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08-22-2014, 09:42 AM
Cliché alert: Grits 'rolling up their sleeves' for Canada

But when are they going to start to tell us what it is they stand for?

The Liberals are "rolling up their sleeves" for Canadians.


We know that because Liberal leader Justin Trudeau dug repeatedly into his bag of clichés for that one when speaking to reporters covering this week's caucus retreat in Edmonton.

"We've had a good year, really rolled up the sleeves, drawing together a great team across the country, strong candidates, putting forward serious proposals for Canadians,'' he said on Tuesday.

Or when asked on Wednesday if he wants to win a majority in the 2015 election.

"The one thing we've heard across this country, everywhere we go, from Canadians we meet, is that they're tired of the approach, the tone, the lack of ambition of Mr. Harper's government,'' Trudeau replied.

"They want a better government, and we are rolling up our sleeves and connecting with Canadian right across the country.''

All right then. Forearms bared, nose to the grindstone, burning the midnight oil.
The message here is clearly that the Liberals are working hard, putting together a team of candidates, listening to what Canadians are saying, coming up with policies that respond to what they've heard. We get it.
That's not a bad message for a political leader to be delivering while Parliament is in recess and while most Canadians are in short sleeves enjoying summer.

It's probably also an unavoidable one for Trudeau whose party has just 37 seats, and needs its leader to spend much of his time working to rebuild and re-brand the Liberals.
The problem is that, the current batch of clichés aside, Trudeau has been saying the same thing for the past year. Coming out of the Liberal's caucus retreat last summer in PEI, he spoke about his commitment to "meaningful consultation and working with Canadians to build a platform'' that reflects their priorities.
But what are those policies? Trudeau isn't saying. Not until the election campaign begins in 2015.

That's the safe and cautious thing to do. It's what the Liberals did with great success in 1993 when they first produced — a week into the election campaign — their Red Book of policies, and swept back to power after eight years on the outside.
It's now standard operating procedure for virtually every political party: Slam the government. Promise to do things differently. But don't get into specifics.

"If we put out a good idea, it will be stolen,'' says one Liberal MP. "We put out a bad idea and we get hammered.''
Liberals say the only demand for detailed policy comes from the media. Voters, they say, appreciate that Trudeau and his caucus are taking the time to consult, and to get it right.
But there's a downside to being so cautious. And repetitive.
First, when Trudeau has announced policy — think legalizing pot, or demanding Liberal candidates support a woman's right to choose when it comes to abortion — he's kick-started a debate.

It's not all been positive. Trudeau was criticized for appearing to close the door on any candidates who oppose abortion (one wag noted that even the Pope himself couldn't run as a Liberal), but neither has it all been negative.
And that is despite the efforts of the Conservatives, in particular, to paint him as dangerously naive and not up to the job of leading the country.

Another downside is the lack of clarity.
Public opinion polls suggest Trudeau has tapped into voter concerns when he speaks about the struggles facing middle-class Canadians.
But he still isn't saying how the Liberals intend to address them. Or how the Liberals believe government can help create more manufacturing jobs in central Canada, or how to address the persistent problem of youth unemployment.
The constant answer is wait until the election. It's also the answer even on other, more specific issues.

Trudeau has said, for example, that the Liberals would scrap the First Nations Financial Transparency Act but would bring in legislation with the same goals on transparency and accountability.
So how would it be different? He says it would be more focused on empowering First Nations. Any other details will have to wait.

Liberals argue politicians of all stripes and in every country play some version of this policy striptease to try to gain some sort of advantage.
Since Trudeau became leader, public opinion polls consistently show the Liberals ahead among decided voters. The party's raised more money, and signed up more members. He has recruited high-profile candidates, and taken seats from both the Conservatives and the NDP in byelections.
But none of that means the party will necessarily hold the public's imagination on what it wants to do with power, especially when NDP leader Tom Mulcair and Stephen Harper are much more experienced, and have a proven grasp of policy.

Trudeau, himself, appears to be aware of the challenge ahead.
"People have grown incredibly cynical about politics. They are voting against rather than voting for a government,'' he said this week.
"We need them to realize that we can pull together and offer a solid plan for the future that actually inspires people to roll up their sleeves and be part of the political process."

And in the spirit of one cliché deserves another, there's no time like the present to begin laying out that plan.


08-22-2014, 09:48 AM
I'd like to say this is a decent dressing down, but I can only give the author 4 points, as mentioning the Red Book without mentioning how it was thrown out gets you a minus 6.

This picture that was in the article is also good for minus 3, as the clever angle shows JT as some form of man-mountain while Wynne looks ready to faint from her proximity to such amazing hair.

I would also now like the CBC to dedicate some time to the other parties that are in third place, curious to see when that happens.

08-22-2014, 11:21 AM
And that's about the only critique from the CBC you may ever hear on Justin,, next week it will be more of the same,, either give him a pass for a stupid comment / policy (see abortion issue) or present an amazing new poll with him in the lead.

CBC days are numbered I hope.

