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Prairie Dog
06-06-2012, 09:20 AM
I'm trying to find an AR bag/case that will hold (securely) the rifle itself plus another complete upper. Anyone know if such an animal exists?

Thanks!

jwirecom109
06-06-2012, 09:24 AM
My preferred case is a pelican model 1750 with the foam in it. (although i currently am without this one)
you can change the foam insert around to be able to put in you rifle and extras in it.

Its not the most cost effective design, but its one of the best I know of.

OutdoorPursuitsCanada
06-06-2012, 09:35 AM
I use the Maxpedition Discreet 2 Gun Bag - really nice unit.

http://www.maxpedition.com/store/pc/catalog/1106K4_detail.jpghttp://www.bronzemoonoutdoors.com.au/sites/bronzemoonoutdoors.com.au/files/styles/large/public/maxpedition_discreet_gun_case1.jpg

Details from Maxpeditions website: http://www.maxpedition.com/store/pc/Discreet-Gun-Case-42-in-or-106-68-cm-long-13p1453.htm

We sell them for $135 incld GST.

5.11 Tactical also has some nice ones for a bit more money but we can't get them right now:
https://911supply.ca/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/34584c9f59f52cd816b497ec3b0214d6.jpg

Prairie Dog
06-06-2012, 09:44 AM
OPC.....you're just bound and determined to cost me more money, aren't you? :) Thanks.

Wmd
06-06-2012, 10:25 AM
I have a few from voodoo tactical they seem great for the price wanstalls sells them and shipping is only 10 bucks

OutdoorPursuitsCanada
06-06-2012, 10:58 AM
OPC.....you're just bound and determined to cost me more money, aren't you? :) Thanks.

Well you know... I just want my forum friends to have the best gear for their hard earned $$$ is all ;)

FlyingHigh
06-06-2012, 10:06 PM
damn you OPC. now i need one of those too. :(

Redhouse
06-06-2012, 10:34 PM
Please don't trash me for asking, but don't restricteds have to be transported in a (locked I know is correct) hard case? I do.

Prairie Dog
06-06-2012, 11:00 PM
Restricted and prohibited firearms

Unload the firearms; and
Attach a secure locking device to the firearms; and
Lock the firearms in a sturdy, non-transparent container;

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/storage-entreposage-eng.htm

OutdoorPursuitsCanada
06-06-2012, 11:55 PM
Redhouse you are correct. The bag that I have I use for non restricted guns only, for some reason I didn't think restricted when talking AR's (wishful thinking for relaxed gun laws perhaps? Lol)

jonanddad
06-07-2012, 04:32 AM
I know people that have their AR-15's and AR-10's in "bags" like those. Is it with the law... I don't know.

Prairie Dog
06-07-2012, 07:48 AM
I don't see why it won't work legally. As long as you can lock the zippers together I would say it meets all the requirements.

jonanddad
06-07-2012, 06:53 PM
I don't see why it won't work legally. As long as you can lock the zippers together I would say it meets all the requirements.

Thats what they tell me.

Slice
06-07-2012, 07:41 PM
I picked up such a case from Tactical Innovations Canada at a local gun show. I don't know if they still carry them, and their website is bloody frustrating to navigate. I'll give it to you anyway, but heed this warning before you buy anything. Don't buy their gloves.

www.tacticalinnovations.ca

Maybe you'll have more luck finding your way around their website than I did. Good luck.

harbl_the_cat
06-13-2012, 01:35 PM
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/storage-entreposage-eng.htm

Leave it to the RCMP to give out ambiguous instructions that misinterpret the law:

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-209/page-4.html#h-9

Storage, Display, Transportation and Handling of Firearms by Individuals Regulations (SOR/98-209)


TRANSPORTATION OF RESTRICTED FIREARMS
11. An individual may transport a restricted firearm only if
(a) it is unloaded;
(b) it is rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device;
(c) it is in a locked container that is made of an opaque material and is of such strength, construction and nature that it cannot readily be broken open or into or accidentally opened during transportation; and
(d) if it is in a container described in paragraph (c) that is in an unattended vehicle,
(i) when the vehicle is equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the container is in that trunk or compartment and the trunk or compartment is securely locked, and
(ii) when the vehicle is not equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the vehicle, or the part of the vehicle that contains the container, is securely locked and the container is not visible from outside the vehicle.

