atf form 6 to shoot open class 3 gun next month at custer, USA. All you need to buy is a rivot machine and a drill. 3 gun goes on every month there and theres also puget sound 3 gun league, im 15 mins from the border. i can also unpin my 40 round pmags :)

superbad
02-18-2015, 02:37 AM
Never understood Glock guys bragging about 30 round mags. Really good for nothing than being a Range Ranger :p

im guessing you dont have your form 6 from the atf lol

http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y414/hektoriuz/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG0634_zpshcr5l7q8.jpg (http://s1273.photobucket.com/user/hektoriuz/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG0634_zpshcr5l7q8.jpg.html)

you can also run dual 40 round pmags if you like.

Steveo9mm
02-18-2015, 03:14 AM
i have my atf form 6 to shoot open class 3 gun next month at custer, USA. All you need to buy is a rivot machine and a drill. 3 gun goes on every month there and theres also puget sound 3 gun league, im 15 mins from the border. i can also unpin my 40 round pmags :)

im just a common gun owner. Range and crown land are as much as i do.

Drache
02-18-2015, 03:55 AM
im guessing you dont have your form 6 from the atf lol

What does that have to do with a 30 round mag for a Glock being nothing but a Range Ranger gadget?

superbad
02-18-2015, 06:18 PM
i also have my conceal carry permit in Arizona :)

Drache
02-18-2015, 06:51 PM
Let me guess you are the type that loves to wear fatigues and/or plate carrier to the range aren't ya? Dress up like an operator? :D

superbad
02-18-2015, 07:09 PM
wow.

harbl_the_cat
02-18-2015, 08:38 PM
Never understood Glock guys bragging about 30 round mags. Really good for nothing than being a Range Ranger :p

Or for being a Ravenwood contractor:

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/d/d5/11b.JPG/600px-11b.JPG

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/d/db/11a.JPG/800px-11a.JPG

Glocks are cool because of their ubiquity.

I agree with the post that they are hard to shoot well - but I think it's the best gun to instruct someone how to "catch the link" on the trigger reset, which I think is huge for overall marksmanship with any semi-auto.

I just coached a 17 year old the other day how to do it.

coastal
02-18-2015, 08:47 PM
Oh Ravenwood...I really wish they would have finished that series, it was actually quite good.

Camo tung
02-19-2015, 03:19 AM
i also have my conceal carry permit in Arizona :)

Someone is feeling special. Yawn.

Drache
02-19-2015, 07:51 AM
Someone is feeling special. Yawn.

But has he ever packed an MP5? Had an H&K 416 in the trunk of a company vehicle? Hiked the woods packing a G3? :p

kennymo
02-19-2015, 08:01 AM
But has he ever packed an MP5? Had an H&K 416 in the trunk of a company vehicle? Hiked the woods packing a G3? :p

This isn't going to turn into a thread about mounting an H&K to the 'tactical' electric golf cart you patrol the mall with, which you got permission to do after saving the mayor's nephew from being raped behind a dumpster?

Back to topic, when I want to squeeze a 2x4, I go to Home Depot. :p

Drache
02-19-2015, 08:16 AM
This isn't going to turn into a thread about mounting an H&K to the 'tactical' electric golf cart you patrol the mall with, which you got permission to do after saving the mayor's nephew from being raped behind a dumpster?

You mean like this? :D

http://i.imgur.com/GvpByln.jpg

kennymo
02-19-2015, 08:27 AM
You mean like this? :D

http://i.imgur.com/GvpByln.jpg

Now you're just showing off...:)

Drache
02-19-2015, 08:51 AM
Now you're just showing off...:)

Just to be clear that is an old picture :D

kennymo
02-19-2015, 08:56 AM
Just to be clear that is an old picture :D

Yeah, the couch is pretty dated.

bettercallsaul
02-19-2015, 11:54 AM
Glocks suck, c'mon now. It's a proven fact, I mean, why is the debate even open?

BTW, where is the 1911's suck thread? Or did the guy who started that one get banned already?

Camo tung
02-19-2015, 11:56 AM
Glocks suck, c'mon now. It's a proven fact, I mean, why is the debate even open?

BTW, where is the 1911's suck thread? Or did the guy who started that one get banned already?

Sacrilege!

bettercallsaul
02-19-2015, 12:03 PM
Sacrilege!

