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Spectre
05-07-2012, 03:12 PM
I was thinking about picking up some night optics (hand-held or goggle type) for night hiking/camping/outdoors type application. I was leaning toward the FLIR stuff do to the quick and easy object identification, and being non light dependent. Some reviews point out that gen 3 NV has much better clarity, but again objects are not as easily identified. Unfortunatly the FLIR stuff is down tuned to 9hz refresh rate for us lowly civilians. Can a guy even get gen 3 stuff up here? Pricing is a factor of course, I think I would be in the range of 5 large, definitely not top end but hopefully something usable and not disappointing. Any input would be appreciated.

lone-wolf
05-07-2012, 03:54 PM
Never seen it for sale, might be able to get some European made stuff imported.

TV-PressPass
07-18-2012, 09:48 AM
I'd get both. Spend 2 grand on the starter FLIR, and then 3 grand on a decent mountable NVD. The FLIR stuff I've played with is definitely a cut above any of the NVDs I play with:


http://youtu.be/ikqXNtXIZ0w

Baker
07-18-2012, 10:23 AM
I'd get both. Spend 2 grand on the starter FLIR, and then 3 grand on a decent mountable NVD. The FLIR stuff I've played with is definitely a cut above any of the NVDs I play with:


http://youtu.be/ikqXNtXIZ0w

That rifle is beautiful lol.

TV-PressPass
07-19-2012, 12:12 PM
Thanks man. I like it. Now to get some thermal untis on there

Spectre
07-21-2012, 11:15 AM
Well, I ended up opting for the FLIR unit, and got a PS-32. It's a pretty cool little unit, easy enough to throw into a pack and take with you. It's definitely sensitive, you can pick up heat signatures of someone's foot steps on hardwood floors, and also identify joist and stud locations with a finished structure quite easily. It was fun to play when we were out camping the other weekend as well. Now to save up for some gen III NV...

TV-PressPass
07-21-2012, 02:15 PM
Thats awesome man. The PS-32 is the best weight and highest quality sensor I've seen. Sounds like a solid setup.

Benito
02-20-2015, 11:15 AM
I am not yet ready (or able) to get into the NV/FLIR game, but I am interested in helmet-mounting a FLIR/thermal system. I haven't seen anything like that yet. Just head mounted NV and weapon-mounted or hand-held thermal sights.

coastal
02-20-2015, 11:33 AM
So 2 years later, what's the technology like for us civilians?

coastal
02-20-2015, 11:35 AM
I like the idea of flir, and it could have some cool practical benefits like finding cold sources in building envelopes.

TV-PressPass
02-20-2015, 12:24 PM
I'm in the middle of putting together an NV roundup that will compare things like the FLIR ONE with proper FLIR monoculars with Image Intensified NV with Digital systems.


I am not yet ready (or able) to get into the NV/FLIR game, but I am interested in helmet-mounting a FLIR/thermal system. I haven't seen anything like that yet. Just head mounted NV and weapon-mounted or hand-held thermal sights.

There are helmet mountable FLIR systems, some fancy, some not so fancy:

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5471/10674231564_6e66460dc3_c.jpg

http://www.armasight.com/img/catalogue/thermal_imaging/additional/188/FLIR-Recon-M24-03-03-b.jpg



So 2 years later, what's the technology like for us civilians?

FLIR just released the Scout IIs at Shot Show, so the handhelds now have better definition on their output screen. The new version is able to do capture photos and videos too, which is how I took these shots in the Venetian:

http://cdn.net.outdoorhub.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/01/outdoorhub-flir-releases-new-scout-ii-thermal-monocular-2015-01-22_15-19-19.png

At the CSAAA show last weekend Wolverine had their ATN XS Sight on display too. I'm usually leery of ATN, my first two NVD's were from them and I didn't exactly feel like I got my money's worth. The new sight is Digital, and under $800. Digital is usually a big nono for me, but at that price it's definitely got the right feature list: lots of wireless options so you can use a phone or ipad to do the finicky things like change reticle, zero, etc.

The only thing of course with digital is: how well does it actually work at night? The XS seemed good in daylight, but at night you're relying on how much IR light you can pump into the scene. I'm curious to tinker with one in the dark and see if the image holds up.

RangeBob
02-22-2015, 05:27 AM
Another advantage of FLIR is you can tell if your Hot Pockets are done.

HEAT MAP Microwave- a NEW invention
Feb 11, 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptkzzNaZb7U

Tactical72
02-22-2015, 07:53 AM
Another advantage of FLIR is you can tell if your Hot Pockets are done.

HEAT MAP Microwave- a NEW invention
Feb 11, 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptkzzNaZb7U

OMG! I want that!


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Petamocto
02-22-2015, 08:34 AM
Here is the easiest way to look at the pros/cons of light-enhancing vs thermal.

Thermal:
It works day and night to help you see things you wouldn't otherwise see. A camouflaged animal sitting still will show up like a glowing ball.
You can't see through glass, so if you look at a building or car the window will show up as a solid rectangle because the glass is all the same colour. Not usually a big deal, but it's a factor.
Generally the colder it is, the easier it is to see contrasting things. The hotter it gets in the summer, the closer it gets to the temperature of the heat that animals produce. Good imagers can still generally still pick them out, though.
Can see through light fog/rain, although not that far.

Light-enhancing:
It's seeing in the dark, that's it. You can't see anything you wouldn't be able to see in daylight. If something is camouflaged and not moving, you're still not going to see it (camo to mean texture and covered with some grass, not colour).
You can see through glass no problem, be it cars or buildings.
Unless you get an expensive one, since their purpose is the magnify light they are susceptible to being washed out by things that make light. Camp fire, street lights, headlights, etc all practically wash-out everything else.
Great for stargazing! Likely not the reason you'll buy it, but the first time you look at the sky and see a sky that looks like it's made out of glistening diamonds that your normal eyes can't see, you'll be in awe.

RangeBob
02-22-2015, 08:55 AM
Resolution is important.

By way of example of far too low:
Mastercraft Maximum Thermal Imager, Product #57-4582-6, Regular $799, goes on sale for 50% off frequently.
http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/mastercraft-maximum-thermal-imager-0574582p.html

Resolution: Thermal display resolution: 12X16 pixel array (interpolated), Object termperature range: -20 to 300C

Call-sign_ENIGMA
02-22-2015, 11:37 PM
Wtf? Mastercraft makes thermal imaging products?

TV-PressPass
02-23-2015, 01:21 PM
Wtf? Mastercraft makes thermal imaging products?

Dont do it man. Don't do it.

12x16 pixel array is next to useless.

coastal
02-26-2015, 10:21 PM
While searching for paintball stuff today I just came across this at a paintball/airsoft shop, their selection is huge! It's all special order, but at least you can see prices and options.


http://www.milsig.ca/night-vision-thermal-imaging-systems-c-559_570

http://www.milsig.ca/night-vision-night-vision-weapon-mountable-c-559_561

http://www.milsig.ca/night-vision-night-vision-monoculars-c-559_560

Swampdonkey
02-27-2015, 12:54 AM
The price hasn't come down as much as it should've.

TV-PressPass
02-27-2015, 10:39 AM
That's the issue with GSCI. Scout Basecamp sold (sells) their stuff too, but being Canadian made the price is through the roof.

If only FLIR could get export paperwork for their Thermosight RS (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/01/14/flir-thermosight-rs-civilian-rifle-scope-hands-on/) units. $3500 starting point for a serious thermal riflescope.