Of course, it's a bad law to begin with because what does "cannot readily be broken open or into or accidentally opened during transportation" mean?

You can't readily break into a locked, zipped up nylon container without some effort, prior know how, or a tool to do it. Neither will it open during transportation unless it's broken somehow.

OutdoorPursuitsCanada
06-13-2012, 02:07 PM
Leave it to the RCMP to give out ambiguous instructions that misinterpret the law:

Its the Canadian way!

westislandrifle
06-14-2012, 12:35 PM
to be honest i bought one from hongkong from ebay it was 30$ shipped it has velcro to hold the handgauard of the rifle i just added an extra one for the stock. it has a slight smaller pouch in the front that will fit a ar15 upper up to 16'' long no problem

OutdoorPursuitsCanada
06-14-2012, 12:41 PM
commie!!!! Lol jk :)

fenceline
06-14-2012, 04:50 PM
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/storage-entreposage-eng.htm

Restricted and prohibited firearms

Unload the firearms; and
Attach a secure locking device to the firearms; and
Lock the firearms in a sturdy, non-transparent container;

The key is the definition of the word "sturdy"...

Sturdy...

Oxford Dictionary: adjective (sturdier, sturdiest) strongly and solidly built: he had a sturdy, muscular physique, strong enough to withstand rough work or treatment.

Dictionary.com: strong, as in substance, construction, or texture: ie sturdy walls.

Cambridge Dictionary: physically strong and solid or thick, and therefore unlikely to break or be hurt

Webster's Dictionary: Firmly built or consituted.

While I wouldn't want to be the one going up against the courts on it, there is no criminal code definition of sturdy. In such cases judges refer to dictionaries. Canvass can be strong, thick and firmly built into many things. Nothing about the word "sturdy" implies "hard to be broken into". Compared to a plastic shopping bag, that bag would be considered sturdy.

Again, just speaking out loud, not about to try it. The judge may go with the spirit of the law, rather than the nitpicky definition.

fenceline
06-14-2012, 04:55 PM
to be honest i bought one from hongkong from ebay it was 30$ shipped it has velcro to hold the handgauard of the rifle i just added an extra one for the stock. it has a slight smaller pouch in the front that will fit a ar15 upper up to 16'' long no problem

Norinco gun bag? Haha

harbl_the_cat
06-15-2012, 03:37 PM
The key is the definition of the word "sturdy"...

Sturdy...

The Firearms act doesn't use the world "sturdy." It says:


it is in a locked container that is made of an opaque material and is of such strength, construction and nature that it cannot readily be broken open or into or accidentally opened during transportation; and

A judge is going to determine if a nylon rifle case in good repair is of such strength, construction, and nature that it cannot readily be broken open or into or accidentally opened during transportation.

They also are going to look at precedents established by previous cases - you can (and should) look them up here:
http://www.canlii.org

I haven't been able to find a case of someone charged with unsafe storage for transporting a firearm in a nylon case. Can you?

Cavs42
06-21-2012, 03:26 PM
I just picked this case up today, and I'm very pleased so far. It's well made and fits a tonne of gear. The only thing I'd add is backpack style straps, as it only has a shoulder strap.

At $150, it's not too bad.

This is going to make schlepping my gear around between stages at 3 Gun matches SOOOOO much easier.

http://www.voodootactical.net/images/product/large/1356_1_.jpg
http://www.voodootactical.net/images/product/large/1356_2_.jpg
http://www.voodootactical.net/images/product/large/1356_3_.jpg

50calshooter
06-24-2012, 01:09 PM
I use pelican cases, they are pricy but they will last a lifetime and offer the best protection out there...

Cavs42
06-25-2012, 12:00 PM
I use pelican cases, they are pricy but they will last a lifetime and offer the best protection out there...

They're just a pain in the rear to lug around.

harbl_the_cat
06-25-2012, 12:52 PM
They're just a pain in the rear to lug around.

After my last 2 shoots with all my gear, guns and ammo getting drenched - I think next time I get some dough, I might consider picking some up.