:la:

"Glocks suck" right up there with "9mm vs. 45acp" & "AK vs AR15" in terms of pointless troll topics.

Seriously though, if this thread can stand, someone should start a "1911 Hate Thread" & see what happens.

(FTR, I don't hate 1911's)

Camo tung
02-19-2015, 12:16 PM
:la:

"Glocks suck" right up there with "9mm vs. 45acp" & "AK vs AR15" in terms of pointless troll topics.

Seriously though, if this thread can stand, someone should start a "1911 Hate Thread" & see what happens.

(FTR, I don't hate 1911's)


Yup! Gun owners will argue it their graves, same idea with the the GM, Ford, Mopar lovers. Human nature I suppose. And for the record, I have a few "uncool" 1911's that hit where aimed and go boom with every trigger pull. Not of the Gold Cup or Delta Elite "quality" so I shoot them when no one is looking! ;D

bettercallsaul
02-19-2015, 12:24 PM
1911's are great. But I wouldn't want to carry one when I can have a lighter gun with more rounds.

Recreation? Home defense? Sure, 1911's all the way.

Going to war? Work as a cop or security guard? Wearing the gun all day? I'd rather have a Glock. It's just more practical.

I recently read a thread on "Why people hate Glocks." It had it's share of myopic guys, but for the most part, people were pretty rational. It came down to a bunch of factors that got summed up at the end of the thread before it was closed. Search up "Why people hate Glocks" on Google if you care to find it. It was either on AR15.com or M4Carbine.net.

Some people simply hate their slogan "Glock: Perfection" despite the pistol not being perfect.
Some people will never warm up to the idea of a polymer framed gun.
Some people only hate them because so many people like them. (trolling, essentially)
Some don't like the grip angle.

bettercallsaul
02-19-2015, 12:34 PM
:( I love meee Glock!!


http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h145/jonanddad2006/CGN/Glock1.jpg

As you should.

Glock owners, loud & proud. :)

Camo tung
02-19-2015, 12:35 PM
1911's are great. But I wouldn't want to carry one when I can have a lighter gun with more rounds.

Recreation? Home defense? Sure, 1911's all the way.

Going to war? Work as a cop or security guard? Wearing the gun all day? I'd rather have a Glock. It's just more practical.

I recently read a thread on "Why people hate Glocks." It had it's share of myopic guys, but for the most part, people were pretty rational. It came down to a bunch of factors that got summed up at the end of the thread before it was closed. Search up "Why people hate Glocks" on Google if you care to find it. It was either on AR15.com or M4Carbine.net.

Some people simply hate their slogan "Glock: Perfection" despite the pistol not being perfect.
Some people will never warm up to the idea of a polymer framed gun.
Some people only hate them because so many people like them. (trolling, essentially)
Some don't like the grip angle.

My only gripe was with the grip. The RTF just felt too unfinished to me, and the little rib or ledge above my thumb on the top of the grip just felt so wrong in my hand. Never got to shoot it, just bad ergonomics for me. I like the tried and true brick (1911) but REALLY liked the 92F in my hand.

harbl_the_cat
02-19-2015, 12:56 PM
Oh Ravenwood...I really wish they would have finished that series, it was actually quite good.

Polo shirt tucked into tan cargo pants with a 1.25" belt. I call that the "Contractor casual" look. I like going into work dressed like that. I think anytime I take one of my Glock 19's to the range, I'll dress that way too.

I also think it's fun teaching new guys (especially teenagers) how to shoot with Glocks:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAir4sLRi0g&

Drache
02-19-2015, 02:14 PM
1911's are great. But I wouldn't want to carry one when I can have a lighter gun with more rounds.

Recreation? Home defense? Sure, 1911's all the way.

Going to war? Work as a cop or security guard? Wearing the gun all day? I'd rather have a Glock. It's just more practical.

I recently read a thread on "Why people hate Glocks." It had it's share of myopic guys, but for the most part, people were pretty rational. It came down to a bunch of factors that got summed up at the end of the thread before it was closed. Search up "Why people hate Glocks" on Google if you care to find it. It was either on AR15.com or M4Carbine.net.

Some people simply hate their slogan "Glock: Perfection" despite the pistol not being perfect.
Some people will never warm up to the idea of a polymer framed gun.
Some people only hate them because so many people like them. (trolling, essentially)
Some don't like the grip angle.

I'm not a big fan of 1911's myself. I've owned many although mostly the "GI" styles. I'm hoping the one I get from Seraphim in 9mm changes my mind.

