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jwirecom109
06-15-2012, 06:54 AM
Three employees of an armoured car company are dead and a colleague is in critical condition following an attempted armed robbery at the University of Alberta in Edmonton this morning.

“Tactical were called out, as were canine unit … Homicide has been called out,” said Scott Pattison, an Edmonton police spokesman.

“What I can tell you is that three people are dead.”

All four victims are employees of G4S Security.
Police say the shootings happened on the north side of HUB Mall, which houses retail shops and student residences. (CBC News)Police say the shootings happened on the north side of HUB Mall, which houses retail shops and student residences. (CBC News)

The shootings happened inside HUB Mall, which houses residences for students.

Student Ravedh Seeberath told CBC News that he heard the shots around 12:30 a.m. MT while studying in the mall.

"As I was walking down, that's when about 30 tactical officers were rushing toward me, passing me with complete firearms … the whole works, and police dogs," he said.

"That's when I went back to my books, grabbed what I could, and told the other ladies in that little study area that we should get out of there."

The bodies were reportedly found by volunteers from Safewalk, an organization that provides escorts to students on campus at night.
'Busting down the door'

Ian Breitzke, 21, watched from his window as police arrived at the scene.

“They end up busting down the door and ended up pulling out all the bodies that were in there. They pulled out a couple that I could see were dead,” he said.

“After a few moments after that they pulled out the man who was still alive … EMS ended up taking him to hospital.”

Police say they are now searching for suspects in the shooting, but are working with little information.

“Whether it is one suspect, two suspects, numerous … we have no details of that at this time,” said Pattison. “You could call it a manhunt.”

A tweet sent from the University of Alberta account said the mall has been locked down.

University officials are expected to speak about the incident soon.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/06/15/edmonton-university-school-shooting.html

JustBen
06-15-2012, 08:41 AM
:O This is bad news!

Abashai
06-15-2012, 08:55 AM
Saw that article. Sickens me that life is worth so little.
My condolences to the families

Drache
06-15-2012, 08:59 AM
the last guard died of his injuries as the news is reporting

Prairie Dog
06-15-2012, 09:01 AM
:O This is bad news!

No kidding.

On the lighter side (if there is one):


"As I was walking down, that's when about 30 tactical officers were rushing toward me, passing me with complete firearms … the whole works, and police dogs," he said.

As opposed to the incomplete ones?

Drache
06-15-2012, 09:02 AM
Police find abandoned armoured car after three guards shot dead at University of Alberta

http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/alberta-shooting-20120615-3.jpg?w=620

Police have found an abandoned armoured vehicle in Edmonton as they hunt the shooter or shooters involved in an apparent armed robbery that left three security guards dead on the University of Alberta campus overnight.

The three dead, two men and one woman, were security guards from G4S Canada, a spokesperson confirmed.

A fourth security guard is in hospital with life-threatening injuries, company spokesperson Robin Steinberg told CBC.

A G4S armoured vehicle was found running, with its lights still on near 47 Street and 93 Avenue, close to the company’s Edmonton offices.

All four security guards were armed.

The midnight shooting occurred in the Hub Mall area, which houses both student residences and 54 shops. The residence can hold up to 838 students.

Two of the shot security guards were found near ATMs in the Hub Mall’s concourse. A slain guard’s body was also found outside of the Hub, near a G4S van.

http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/alta-2.jpg

The security guards were found by members of Safewalk, a campus service that accompanies students and staff late at night.

“It was an apparent armed robbery of armoured vehicle and or vehicles,” police spokesman Scott Pattison told The Canadian Press.

“The university was quickly put into lockdown, it has its own protocols and it remains in lockdown now. It’s a crime scene so students are required to stay remain in their dorms.”

Police have not confirmed how many shooters they are looking for and if any money was stolen.

Ravedh Seeberath, 41, was studying on the second-floor when he heard what he thought was late-night partying.

“I heard what sounded like firecrackers,” Seeberath told the Edmonton Journal. “It sounded like a whole roll of firecrackers going off.

Jacqueline Woo, a science student at the university and resident of hub going into her third year, said it was just before midnight when she and a friend heard two loud cracks.

“We thought it was hammering or some sort of construction,” she said.

Upon leaving her room, Woo saw police officers running down the hall and she and other students followed them to the south end of the mall.

There, students saw seven police officers helping escort a bleeding man on a stretcher out of the mall.

“It’s pretty shocking. You never think something like that could happen,” Julie Yekimchuk told the Edmonton Journal.

The University of Alberta offered its condolences on its website.