08-22-2014, 09:43 PM
It's an old game, but it's a risk. In 1994, things were very different. The public was entirely fed up with the PC party, Kim Campbell had been leader for 6 months and had never run a campaign, there was little to distinguish the PC from teh libs in general and there was thigns like the GST and Free Trade deal which Canadians were very suspicious of, which the libs campaigned against (and subsequently kept it's worth noting).

This time, while people don't like harper they DO respect his financial track record. He'll be talking about LESS taxes, not new taxes. And everyone knows we need more trade deals to reduce our dependency on the US.

The shiney pony however has no track record. The liberal party's track record is severely tarnished. Harper will be reducing taxes, not adding new ones and the libs won't be able to say they'll cut MORE taxes, they'll have to say they're either keeping taxes as is or raising them for select groups.

And they'll have the ndp nipping at their heels and presenting another alternative.

So - with all that in mind, will they have enough time to SELL their message? Will people be able to believe in their message in a short time and will it significantly stand out from the CPC? AND the ndp for that matter?

Compounding this issue si that justin is a decent speaker when he has a script and a friendly audience, but he's HORRBILE at unscripted questions and debates and the like, and there's a lot of that in campains. I think if the campaign wobbles even a little bit he'll have a very difficult time recovering. Reporter are merciless when they smell blood, as dion found out, and they really don't care who's with what party when there's hot news.

Justin better have a very exciting story to tell or he is not going to like the result.

08-23-2014, 12:50 AM
Compounding this issue si that justin is a decent speaker when he has a script and a friendly audience, but he's HORRBILE at unscripted questions and debates and the like, and there's a lot of that in campaigns.

Sarah Palin. "Spectacularly unqualified."

08-23-2014, 09:52 AM
Blah, blah, blah. Does anyone really take this young inexperienced playboy seriously. Is the public that disinterested in politics to let charlatans run amok. I guess that last statement was rhetorical. The name calling, immature behaviour that is Canadian politics is ramping up again for another exciting episode. The only challenge Trudeau has is to convince people he's serious.....

08-23-2014, 10:07 AM
"This time, while people don't like harper"

Why is that Foxer? I had the opportunity to meet him briefly after they defanged the CWB, he actually gave the impression of just being a normal, nice guy. Compared to other politicians I've met, even ones in the Conservative party, night and day difference.

08-23-2014, 10:29 AM
"This time, while people don't like harper"

Why is that Foxer? I had the opportunity to meet him briefly after they defanged the CWB, he actually gave the impression of just being a normal, nice guy. Compared to other politicians I've met, even ones in the Conservative party, night and day difference.

Perception of public officials rarely reflects reality :) People don't like harper for several reasons. In public, he comes across as having little personality and little compassion. There is little 'flair' about him, he doesn't roll up his sleeves for tv, his hair cut is 'functional' at best and might lead viewers to speculate on whether or not he owns a flowbee, his tone in speeches is rarely inspiring, even if the words are, and we hear very little about his home life. And worst of all, he doesn't always tell people what they want to hear or sugar coat things.

In short - people don't like him for much the same reason they don't like lawyers. He's Professional. Not personable. He does things they don't like and doesn't really apologize for it if it's the right thing to do in his opinion. He doesn't play to the media and try to win them over, he tells them to get the hell out of his way and let him do his job.

That's why it went over so well when he did that beetles number a few years back - suddenly in everyone's eyes he was human for a moment.

If you were to just hang out with him it might well be a very very different impression you walk away with compared to how he looks in public. But - it's too late to change that now. Remember the 'sweater' incident? :)

What people like is the results he gets. His policies and actions made a huge difference getting us thru the recession far better off than anyone else. Crime is down. Taxes are down. We're getting out of deficit and unlike the last time we DIDN'T do it by dumping massive costs down onto the provinces. In fact he's increased provincial spending. Gun owners like that he killed the registry and is dong more besides. And families will LOVE the income splitting, it'll save them thousands in taxes.

And he tends to keep his word. He says "if elected I'll do this" and that's what he does - and if he doesn't there's a damn good reason (like the supreme court says he can't or the like).

He rarely does something just because he thinks it'll be popular, the way Martin did for example.

In the end - the same things that have made him successful as a leader and a prime minister and have made canada better are the very things that prevent people from really liking him as a person. And that's ok. IF you don't have a charismatic man, you better have a charismatic plan and that's what he does bring to the table. When he says "I can do this", people bloody well believe him.

He just needs to have a solid plan going into the next election that people can get excited about, because with his track record they'll believe him if he says he can do it. Shiny pony - not so much. People will wonder if he can or will deliver on any of his promises. So if harper's plan looks good, even if trudeau's sounds better people will tend to go with a bird in the hand rather than take a risk on a hairstyle in the bush.

killer kane
08-23-2014, 08:54 PM
Too bad, he does like kittens though, that's not evil,is it?

08-23-2014, 09:34 PM
Too bad, he does like kittens though, that's not evil,is it?

It is in my books. :) But i'm sure he's a nice guy generally anyway.