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Spence
03-13-2015, 06:23 PM
Bought this william peep sight kit for my 336 then had it bore sighted. The front sight is nice and sharp, rear sight circle is fuzzy. I wear bifocals, so they tell me that's normal, just do your best to put the Fire Sight bead of the blade in the center of the aperture. But I'd be nervous with that as the smallest deviation can send a round over the horizon into the next county.

So I was looking at the Willaims Twilight Aperature, which is just a ring of chartreuse plastic shoved into the regular aperature shoulder slot. It occured to me that I can, with a 3/8in pipe make a cutter by sharpening the edge. Then boring a 1/8 hole(.098 i think) in the center, place the punch over it dead center, then cut it out with the punch. Then I can push it into the aperature. The fourscent plastic I may be able to get from plastic fletching in the crossbow section. May save me a few bucks, and I can use different colors whichever gives me the best rendition. I could then glue it in permanent

I hope all this takes the fuzz away from the edge. It does vary if I move my head around, but fuzz never goes away.

Wadya think?

fastshooter
03-13-2015, 09:20 PM
Well ya gotta try something. I had the same problem with my T-97,,,,the rear sight always looked like it had fuzz in it. I cleaned out the sight 1/2 a dozen times, till I realized it was my eyes LOL. try it,...you've got nothing to loose, and if it works,..post pics,.....I'll follow.!

BrotherRockeye
03-13-2015, 09:30 PM
you'll just get colored fuzz...it's the price of not lookin so good with age.

Spence
03-13-2015, 10:02 PM
Thanks guys. As another experiment and to better line up the aperture vertically and horizontally, I also tried inserting a small ring of brass inside the aperture. I filed the ring edge to hold black thread at 0-90-180-270 degrees around the rim. In the notches I crossed 2 strands of black thread and glued the ends down to the ring side. I pushed the ring into the aperture making sure I had one thread horizontal to the barrel, then sighted down it. This time the cross hairs were fuzzy too. DabNabit

But I can tell if I could see it clearly, it would definetly align the bead on cross hair if only I could see better. I bet it would work for the young folks with good eyes which can focus on the front and back sights at once.

lone-wolf
03-13-2015, 10:20 PM
I think you're defeating the purpose of the peep sight. It's not to think about it, the rear sight does not need to be in focus, you focus on the front and ignore the rear all together. Your eye should naturally center the front sight without thinking about it.


The front sight is nice and sharp, rear sight circle is fuzzy. I wear bifocals, so they tell me that's normal
That's normal regardless of your eye wear.


But I'd be nervous with that as the smallest deviation can send a round over the horizon into the next county.
That's possible with any iron sight set up. Smaller aperture would be the solution, not as quick though.

blacksmithden
03-13-2015, 10:28 PM
I haven't seen a rear sight up close in years. The reading glasses I buy are a mix of +1.5 and +2.0.....I've got a Williams peep sight on my Winchester 94 and don't have a problem with centering the front sight in the middle of the hole. If you just can't do it, then you're on the right track with a smaller orifice in the peep. Welcome to the vintage club. :)

stevesummit
03-14-2015, 05:47 AM
There is an eye doctor here in edmonton that will do shooting glasses for you with the proper focal point and have a pair of glasses set up properly for you . Not sure where your located but it might be worth a try to find a doc close to you that understands the needs of a shooter .

Gunter
03-14-2015, 06:49 AM
Have a look at this, do you think this might help?

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2010/05/breakthrough-microsight-technology-improves-iron-sights/

Cheers
Gunter

blacksmithden
03-14-2015, 07:36 AM
^^^That looks interesting^^^

Bookmarked the page. Thanks Gunter.

BrotherRockeye
03-14-2015, 09:08 AM
That is pretty cool.

Spence
03-14-2015, 09:49 AM
Great stuff! Thanks. Hope Williams picks it up and they tool a size for mine. 1/4in would be 1/8 too small for mine. Looks like it will expensive too.

Camo tung
03-14-2015, 12:36 PM
The thread title brought to mind images of an old trench-coat clad man in the park.

BrotherRockeye
03-14-2015, 04:27 PM
The thread title brought to mind images of an old trench-coat clad man in the park.

that thread is in off topics..."cog problems for old peepers" ;D

Rory McCanuck
03-14-2015, 07:28 PM
Lone-wolf has it right, the rear sight doesn't need to be in focus.
Your brain automatically aligns through the centre of the hole, whether it's sharp or fuzzy is irrelevant.
If you second guess it, I think accuracy actually suffers.

I've been meaning to try putting a piece of electrical tape with a hole in it onto my glasses.
Here's an explanation: http://www.muzzleblasts.com/archives/vol4no6/articles/mbo46-5.shtml



Have a look at this, do you think this might help?

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2010/05/breakthrough-microsight-technology-improves-iron-sights/

Cheers
Gunter
Oooh, that looks nice. Now, would that just replace the insert in the rear sight?
That would be great.

hercster
03-14-2015, 07:34 PM
I've been messing around with vision issues for shooting for several years. There is no right answer but I will give y'all my latest discovery and solution.
About three years ago, I had a set of bifocal shooting glasses made up with the lens for my dominant eye optimized for the front sight and a second lens cut in the bottom that I could use to read. The left lens was left as a single focus. These glasses worked perfectly for pistol shooting as the FS is clear and crisp and the combination of both eyes gives me good clarity at all distances. However these glasses were or are useless for the Red Dot on my AR and the shotgun with the latter being less critical. The red dot is just a blurred mess. I have a Leupold RDS on top of a HAMR 4x

So if I shoot both pistols and the rifle in the same match which I do often, I have to switch glasses back and forth and use my progressive day glasses for the rifle and shotgun with safety glasses over them. Needless to say it's a PITA. I can get a clear FS on the pistol with the progressives but I have to tilt my head way back into a poor and uncomfortable position.

Recently, I read about stickable bifocals where you wet the small magnifying lense and stick it to the inside of your glasses. So I bought a set of + 1.25 after reading the prescriptions of both my glasses. The brand is Hydrotac and available at Walmart or online. I used Amazon. When I got the lenses. I trimmed one of them to fit the top 1/4 to 1/3 of my safety glasses. When I put the safety glasses over my day glasses this is what I get:

My normal posture with the pistol has my head tilted slightly down and so I see through the combination of my day glasses and the strip of stick on lens on the right lens of my safety glasses. PERFECT! The front sight is crisp and clear as soon as the gun comes to my shooting position.

When I pick up the rifle, mount it to my cheek, my vision is through the centre of my day glasses and the strip stick on, doesn't come into play. The red dot is crisp and clear. When I drop down to the HAMR. the same is true and the reticle is sharp and clear.

I'm a happy camper. Now I'm going to take my solution to the eye Doctor and have them write a prescription and get a lens cut for my shooting glasses and that will just make things more convenient and comfortable. Life is better. :-)

Gunter
03-15-2015, 09:38 AM
Sinclair sells it in their catalog. Still not sure if it would help the OP.




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