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greywolf67nt
03-15-2015, 10:59 PM
Is there a fix that can be done and verified that would allow us to keep our CZ's without having to replace whole parts of the gun?
From what I have read the reclassification is because parts MAY have been refurbed from full auto versions. Could this not mean there is something as simple as a hole or notch that could be filled in?
A smart and resourceful gunsmith might be able to figure this out.

blacksmithden
03-15-2015, 11:16 PM
You'd need specifics as to what issue the RCMP pirate lab had with it....I mean, besides the fact that it's black and looks like something you might see in an action movie...because we all know that's what the real issue was. Then you could come up with a fix.

Foxer
03-15-2015, 11:27 PM
The best choice would likely be to let c-42 finish getting thru parliament and the house. At that point they will be able to classify the CZ as a 'non restricted' specifically. Which is the reason they're passing the legislation. If you can hang on for a couple of months you should get what you want for free without modifications.

lone-wolf
03-16-2015, 12:07 AM
Once a receiver has been assembled as a full auto, nothing can be done to that receiver to change it's status from prohib - except to a deact/non-firearm.
It's not parts, your parts are fine to keep and reuse in another receiver.


Could this not mean there is something as simple as a hole or notch that could be filled in?
That's basically what they did, or are accused of. Altering a once assembled full auto receiver to function as semi-auto only.

Foxer
03-16-2015, 12:16 AM
Once a receiver has been assembled as a full auto, nothing can be done to that receiver to change it's status from prohib - except to a deact/non-firearm.
It's not parts, your parts are fine to keep and reuse in another receiver.

That is true currently. It is not true after c-42 passes. After that, the gov't can name any gun to be non restricted regardless of any other laws. And that's what their answer to both the swiss and cz issues was. Once the law is passed, they can declare the swiss and cz's to be non restricted and it doesn't matter what the other laws say. And that's by OIC so it won't take long.

lone-wolf
03-16-2015, 12:30 AM
Lots of things are true currently that may change in the future. I can't predict the future... yet.

Foxer
03-16-2015, 12:41 AM
Lots of things are true currently that may change in the future. I can't predict the future... yet.

I can. It's a wonderful gift :) I am also omnipresent (Hey - don't slouch like that, sit up in your chair properly before your back starts to hurt).

Canada_Phil
03-16-2015, 06:14 AM
My suggested "fix" would be as follows...

- You strip your stock, grip, hand guards and any readily detachable parts and set them aside.
- You receive a FREE approved replacement barrelled receiver assembly from the importer WOLVERINE which will be sent to you as soon as they receive your receiver (which they will provide a prepaid Canada Post or courier label for you!)
- Re-install with your set aside parts... Presto!

Wolverine can work out a deal with the Gov. to be able to collect those prohibited receivers and SEND THEM BACK to CZ for credit against the "approved replacement receivers". CZ can then re-incorporate those returned receivers back into "surplus" VZ's that get resold to Americans (or shady third world dictators). If not, Wolverine can eat it.

EDIT: Oh!.... And those replacements from Wolverine should be CHROME LINED... You know, for all your trouble.

kennymo
03-16-2015, 07:04 AM
Uh huh. Sounds like a broken record....

Wait for C-42 to pass (rumour has it pushed through by Spring now), then enjoy your CZ 858....

Canada_Phil
03-16-2015, 07:09 AM
Yepppppppppp.

As does EVERY other post on this site with every other poster's point of view.

Foxer
03-16-2015, 08:22 AM
Uh huh. Sounds like a broken record....

Wait for C-42 to pass (rumour has it pushed through by Spring now), then enjoy your CZ 858....

That's a little like saying "god, are they saying that 1 + 1 = 2 again? they sound like a broken record - every time I ask what 1+ 1 is it's the same damn answer! :)

Did you expect the answer to change at some point?

And what do you mean "rumour has it" - that's always when we've been expecting it. I personally posted here that it would be about may or so ages ago. Again - it's a frakkin' bill before the house... three readings and a committee. That's the law. When did YOU think it was going to pass?

kennymo
03-16-2015, 08:36 AM
That's a little like saying "god, are they saying that 1 + 1 = 2 again? they sound like a broken record - every time I ask what 1+ 1 is it's the same damn answer! :)

Did you expect the answer to change at some point?

And what do you mean "rumour has it" - that's always when we've been expecting it. I personally posted here that it would be about may or so ages ago. Again - it's a frakkin' bill before the house... three readings and a committee. That's the law. When did YOU think it was going to pass?

Someone had posted a letter from their MP recently (here or CGN, I can't recall) saying it would be done before parliment lets out for summer, my 'rumour'. :) I have been expecting it anytime before the fall election, as previously promised.

Foxer
03-16-2015, 08:49 AM
Someone had posted a letter from their MP recently (here or CGN, I can't recall) saying it would be done before parliment lets out for summer, my 'rumour'. :) I have been expecting it anytime before the fall election, as previously promised.

Well 'before summer' is probably pretty accurate. They usually finish in June, and I was thinking 'May', so give or take a week or three that would make sense to me. It's a bloody long process (sometimes thats a very good thing :) But of course it's harder to see it that way when it's a bill we want to pass quickly).

