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Billythreefeathers
12-07-2014, 05:02 PM
Police intervene after fight breaks out at meeting to nominate Andrew Leslie as Liberal MP candidate

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/12/07/police-break-up-noisy-scuffle-at-meeting-to-nominate-andrew-leslie-as-liberal-candidate-in-ottawa-orleans/

Former Canadian Forces general Andrew Leslie will carry the Liberal banner in Orléans in next year’s federal election, but his nomination Saturday was marred by a chaotic and divisive scene in which police had to break up a noisy scuffle.
Leslie, an adviser to Liberal leader Justin Trudeau, was acclaimed by Liberals in Ottawa-Orléans as their candidate for the 2015 election, when the riding will be known simply as Orléans.

Darren Brown / Postmedia NewsThe new Liberal candidate for Ottawa-Orleans, Andrew Leslie, speaks at his acclamation during a Liberal nomination meeting in Orleans on Saturday.
But the event turned into a political embarrassment for Leslie when his only rival, Ottawa lawyer David Bertschi, showed up with some angry supporters to complain that the party had acted undemocratically last month in disqualifying him from seeking the nomination.
“Shame, shame, shame,” some of those Liberals chanted as it became clear that Leslie was about to be acclaimed without a fight from his rival.
Leslie, in a speech to the tension-filled hall, urged the Liberals to put aside their differences and work together to defeat the local Conservative MP, Royal Galipeau, and the governing Tories.
“I understand that emotions are running high,” he said.
“I extend a hand of friendship to every citizen of Orléans, especially to all members of the Liberal family.”
Leslie offered to meet with anyone in the room to discuss their concerns and how he hopes to represent them.
“Today, we are a team, we are a family. Yes, there has been some tensions in the family. This is natural. It’s actually healthy. It shows that there is passion, there is fire.”

Darren Brown / Postmedia NewsJudith Holtzhauer, an angry member of the Liberal party, tears up her membership card as the new Liberal candidate for Ottawa-Orleans, Andrew Leslie, speaks at his acclamation during a Liberal nomination meeting in Orleans on Saturday.
Leslie’s remarks were cheered by many Liberals who gave him a standing ovation, while others angrily sat in their seats.
Bertschi ran for the Liberals in the riding in 2011, losing to Galipeau, and also made a long-shot bid in the leadership contest won by Trudeau in 2013.
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He did cede a question on Gaza to co-panelist Kirsty Duncan, the Liberals’ international development critic. But on Canada’s shuttered embassy in Tehran, he suggested the Conservatives aren’t just uninterested in diplomacy, but hope to “exacerbate [the] situation … as a way to either anger or get excited their base.” And on radicalized young men shipping out to fight for ISIS, he called it “a tragedy for [the] families that have lost their young men.” He stressed ISIS’s barbarism has nothing whatsoever to do with Islam. And he even dared mention the need to “deal with some of the root causes — disaffection, disenfranchisement, whatever it might be.”
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Last week, he filed an appeal with an internal Liberal Party appeal committee, challenging the party’s decision to revoke his candidacy.
Bertschi had initially been given the “green light” — approval to seek the nomination — by a committee that screens potential candidates. But last month, the Liberals’ national campaign co-chairs, Katie Telford and Dan Gagnier, wrote to Bertschi to inform him the approval had been rescinded.
Telford and Gagnier said Bertschi hadn’t complied with a plan to pay down outstanding debts from his 2013 bid for the Liberal leadership.
There was also a question about whether he had properly informed the green-light committee about a defamation action he had launched against a U.S.-based gossip website. At Saturday’s meeting, a letter from the party was read aloud to those gathered to explain the need for all potential candidates to go through background checks by the green-light committee. The room was also told that Trudeau had supported the decision of the green-light committee and had formally invoked his authority as leader to decline to approve Bertschi be a candidate.
David Bertschi, right, watches as the new Liberal candidate for Ottawa-Orleans, Andrew Leslie, speaks at his acclamation during a Liberal nomination meeting in Orleans Saturday, December 6, 2014. Bertschi was not allowed to run against Leslie.
In recent days, Bertschi called the party’s decision against him “back-room, strong-arm politics” and filed an appeal. He said that his debts were being paid down in accordance with Elections Canada rules and noted that the libel action had been abandoned.

Darren Brown / Postmedia NewsThe new Liberal candidate for Ottawa-Orleans, Andrew Leslie, picks a torn Liberal membership card thrown on stage by disgruntled member, Judith Holtzhauer, at his acclamation Saturday.
Bertschi’s supporters were clearly unhappy about the party’s actions and shouted at the moderator of the meeting Saturday, trying to disrupt the proceedings.
“That’s what we call an open and fair nomination,” shouted one woman in ridicule of the event.
During the meeting, Bertschi stood at the side of the hall but ran into a mêlée in the middle of the room to help assist a police officer in breaking up two angry people who scuffled over a Canadian flag.
Bertschi told the Citizen the event was anti-democratic and that although he is a long-time Liberal, he is now “leaving my options open” on whether to support the party because Trudeau has informed him in a letter that he is not prepared to let him run in any riding.
“This is not the Liberal party I have been part of my whole life and I’m disappointed,” said Bertschi. “I’m numb. I believe in democracy.”
Judith Holtzhauer, an angry member of the Liberal party, tears up her membership card as the the new Liberal candidate for Ottawa-Orleans, Andrew Leslie, speaks at his acclamation during a Liberal nomination meeting in Orleans Saturday, December 6, 2014.
Judith Holtzhauer, who said she has voted Liberal for the past 40 years, ripped up her Liberal party membership card and threw it at Leslie’s feet as he left the stage after delivering his speech.
“This is unbelievably undemocratic,” she told the Citizen.
“There are many of us who perhaps would have voted for him if we had a democratic process. But to have somebody parachuted in, it’s just not a possibility.”
In his speech, Leslie spoke of the need to defeat Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s Conservative government and also provide strong representation to the voters of Orléans.
“Why don’t you live here?” someone from the crowd fired back.
“Go back to Rockcliffe,” shouted another.
Leslie acknowledged to the crowd that he doesn’t live in the riding, but said he is an “Ottawa East boy.
“I’ve been around the world a couple of times. I’ve fought for my country. I believe in public service and Orléans is where I belong.”
Leslie was led out of the hall accompanied by supporters and as uniformed police officers kept watch on the adjoining hallways.
At a news conference after the event, he said nominations can sometimes get emotional and that about just 10% of those in the hall had expressed their “displeasure.”