As for Glocks.

I do not like the grip angle or the grip itself
I'm not a huge fan on striker fired sidearms
I'm not a big fan of polymer sidearms
They claim they can shoot reliably underwater yet anytime myself or friends (yes I have friends) tried it, they did not.
Way too many pictures of them after going Kaboom for my liking.

Weekend Gunslingers
02-19-2015, 02:17 PM
I'm not a big fan of 1911's myself. I've owned many although mostly the "GI" styles. I'm hoping the one I get from Seraphim in 9mm changes my mind.

As for Glocks.

I do not like the grip angle or the grip itself
I'm not a huge fan on striker fired sidearms
I'm not a big fan of polymer sidearms
They claim they can shoot reliably underwater yet anytime myself or friends (yes I have friends) tried it, they did not.
Way too many pictures of them after going Kaboom for my liking.

Don't they have the maritime spring cups for the underwater thing? I think I saw a video on it ages ago.

Drache
02-19-2015, 02:21 PM
Don't they have the maritime spring cups for the underwater thing? I think I saw a video on it ages ago.

Yes if I remember those came out after people called them out on the underwater shooting advertising.

That being said, half the testing we did wasn't even underwater. Drop gun into bucket of water at room temperature, pull gun out, shoot. 99% of the time the glock failed to fire the first round (so did S&W M&P9 btw).

Straight underwater shooting was a crap shoot anyways with any gun.

kennymo
02-19-2015, 02:30 PM
My only gripe was with the grip. The RTF just felt too unfinished to me, and the little rib or ledge above my thumb on the top of the grip just felt so wrong in my hand. Never got to shoot it, just bad ergonomics for me. I like the tried and true brick (1911) but REALLY liked the 92F in my hand.

My biggest issue with the Glock as well. The trigger is not great, but is far from unusable. They just don't sit well in my paws, I can however shoot quite well with my buddy's G17. I did some shooting with a cop buddy as well and his issue G21 with un-neutered magazines. It's fun to go past ten.... My M&P is head and shoulders above for comfort, reliability wise about the same as far as I'm concerned. I do enjoy the anti Glock banter though, a couple friends are huge fanboys, I like to remind one about his TWO FTF/FTE incidents, while my M&P has always gone bang. :).

harbl_the_cat
02-19-2015, 10:38 PM
I'm not a big fan of 1911's myself. I've owned many although mostly the "GI" styles. I'm hoping the one I get from Seraphim in 9mm changes my mind.

As for Glocks.

I do not like the grip angle or the grip itself
I'm not a huge fan on striker fired sidearms
I'm not a big fan of polymer sidearms
They claim they can shoot reliably underwater yet anytime myself or friends (yes I have friends) tried it, they did not.
Way too many pictures of them after going Kaboom for my liking.

I think this Glock KB thing is a bit silly.

IIRC, the myth of KB Glocks stems from the partially supported chamber combined with fools loading .40 S&W way to hot - which isn't a problem with the gun, but of the fool doing the reloading.

The partially supported chamber, I've found, makes the glock MUCH more reliable and way less picky with ammo than other handguns I've fired (although I haven't owned a newer, polymer, striker fired gun). If you're not a moron and reloading ammo with a safe charge - you have nothing to worry about (I've ran thousands of my own loads through many of my glocks - no KB).

As for the trigger - I think it's easier to do controlled pairs with the really tactile reset on the Glock than any other trigger. I see why some folks don't like it - it is a bit heavier than a Sig with more travel than a 1911 - but I think for run and gun that's actually a more desirable feature to have - it's too easy to pull a shot otherwise.

I think it's really just the safety in numbers game. I suspect there's more Glocks in Canada than any other handgun - ergo, I think it's the safest bet that if things go sour with imports or governments, there won't be any shortage of parts for them.

Also - Dr. Gordan Freeman was packing a Glock 17 in the original Half Life (before they lamed it up and gave him a Beretta 92FS) - so that alone gives the Glock HUGE cred IMO. I guess the Black Mesa team gave him a Glock 19...

http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/5/4384/glock_release11_002.jpg

Drache
02-19-2015, 10:55 PM
I think this Glock KB thing is a bit silly.

IIRC, the myth of KB Glocks stems from the partially supported chamber combined with fools loading .40 S&W way to hot - which isn't a problem with the gun, but of the fool doing the reloading.

