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Mad Hatter
10-05-2014, 10:41 AM
So earlier this year I bought a 1954 Win 1894 .30-30. Now I have decided to take my hunters' ed course and do a little hunting now and then just to supplement the crap in the stores.

Questions from a newbie: What can I reliably take down with the standard 170 grain soft point Federal Power Shok ammo. What ammo is available to take down "different" things?

lone-wolf
10-05-2014, 10:47 AM
Whitetail deer from my experience.

kennymo
10-05-2014, 10:51 AM
Deer, black bear, moose, etc.... Just keep the ranges reasonable, a 170 grain .30 calibre bullet is pretty capable even in a plain old cup and core. A shot to the boiler room at 150 yards with the 30-30 will take out most anything on this continent, dunno that I'd want to try it on anything that might try to eat me back though. I'm playing with Speer deep curl flatnoses over Varget in my Henry, might have to stock up if they work well, I see they decided to discontinue them about eleven seconds after I bought my first box of bullets....

Haywire1
10-05-2014, 10:58 AM
I have seen moose and elk as well as deer and bears taken with 30-30. As has been said, stay under 150 yards

zulu
10-05-2014, 11:14 AM
I've taken bear. I agree with the short ranges. I generally sight myself with now more then 100m shot. A 200m cut line I'll place myself in the middle. 200m shots are possible, aim at spine, but I avoid them

blacksmithden
10-05-2014, 11:23 AM
Agree with all of the above. I was out with a fairly large hunting gang in Ontario one time. One guy, after 20 years of running his own business, finally took a week off and came hunting with us. The only rifle he had was a model 94 in 30-30. We heard 3 shots, and there was Bill on top of a small ridge, jumping for joy. He crested the ridge and there was a bull, cow, and calf moose standing there. He dropped all three with three shots. They aren't the longest range gun in the world. You may find it a bit of a challenge if you're hunting open fields in southern Alberta, but if you can get close enough, they'll do the job just fine.

kennymo
10-05-2014, 12:24 PM
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You could give these a go if you'd like to try a bonded bullet, I haven't attempted one on an animal yet though. Lever Revolution from Hornady is supposed to help you stretch out your 30-30's range a tad if you want a little flatter trajectory in deer country too.
There really isn't a whole pile of premium ammunition out there for the old girl, it's limited by the flat or round nose bullets required for the tube magazine (except for the aforementioned Lever Revolution with squooshy tips). Really though, it was considered a pretty hot, whiz bang cartridge for a few years after it's introduction in the 1890's and was used to hunt every game animal in North America with bullet technology probably somewhat inferior to even the cheapest off the shelf ammo of today. I wouldn't overthink it, unless you have an irresistible urge to tinker with stuff that works just fine as is.....like some of the rest of us.....

Gunexpert007
10-05-2014, 12:54 PM
I have seen moose and elk as well as deer and bears taken with 30-30. As has been said, stay under 150 yards

True....the 30-30 was probabley one of the most common hunting Rifles in North America for many years . My Grandfather had three firearms , a 30-30 and 32 Special , both Winchester Lever Actions , and a 12 guage shotgun . He had 8 kids , so he hunted everything constantly to put food on the table , and shot everything using the same three guns using just iron sights....deer , moose , bear , etc ; and he just used whatever ammo the local community store was selling......the old timers were generalists , they used what they had , to do what had to be done..... plus they really knew how to shoot......

Foxer
10-05-2014, 01:57 PM
It will kill anything - range is the factor as was mentioned.

However - those hornady leverevolution loads (or handloads, they sell the powder now) does stretch that gun out a long way. You've got a max point blank (3 inches high or low - so you don't worry about holding high or low) of about 225 yards with those, and you've still got enough horsepower to stomp a moose with halfway decent shot placement and definitely more than enough to whollop a deer. Of course - you'd want to see how they shot out of your gun, but you'd be pretty easy have a 200 yard gun I think. More than enough for a new hunter.

Mad Hatter
10-05-2014, 04:23 PM
Thank you gents. I can retain my old school ways...

stevesummit
10-06-2014, 08:22 AM
Now just cause I am the go big or go home guy on here I would say ackley the case and get a bit more power from it .