Darren Brown / Postmedia NewsDavid Bertschi, right, watches as the new Liberal candidate for Ottawa-Orleans, Andrew Leslie, speaks at his acclamation Saturday.
He said his main task now is to reach out and bring people together into “one cohesive group.”
Leslie said he lives about three kilometres outside the riding he hopes to represent as an MP — a home he moved to after leaving the Canadian Forces — but that he is certainly “open” to someday moving directly into the riding.
He said he believes he could have beaten Bertschi had there been a contest, and that he still believes it was an open nomination because everyone had to go through the green light committee.
“I have faith in the Liberal party and the mechanisms they have in place to process the nomination (of) candidates,” said Leslie.

Darren Brown / Postmedia NewsThe new Liberal candidate for Ottawa-Orleans, Andrew Leslie, speaks at his acclamation.
“I’m a team player. I firmly believe in the leadership of Justin Trudeau. He has been very clear that yes, open and transparent nominations — but as well that there is a rigorous process that you go through to be declared a candidate.”
“It turned out in the end that I was the only one that had all the conditions for the green light process.”
Trudeau named Leslie to his panel of foreign affairs advisers last year. In February, Leslie, 56, said he had been courted by several parties to run for office, though he wouldn’t say which ones.
He is now considered a star candidate for the Liberals, who want to present Canadian voters with a strong “team” in next year’s election that can easily be turned into a credible cabinet if Trudeau becomes prime minister.

Billythreefeathers
12-07-2014, 05:06 PM
well the liberal nomination process works


just wondering how much will he be entitled to if he moves into the riding,,,

Edenchef
12-07-2014, 05:21 PM
Andrew Leslie is a pussy, obviously a "rear echelon leader". How can he ignore a "fair fight" for nomination and hide behind Turdo's skirt. This man is a disgrace to all the 'honorable" men and women that ever wore the uniform of this country. This man makes me ashamed of being an officer. This kind of man is why the salute is for the commission and not the man. Thank God, he was behind me, not from my OCS class.

Cheers!

762shooter
12-07-2014, 06:20 PM
The Liberal's "managed" nomination process makes a sham of citizen driven democracy. The citizens sho are supposed to be the ones nominating and supporting candidates are just puppets to the backroom boys who really control the party. What a disgrace!

Edenchef
12-07-2014, 06:42 PM
"Citizen driven democracy" is that like unicorns and rainbows; something imaginary or illusionary? Sorry to pop your cherry, but our elected representatives, for the most part, would eat your children.....raw, if they believed it would get them into power and keep them there. They exist in a world of greed, power, and privilege. The reality is.... they will do ANYTHING to stay in that power; They would lie, cheat, steal, even murder; if it would keep them in Ottawa, suckling on the public teat. Wake up.......... smell the coffee! Do you think that they serve us? They believe that we exist, merely to serve them, just sheeple, to be sheared at their will. JMHO

Cheers!

RangeBob
12-07-2014, 06:53 PM
there are winners and there are people who are not winners
-- Justin Trudeau (here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5kFl82WQER4))

Edenchef
12-07-2014, 07:14 PM
there are winners and there are people who are not winners
-- Justin Trudeau (here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5kFl82WQER4))

Ok, those are losers, right? Turdo II is just a loser.

Cheers!

Waterloomike
12-07-2014, 09:00 PM
Remember when shiny pony dumped all the liberal senators because they weren't elected?

What will they do next to implode?

Rory McCanuck
12-07-2014, 11:54 PM
Leslie said he lives about three kilometres outside the riding he hopes to represent as an MP — a home he moved to after leaving the Canadian Forces — but that he is certainly “open” to someday moving directly into the riding.Isn't he the dirtbag that bilked the system for $72,000 to pay for his move across town?
Why yes, yes he is.
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/ctv-exclusive-retired-general-claimed-72k-in-expenses-for-move-within-ottawa-1.1688678

One of Canada’s most high-profile military leaders claimed more than $72,000 in expenses, including real estate fees, for a move from his Ottawa home to another residence in the city after he retired, CTV News has learned.
Maybe the taxpayers' dime should have gone to moving him 3 km further and actually into the riding?
Riding the golden parachute rather than the political one?
Oh well, whatever. Don't interrupt them, just point and laugh.
Remember to bring this nonsense up again in less than a year's time.

JustBen
12-08-2014, 06:13 AM
I find it ironic that the liberals will complain about a lack of transparency and then they go and do something like this. Somewhere, a pot is calling a kettle black.