The partially supported chamber, I've found, makes the glock MUCH more reliable and way less picky with ammo than other handguns I've fired (although I haven't owned a newer, polymer, striker fired gun). If you're not a moron and reloading ammo with a safe charge - you have nothing to worry about (I've ran thousands of my own loads through many of my glocks - no KB).

But it still stands, do a google image search of Glock Kaboom and you will find hundreds of guns that went kaboom for some reason or another. Do the same for Sig Kaboom. I bet you'll find 10 different Glocks or more for every one Sig.

The reason isn't because Glocks are built poorly. It's the fact the polymer guns just don't stand up as well as a metal sidearm especially to mistakes it seems.

As for Gordon, it was a lack of choice. Use a Glock or a Crowbar :p

harbl_the_cat
02-19-2015, 11:51 PM
But it still stands, do a google image search of Glock Kaboom and you will find hundreds of guns that went kaboom for some reason or another. Do the same for Sig Kaboom. I bet you'll find 10 different Glocks or more for every one Sig.

The reason isn't because Glocks are built poorly. It's the fact the polymer guns just don't stand up as well as a metal sidearm especially to mistakes it seems.

As for Gordon, it was a lack of choice. Use a Glock or a Crowbar :p

I suspect there's WAY more Glock owners than Sig owners and I equally suspect if someone improperly loaded ammo into a Sig (or any other gun for that matter) it will KB.

There's a lot of morons out there that don't know how to read simple instructions.

Moreover - if it's such a big issue, why do so many agencies issue them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock#Users

Do you think they all got it wrong?

Drache
02-20-2015, 12:20 AM
Do you think they all got it wrong?

First off Glock spends 4x more money on advertising than any other gun manufacturer. Second, Police Forces have tight budgets. Glock is that balance between cheap and dependable, as well as Officer purchasing discounts for an entire Police Force. Not to mention Police Forces use factory loaded ammo so will rarely have a problem with hot loads. There is a saying about the Space Shuttles used to send astronauts into space. "We put our lives into something that has 17,000,000 parts built by the lowest bidder" :D

For the longest time Glock advised against using any form of +P ammunition in their firearms.

Like I said, I'm not saying Glock is built cheaply. They are Polymer. And like all polymer guns, they are dependable as long as you never have a mistake with one. Then they seem to turn into a grenade.

Calibre
02-20-2015, 12:42 AM
There are two very real deficiencies in the Glock pistol that I've come across, and one of them has been solved with the current pistols. The first problem is simply that they aren't as stiff as other pistols. Even other polymer pistols are more rigid.

The second was a problem with the Gen 1 and 2 pistols (IIRC, could be some Gen 3's with this affliction too) in which the rails in the steel insert were formed over a mandrel in such a manner than the interior of the 90 degree bend was a sharp 90 degree angle. Combine this with the more flexible frame, and it created a situation where the frame could flex inside the slide, and repeated flexing of the frame from even slight amounts of pressure (even in a holster) could pop one of the frame insert's four guide rails off. And once one of the rails breaks, the slide is free to flex in such a manner that the striker is released. And eventually, after this has happened a bunch of times, the striker peens over the safety block and hits the primer. Bad things generally follow. They've since fixed this problem by forming the rails with a curve rather than a sharp angle.

As for the matter of their ubiquity... well, a lot more goes into a procurement contract than simply "is this the best gun." We're actually planning an article on precisely that, as it's something that is becoming (in my opinion) a serious problem for the average gun consumer. "Our product is approved for use by SEAL Team 6, Ninjas, and Space Pirates" has become so commonplace that military or agency approvals have become about as common in the gun world as celebrity endorsements in the sports world, and have about as much merit as Tiger Wood's endorsement of a truth serum. The reality is that procurement contracts typically weight post-purchase service equally or even more highly than the gun's actual merits. Note, this isn't a slight against Glock, it's merely a statement of fact. Oftentimes the best pistol for a police officer is a different pistol than the best pistol for a police agency, as the agency will need parts and service support on a scale way beyond that of the individual. So, just as the iPod begat it's own popularity through the ubiquity of it's accessories and interfaced systems (such as iPod-only clock radios, stereos, and cars) Glock has become the ubiquitous service pistol by virtue of placing a HUGE amount of importance on the post-sale service they provide as a company. Coincidentally, Glock is the only foreign firearm manufacturer that has an employee on it's payroll in Canada... all other manufacturers rely on contractors. And that's why Glock controls the police market in Canada; they're committed to providing their fleet customers with a direct source of parts and service. Does that make a Glock pistol better than a Sig? No, but it makes a fleet of Glock pistols better for a police agency than a fleet of Sig pistols.