“The university is saddened about those who lost their lives last night and we extend our condolences to their loved ones,” a statement said.

“The safety and security of our students and staff is our first priority and our campus protective services are working closely with Edmonton police.”

Counsellors are available at the university for students living in the residences at the Hub Mall.

The university says counsellors are available for students living in residence at the Hub Mall.

Students may leave their residences, but cannot return until 7 p.m., when the Hub Mall re-opens.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/06/15/police-manhunt-after-three-killed-in-armoured-car-shooting-at-university-of-alberta/

lone-wolf
06-15-2012, 09:03 AM
Did the guy taken to hospital survive??

Edit, nevermind. Shitty deal.

Prairie Dog
06-15-2012, 09:43 AM
Just read on the AO forum that CHED has reported that it was an inside job.


It looks like the armoured car robbery at the U of A HUB Mall that killed three guards and left another fighting for life was an inside job.

http://www.630ched.com/Channels/Reg/NewsLocal/Story.aspx?ID=1721747

Redhouse
06-15-2012, 09:48 AM
Just read on the AO forum that CHED has reported that it was an inside job.

Hopefully that means they have solid leads and maybe even suspects, so this is brought to a close quickly, at least with respect to catching the killer(s).

Condolences to the families of the victims.

I'm not sure if he's still doing security work, but GrizzAxeman / Pete was at one point, sure hope he wasn't working last night.

lone-wolf
06-15-2012, 09:54 AM
The police said they're 'not ruling out an inside job'

At this point I'd be surprised if they've ruled out anything.

Prairie Dog
06-15-2012, 10:01 AM
The plot thickens:


A second armoured car has been found abandoned in an industrial area of east Edmonton.

http://www.630ched.com/Channels/Reg/NewsLocal/Story.aspx?ID=1721747

Drache
06-15-2012, 12:20 PM
EDMONTON — Police have released a photo of a “person of interest” in an overnight robbery attempt that killed three armoured truck personnel and critically wounded a fourth at the University of Alberta’s HUB Mall.

Police have launched a massive manhunt for Travis Brandon Baumgartner, 21, of Sherwood Park, believed to have been the fifth of five employees of G4S Cash Solutions Canada who was at HUB Thursday night. He’s believed to be driving a dark-blue Ford F-150 truck with Alberta licence plate ZRE 724.

Two men and a woman died and a fourth victim, a man, is in hospital, city police Staff Sgt. Erik Johnson said early Friday. Police received reports around midnight of gunshots at HUB, a combined residence and shopping mall that runs the length of several blocks along 112th Street.

It’s arguably the deadliest armoured car incident in Alberta history.

“We are dealing today with what can only be described as a horrific act of violence,” said Chief Rod Knecht, saying the shootings were not a random act.

Though his involvement is not clear, Baumgartner is described as a “person of interest,” and Knecht said he has been the subject of “intense investigation” that began early Friday.

Police initially believed a lone shooter was responsible, but continue to question witnesses.

Kerry Williamson, a senior media relations adviser with Alberta Health Services, said one person was transported to nearby University of Alberta Hospital in critical condition — “as bad as it gets.”

The victims’ identities are not being released pending notification of next of kin.

At 6:30 a.m., a white G4S van remained parked on the north side of HUB and forensic investigators had congregated near the body of a man. Nearly a half-dozen forensic markers were laid out in the area.

Police also remain at an industrial area in east Edmonton, where a blue G4S truck is parked crookedly in the road, idling with its lights on and partially blocking the driveway of Local 110 of the International Association of Heat and Frost Insulators and Allied Workers. The entire block at 47th Street and 93rd Avenue — less than a block from a G4S compound where several armoured trucks are parked beside a plain, unmarked building — is roped off with yellow police tape and guarded by police, who say forensics officers will be processing the scene.

The compound is surrounded by high chain-link fencing topped with barbed wire, an electronic gate and numerous security cameras.

A small number of grim-looking police officers came and went from the compound, but have not spoken to media, except to ask them to move away.

A uniformed employee at the G4S Edmonton compound declined to comment, but a shaken Robin Steinberg, company spokeswoman, said earlier she can’t recall a comparable situation.

“This is just horrific. Everybody is in shock and quite devastated. Everybody’s thoughts are with the victims’ families and all of our employees in Edmonton because it’s a pretty tight-knit group.”

Steinberg said all employees are being offered counselling.