On the other hand - once the bill is passed, it only requires a change to the regulation to non-restrict the cz's and swiss's. Not a change to the law. So - that can be done very quickly with the usual OIC change to the regulations. THAT part will be quick.

parrnan
03-18-2015, 08:47 AM
The best choice would likely be to let c-42 finish getting thru parliament and the house. At that point they will be able to classify the CZ as a 'non restricted' specifically. Which is the reason they're passing the legislation. If you can hang on for a couple of months you should get what you want for free without modifications.

Lets hope that C-42 will become "the law" before the end of the actual government... The fact that we no longer hear about C-42 is not a good news, the government speaks only about C-51 these days.

Doug_M
03-18-2015, 08:54 AM
Lets hope that C-42 will become "the law" before the end of the actual government... The fact that we no longer hear about C-42 is not a good news, the government speaks only about C-51 these days.

No, that's not accurate. The whole hoopla in the news yesterday about Harper telling people in SK that there are too many regulations around firearms and that people in rural areas need them because police aren't always readily available was a result of being asked about C-42. Also when bills go through their process to become law we don't hear about continuously, only when they are being debated for the most part.

Foxer
03-18-2015, 10:22 AM
No, that's not accurate. The whole hoopla in the news yesterday about Harper telling people in SK that there are too many regulations around firearms and that people in rural areas need them because police aren't always readily available was a result of being asked about C-42. Also when bills go through their process to become law we don't hear about continuously, only when they are being debated for the most part.

Quite true - and just for those who are new or forgot - i'll remind folks that last YEAR i said that whatever law would be presented would likely be presented in october-ish, possibly as part of an omnibus bill (there was no omnibus bill that fall so that didn't happen) and that it would likely be law by about march'ish. Now - since then it got delayed because of the attack on parliament and the laws they rushed in after, but things are basically exactly where I said they'd likely be a year ago before the bill was even introduced or we knew what it would look like. So the timeline is progressing pretty much exactly as we expected, and there's nothing here to make anyone think the CPC won't be moving forward. And Harper DID just mention it in the news.

I suspect that we're going to see it in the news a little as it goes to committee, and as it passes, and as it clears the senate. That's probably about all the news we'll see - the fact is that people aren't worked up about it that much generally and therefore it's not 'Hot News' the way that bill 51 is for example. It's 'slow news day' stuff.

soulchaser
03-26-2015, 07:45 AM
Is there a fix that can be done and verified that would allow us to keep our CZ's without having to replace whole parts of the gun?
From what I have read the reclassification is because parts MAY have been refurbed from full auto versions. Could this not mean there is something as simple as a hole or notch that could be filled in?
A smart and resourceful gunsmith might be able to figure this out.

Yes. It's called Bill C-42.

It contains the legal mechanism to reverse the RCMP reclassification of the Swiss Arms and CZ 858 and revert them back to their original non restricted classification.

Greenman
04-11-2015, 05:32 PM
Do we know when the third reading is?

Doug_M
04-11-2015, 05:41 PM
It goes to committee April 20th. 3rd reading is some time after that.


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lone-wolf
04-11-2015, 06:05 PM
April 20th, that's a little ominous.

kennymo
04-11-2015, 06:31 PM
April 20th, that's a little ominous.

Trudeau will be preoccupied that day.....it could be to our benefit....;)

FALover
04-11-2015, 06:48 PM
April 20th, that's a little ominous.

Yep. We are moving into our 'new' downsized house that day. Still trying to figure out where my stash is going. I have a room for everything right now but the new place doesn't have room for anything. :frown1:

wolver
07-02-2015, 05:33 PM
Lets hope that C-42 will become "the law" before the end of the actual government...

If there's a change in government before this becomes law, it never will.

Foxer
07-02-2015, 05:54 PM
If there's a change in government before this becomes law, it never will.

It already became law. Now we're just waiting on the paperwork.

Steveo9mm
07-02-2015, 05:57 PM
It already became law. Now we're just waiting on the paperwork.

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wolver
07-02-2015, 06:01 PM
It already became law. Now we're just waiting on the paperwork.

New government or no new government? Or do we have to wait and see?

Foxer
07-02-2015, 06:03 PM
Steveo - it's been 10 days. :) Settle down :)

Foxer
07-02-2015, 06:05 PM
New government or no new government? Or do we have to wait and see?

I assume you're asking if the paperwork will arrive under this gov't, or if it won't get done till after the election?

We're looking at weeks, possibly days. Not months.

Steveo9mm
07-02-2015, 06:09 PM
Steveo - it's been 10 days. :) Settle down :)

thats it? dam, feels more like months

Foxer
07-02-2015, 08:18 PM
thats it? dam, feels more like months

I know :) it was just the 18th or 19th (can't remember which). Feels like forever. But as far as working days go it's only been like 10 days or less (canada day in there) and they'll be trying to figure out when the coming in force dates. So, it's not been that long yet.

Edenchef
07-02-2015, 08:49 PM
June 18th