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Billythreefeathers
11-06-2014, 04:20 PM
‘We’re shocked': Justin Trudeau went public with reports of misconduct against the wishes of the alleged victims, NDP says



http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/11/06/were-shocked-justin-trudeau-went-public-with-misconduct-allegations-against-the-wishes-of-victims-ndp-says/





Two NDP MPs who brought forward allegations of harassment feel blindsided by Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau’s move to go public with the information against their wishes, the NDP says.

Nycole Turmel, NDP whip, said Thursday one of the alleged victims found out through social media that her allegations had become public and that an investigation was being sought.

One of the alleged victims had come to Turmel previously to discuss misconduct allegations, but didn’t want them to become public, Turmel told the Postmedia News. NDP leader Tom Mulcair echoed her remarks at a press conference, saying the alleged victims had a “strong desire to keep this confidential.

“That was their request and we were not about to override that and make them victims a second time,” Mulcair said in Whitby, Ont.


“Anyone who went against that (request) would, of course, be running the risk of making them becoming victims a second time.”

Turmel said neither of the two NDP MPs had wished to file formal complaints, over concerns that the allegations could destroy the careers of Liberal MPs Scott Andrews and Massimo Pacetti.

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“Rumours sometimes destroy people’s lives,” Turmel said.

Turmel was to meet with Speaker of the House of Commons Andrew Scheer Thursday to determine what the means will be to investigate the allegations, given that the Commons has no such process in place. It’s only after that meeting that the two alleged victims will know the next steps, or whether they will participate in any investigation.

Trudeau announced Wednesday that Andrews and Pacetti were suspended from the Liberal caucus over allegations of “serious personal misconduct” in how they dealt with two female MPs from another party. He also suspended the two men’s candidacies for the next election pending an investigation.

Neither the nature of the misconduct, nor the identity of the two New Democrats who lodged the complaints, has been detailed by any of the parties. Both Pacetti and Andrews deny wrongdoing.

Also unclear is when the alleged misconduct took place. A report Thursday in Le Journal du Quebec said Liberal MP Scott Simms was aware of allegations as far back as March 2013, but the alleged victim who told him of the misconduct asked him to keep it secret and he did.

What is known is that one of the alleged victims approached Trudeau directly on Oct. 28, when MPs from various parties travelled together to Hamilton, Ont. for the funeral of Cpl. Nathan Cirillo, slain by a gunman at the National War Memorial six days earlier. After the funeral, Trudeau was on a bus on his way back to the airport to fly to Ottawa, when an NDP MP approached him to discuss alleged misconduct by one of the Liberal MPs.

Trudeau said Wednesday he immediately directed Foote to make her counterpart from the NDP aware of this.

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FilesLiberal MPs Scott Andrews, left, and Massimo Pacetti were suspended on Wednesday, pending an investigation into allegations of “personal misconduct.”
When Turmel met Foote on Oct. 29, Turmel said she was only aware of one allegation of wrongdoing. The MP who approached her had told her the details in confidence, asking that they not go any further. Turmel said she was not told the identity of the MP at the centre of the allegations.

“The person said to me, ‘I don’t want this to go anywhere,’ ” she said. “This person said, ‘I will deal with this on my own terms.’”

Turmel wouldn’t say when the conversation took place. She said the NDP tried to help the alleged victim, but she provided few details of what was offered or done.

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Turmel said she learned of the second allegation of wrongdoing when she met with Foote. At that time, she also learned Liberals Andrews and Pacetti were at the centre of the allegations.

Turmel said the NDP had heard rumours Wednesday morning that the Liberals were going to take some action on Andrews and Pacetti. She said all she knew for sure before Wednesday was that Pacetti and Andrews were to meet with the Liberal leadership to discuss the allegations.

Mulcair said “there was no prior warning” that the Liberals were going public with the allegations.

Turmel said Liberal whip Foote gave her an envelope marked “confidential” that contained the letter the Liberals were about to give to the Speaker of the House of Commons.

We’re shocked as well that Mr. Trudeau decided to go forward and do a press conference and naming the people involved without telling the alleged victims

Turmel was en route to warn one of the alleged victims that news of misconduct allegations was going to the Speaker and would be made public, but the news was already out. Turmel said the alleged victim was upset because she had seen the letter on social media.

Trudeau then held a press conference outlining the allegations, without providing details.

“We’re shocked as well that Mr. Trudeau decided to go forward and do a press conference and naming the people involved without telling the alleged victims,” Turmel said. The NDP says the Liberals did not tell them ahead of time about Trudeau’s plans.

Billythreefeathers
11-06-2014, 04:23 PM
this is great,, first we have the CBC and TheStar fighting over Ghomeshi, and now we have the Liberals and the NDP at each other, I love it when the LEFT comes together;)

DOOK
11-06-2014, 05:12 PM
One MP said to another MP, "what page are you on"?

blacksmithden
11-06-2014, 05:16 PM
Of course he did it. That's what liberals do best. Make victims out of the victims a second time. Just ask anyone who's defended themselves with a gun how they were treated.

soulchaser
11-06-2014, 05:54 PM
Hopefully this takes some shine off the pony.

The NDP have have a known number of female MP's. You can bet there are reporters from every media outlet in the country trying to find out the identity of the two who came forward.

Also,SNN had a lawyer on who thinks Trudeau might just be in serious trouble possibly facing two massive defamation lawsuits from the two Liberal MP's he suspended.

Trudeau has basically publicly said they are guilty without any investigation.

If they are shown to be not guilty, hopefully they sue Trudeau for every penny he's got.

Forbes/Hutton
11-06-2014, 06:30 PM
So what was angry Tom's ideal alternative? He didn't want the complaints made public, yet he wanted something done?

Did he want the Marxist solution, march both outside and put a bullet in the back of their necks and then pretend they never existed, and therefore never did anything wrong?

Petamocto
11-06-2014, 06:44 PM
So what was angry Tom's ideal alternative?

This picture was begging to be made, so I just made it. Everyone now has my permission to use it.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h143/SeanNewman/AngryTom_zps9df884d4.jpg

Forbes/Hutton
11-06-2014, 06:48 PM
^He strikes me as more of a Yosemite Sam sort.

Swampdonkey
11-06-2014, 06:49 PM
Parliament sounds a lot like the RCMP these days.

blacksmithden
11-06-2014, 07:45 PM
^He strikes me as more of a Yosemite Sam sort.

If he's Yosemite Sam, then Turdeau is this little "I AM SO ready for prime time !" guy. Henry the Chicken Hawk for sure.

http://img.geocaching.com/cache/log/28cc672f-c470-4047-8baa-1fb2f9cd2345.jpg

Doug_M
11-07-2014, 06:00 AM
So what was angry Tom's ideal alternative? He didn't want the complaints made public, yet he wanted something done?

Did he want the Marxist solution, march both outside and put a bullet in the back of their necks and then pretend they never existed, and therefore never did anything wrong?

This whole thing sounds either orchestrated or manipulated for political benefit. But all that aside, victims of sexual abuse or harassment (in general) certainly don't want their victimization made public if it can be avoided. That seems only natural to me. Of course with something as high profile as parliament it was bound to become public eventually. But it did not need to be public as quickly as it did and JT didn't have the right to be the one do decide if/when it became public. I guess what I'm saying is politics aside, it wasn't JT's call to make at that time.