OEM
10-06-2014, 02:50 PM
Thank you gents. I can retain my old school ways...

The 30-30 is a very versatile round. As mentioned before, with the new Lever Revolution ammo from Hornady, it turns those of us equipped with better eyes and steadier hands, into a 200 yard guns. It is a very handy and light rifle and even if faced with dangerous game, its one of those rifles that you could probably cycle faster than most bolt actions. It also holds more ammo than most bolties, save the 10-rounders.

On mine, I've turned it into a plinker too, that I can shoot and let my little one (well, she's not so little now) handle a BIG gun without fear by loading cheap plinker rounds made out of my own cast boolits with small pistol powder loads. Real accurate at 50 yards!

lone-wolf
10-06-2014, 06:34 PM
Did people load 30-30 birdshot before? Or am I thinking of some other lever cartridge.

Haywire1
10-06-2014, 07:07 PM
That a 45-70 forager shell lonewolf

Rory McCanuck
10-06-2014, 07:12 PM
Birdshot works in a straight wall cartridge, 444M, 450M,45-70, or the 30-30's pappy, the 38-55.
I'm not sure I'd want to fill a bottlenecked case with shot, could build big pressure in a hurry.
I know you can get shot capsules for 38s (.357) and 44s, maybe they make them for 30cal?

The 30-30's biggest problem is its generic usefulness.
It'll do anything you need it to in North America, and do it without a lot of fuss.
Yes, there might be better rifles for bear protection, but a 30-30 will do it, and they've killed their fair share of bears.
Most hunting shots are less than 200 yards (measured, not estimated then bragged about), and the 30 WCF will do that easily.

The 30-30 isn't a whizz bang manum, so people can actually shoot it well without being scared and flinching.
You don't get a free chiropractor visit every time you pull the trigger, and you aren't likely to detach your retinas.
I think the Marlin tends to be a bit more accurate than the 94s, but the Winchester is accurate enough for practical hunting. They both point almost as easily as your finger.

It's worked well for 120 years. It just isn't new and sexy. I bet it and the .303 have still accounted for as much Canadian game as everything else combined. If not, it's probably close.

Shoot it, and shoot it well ;D

kennymo
10-06-2014, 07:21 PM
Lol, reminds me of my buddy who shoots every deer at '450 yards!'. We head out in the field, set up a sheet of plywood at a paced hundred yards and he can barely keep his 300 WSM on the wood. What a waste of pricey Bergers, lol.

Mad Hatter
10-06-2014, 09:36 PM
It just isn't new and sexy.

I would tend to disagree...

http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx328/myakey/DSCN3325_zps976e11b1.jpg

kennymo
10-06-2014, 11:22 PM
I would tend to disagree...

http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx328/myakey/DSCN3325_zps976e11b1.jpg

That's clearly OLD and sexy....kinda like the Bea Arthur of firearms....

http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w534/kennymo81/Mobile%20Uploads/4ABF3143-D3EA-4779-BF59-90BAB7D52B18_zps2xmmxve3.jpg (http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/kennymo81/media/Mobile%20Uploads/4ABF3143-D3EA-4779-BF59-90BAB7D52B18_zps2xmmxve3.jpg.html)

Facepalm
10-06-2014, 11:30 PM
oh I'm gonna be sick. like seeing John Goodman in a speedo

Gunexpert007
10-06-2014, 11:37 PM
That's clearly OLD and sexy....kinda like the Bea Arthur of firearms....

http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w534/kennymo81/Mobile%20Uploads/4ABF3143-D3EA-4779-BF59-90BAB7D52B18_zps2xmmxve3.jpg (http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/kennymo81/media/Mobile%20Uploads/4ABF3143-D3EA-4779-BF59-90BAB7D52B18_zps2xmmxve3.jpg.html)

Given the choice between the two....I would take the Winchester.....lol

Mad Hatter
10-07-2014, 09:11 AM
I woke up at 2 this morning and saw the light flashing on my phone. Opened this and had nightmares for the rest of the night!