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05-09-2012, 12:52 PM
Good on Vic Toews, the federal Public Safety minister, who seems to have heard (and heeded) reports in Sun Media that provincial chief firearms officers (CFOs) were attempting to build a new firearms registry via the backdoor.

In a strongly-worded letter sent Tuesday to the RCMP commissioner and the director-general of the federal firearms program, Toews writes that if the CFOs in the 10 provinces are indeed telling gun-shop owners to keep track of the names and addresses of who is buying guns, as well as the make, model and serial number of the guns they are buying, then the CFOs are "attempting to collect data that they are no longer authorized to collect."

"To be clear," Toews emphasises, "the Firearms Act does not authorize this activity.

"The Canadian Firearms Program (which directs the CFOs) and the RCMP at large are to provide no assistance or direction to any province seeking to undertake measures of this nature." And, "if it comes to your attention that CFOs are interpreting the Firearms Act as a basis for unauthorized data collection, please advise me immediately. I am prepared to consider all legislative and regulatory measures necessary to give effect to the will of Canadians."

Seems straightforward enough.

In February, when it was obvious the federal government was finally going to succeed in passing legislation to dismantle the registry, the CFOs apparently gathered at a national meeting to strategize on how they could continue to gather as much information as possible about who was buying and owning guns.

These firearms bureaucrats allegedly believed they could require gun-shop owners to keep ledgers full of personal information on customers because while the law to dismantle the registry forbid the maintenance of "direct" records i.e. on centralized government computers it didn't expressly forbid records being kept indirectly at gun stores.

But while Bill C-19 may not have included a ban on what the CFOs were trying to do, their scheme clearly violated the spirit of the bill.

As Sheldon Clare, president of the National Firearms Association explains, the law "clearly states that non-restricted firearms such as rifles and shotguns are no longer to be considered controlled items so there were no longer to be records kept of these transactions."

In fact, as Clare points out, the idea of making gun-shop owners record personal information about buyers "was specifically raised in committee on two occasions, thoroughly discussed and voted down each time. So the CFOs' plan is an egregious attempt to circumvent the will of Parliament."

Toews' instructions to the RCMP and federal firearms bureaucrats are nothing more, then, than an attempt to ensure the registry-ending bill is implemented as passed. He saw an end-run around Canadians' elected representatives and moved to stop it.

But forgive me if I keep an eye on Toews. After all, it seems clear to me he was only too happy to let the CFOs get away with their plan until it was uncovered.

Sources inside the government caucus also insist that Toews' original draft bill to eliminate the registry included a clause that would have kept the existing registry data. There was even a provision for transferring registry files to the provinces should they want to create their own registries, as Quebec does.

But Prime Minister Stephen Harper and much of the caucus are said to have gone ballistic and ordered Toews to reword the bill to include erasure of the database.

The minister's instincts were initially to keep the registry alive in all but name. So it is vital that he prove his commitment to stamping out all vestiges of registration by following through on his latest letter.


05-09-2012, 12:55 PM
Don't get to far ahead of ourselves!

The Ontario CFO so far says they will ignore Vic Toews' letter.


05-09-2012, 12:57 PM
From what I read it appears that the CFO is ignoring Toews' letter, and waiting for the RCMP/CFC to decide how to continue.

This to me indicates a clear contempt for parliament and the law as passed by the majority Gov.

This ladies and gentleman is the definition of a police state!

05-09-2012, 12:57 PM
Lets hope they do that way it will give reason to eliminate them, thus opening up a whole review of the program to begin with.

05-09-2012, 02:53 PM
Next time I get a speeding ticket or parking ticket quess I will toss it and cite CFO I will not Go

Rory McCanuck
05-09-2012, 04:12 PM
^ Let us know how that goes for ya lol

Maybe this will finally drive it home that the system is broken,
and is beyond repair. Only a complete reworking, from a clean slate,
will produce anything that is workable.

C Broad Arrow
05-09-2012, 09:25 PM
I think this is terrific. I love the way the CFO is thumbing his nose at Toews and Parliament. Even more I love the way he is waiting for direction from the RCMP. I hope the CFO and his staff really push even harder against the federal government so that Ontario gets its backdoor registry. Because this is the way in which he unwittingly will draw the publics attention to what we have been saying for almost 20 years. It will expose the system for what it is and will ultimately bring about its downfall.

05-09-2012, 09:52 PM

05-11-2012, 08:17 AM
Im waiting to see if Toews has the back bone to actually do something about all this BS, With all due respect to the OP, if you want to talk Canadian gun owners savior IMHO it would be Solomon Friedman...

05-11-2012, 09:08 AM
Im waiting to see if Toews has the back bone to actually do something about all this BS, With all due respect to the OP, if you want to talk Canadian gun owners savior IMHO it would be Solomon Friedman...

That was the news headline not my personal feelings, please check the full news article