But I still prefer my M&P9 or Steyr M9A1.

kennymo
02-20-2015, 06:39 AM
"Our product is approved for use by SEAL Team 6, Ninjas, and Space Pirates"

Lol

harbl_the_cat
02-20-2015, 08:00 AM
There are two very real deficiencies in the Glock pistol that I've come across, and one of them has been solved with the current pistols. The first problem is simply that they aren't as stiff as other pistols. Even other polymer pistols are more rigid.

The second was a problem with the Gen 1 and 2 pistols (IIRC, could be some Gen 3's with this affliction too) in which the rails in the steel insert were formed over a mandrel in such a manner than the interior of the 90 degree bend was a sharp 90 degree angle. Combine this with the more flexible frame, and it created a situation where the frame could flex inside the slide, and repeated flexing of the frame from even slight amounts of pressure (even in a holster) could pop one of the frame insert's four guide rails off. And once one of the rails breaks, the slide is free to flex in such a manner that the striker is released. And eventually, after this has happened a bunch of times, the striker peens over the safety block and hits the primer. Bad things generally follow. They've since fixed this problem by forming the rails with a curve rather than a sharp angle.

As for the matter of their ubiquity... well, a lot more goes into a procurement contract than simply "is this the best gun." We're actually planning an article on precisely that, as it's something that is becoming (in my opinion) a serious problem for the average gun consumer. "Our product is approved for use by SEAL Team 6, Ninjas, and Space Pirates" has become so commonplace that military or agency approvals have become about as common in the gun world as celebrity endorsements in the sports world, and have about as much merit as Tiger Wood's endorsement of a truth serum. The reality is that procurement contracts typically weight post-purchase service equally or even more highly than the gun's actual merits. Note, this isn't a slight against Glock, it's merely a statement of fact. Oftentimes the best pistol for a police officer is a different pistol than the best pistol for a police agency, as the agency will need parts and service support on a scale way beyond that of the individual. So, just as the iPod begat it's own popularity through the ubiquity of it's accessories and interfaced systems (such as iPod-only clock radios, stereos, and cars) Glock has become the ubiquitous service pistol by virtue of placing a HUGE amount of importance on the post-sale service they provide as a company. Coincidentally, Glock is the only foreign firearm manufacturer that has an employee on it's payroll in Canada... all other manufacturers rely on contractors. And that's why Glock controls the police market in Canada; they're committed to providing their fleet customers with a direct source of parts and service. Does that make a Glock pistol better than a Sig? No, but it makes a fleet of Glock pistols better for a police agency than a fleet of Sig pistols.







But I still prefer my M&P9 or Steyr M9A1.

Re: Gen1 Glocks, wasn't there a factory upgrade for the issue you described?

I actually take Glocks business model as a good sign. The fact that they invest good amount of time warranting and supporting their product post delivery suggests two things - first that they believe their product of sufficient quality to actually field dedicated support staff. That's not to say they believe their product is perfect (despite their advertising slogans) but rather that they have enough confidence in their product that they are willing to support it. Post delivery support is actually much more expensive than and less lucrative than pre-delivery quality assurance - especially for a poorly developed product.

Second that by doing so, they are able to inimately collect data from the field to inject into their manufacturing and engineering process. In field (production testing, in the IT world) testing I think is the best testing to refine and continuously improve a product (I'm a quality assurance professional - so I make that statement professionally).

Good quality assurance and quality control means being able to deliver a product to the end consumer that meets their requirements without adding excessive cost to the manufacturing/development process.

It DOESNT mean delivering a perfect (or even the best) product since perfection is expensive and often times unnecessary.

To that end, I think Glocks are even cooler (than just being the gun of choice for Gordon Freeman) better understanding Glocks business model. If what you say is true (and I believe you), there's a better chance that there's libraries of field service reports from actual end users in the annals of Glock's R&D labs and the finished product reflects that.

OEM
02-20-2015, 08:18 PM
Back to topic, when I want to squeeze a 2x4, I go to Home Depot. :p

That right there says it all. I like my CZ.


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