Armed robberies or attempts such as this “are quite rare, certainly in Canada,” she said. “I wouldn’t even venture to guess what the stats are around the world. In Canada, we have armed guards; in some of the other countries in Europe, the guards are unarmed. All our employees are fully licensed to carry firearms. They all go through vigorous training.”

In December 2011, a G4S armoured vehicle was robbed outside the front doors of Century Casino in northeast Edmonton, where an employee was pepper-sprayed and attacked. G4S guards were at the casino to collect a package, conducting what had been described as a routine delivery.

Steinberg said she does not know how many employees are in Edmonton and couldn’t comment on what specific duties the victims might have been doing before this shooting.

The parent company, U.K.-based G4S plc., bills itself as the second-largest private employer in the world after Walmart, with more than 650,000 staff in 110 countries and 12,000 in Canada. It described the company in a promotional article published in January in the Canadian Business Journal as “the world leader in offering truly turnkey, integrated solutions to worldwide security challenges.”

The company launched its Canadian operations in 2000 as Securicor by buying cash service providers. It’s now called G4S Secure Solutions, which is headquartered in Mississauga, Ont.; Cash Solutions Canada is a subsidiary.

The company says on its website that among its operations, it transports cash to service thousands of customers. “ATMs play a major role in satisfying consumer demand for round-the-clock access to banking services, and G4S helps by maximizing the availability of ATMs and managing their cash levels.”

Brian Robertson, a Toronto-based security training consultant, called the shooting extraordinary.

“It’s not at all common for shots to end up being fired,” Robertson said. “Even in the United States, the number of incidents where you have multiple armoured car guards being shot would be an extraordinary circumstance.”

Robertson is a former director of the Justice Institute of B.C.’s private security program, which provided training for all armoured car guards. In that province, armoured car guards and security guards are regulated under provincial legislation. In Alberta, Robertson says the only regulatory scheme is federal.

“In terms of private enterprise, under the regulations of the federal Firearms Act there is a very small, narrow list of occupations you can be in where you’ll be able to get authorization to carry a restricted firearm,” he said. Armoured car guards are on that list, so “they’re licensed differently, trained differently and tasked differently” from other security personnel.

“If an individual is going to be an armoured car guard with a company like G4S, they’ll have to apply to the federal firearms officer in that jurisdiction to get a document called an authorization to carry a restricted firearm.” That requires a training course on firearm use and the use of force.

Robertson said the length of training for employees varies, but typically runs three to five days. “That training would involve competency on how to actually use the firearm and also involves training on the law with respect to firearms and the use of force.”

Employees are taught that guns are only to be used to “protect your life and the lives of others,” not to protect the bag of money, Robertson said.

“They are only ever to use the firearm in circumstances where they have reasonable grounds to believe it is necessary to use the firearm in order to protect their life or the life of another person. Armoured car guards are trained not to use the firearm to stop the robbery from being committed or to stop the bad guys from getting away.”

Robertson said the number of people working on an armoured car crew varies, “ but typically there’s always someone in the truck and typically whoever is carrying the money or servicing the ATM is accompanied by someone. In essence, they have their back watched by another officer who’s out of the truck.”

U of A officials had asked students living at HUB to remain in their rooms when the investigation began. As of 7 a.m., they were told they could leave the building, but couldn’t gain access again, said a university spokesman.

Carl Amrhein, the U of A provost and chairman of the university’s crisis management team, was contacted around 1 a.m.

“This is a terrible event and our thoughts go out to the loved ones of those who have suffered in this event,” Amrhein said.

He believes the campus will be operating regularly today except for the HUB complex, although students who are directly affected and have exams today can have them deferred if they wish.

The university is offering counselling to students affected by the events.

“We have a social media team, we have a website with an emergency broadcast system,” said Amrhein, adding the university also has an elaborate telephone system in a situation like this to notify students.

“The safety and security of our faculty, staff and students is our first priority and our campus protective services are working closely with Edmonton police.”

Police said they went door to door to speak with students and a campus-wide notification by the U of A was issued shortly before 6:30 a.m.

But first-year nursing student Kelsey Carruthers, who lives in Lister Centre, is unhappy with how students were informed and says only found out through a video uploaded onto Facebook.

“There were no alerts, no warning, no nothing (from the university),” Carruthers said. “And they say there’s no risk to students, but they haven’t caught the guy yet.”

She said even though she hasn’t slept all night, she had two exams today, and the university website said those will go ahead as scheduled.

“As much as it would be a pain to defer my exams, I think it’s disrespectful to the families (of the victims) that things are just carrying on,” she said.

“I’m a 19-year-old female student and I live alone in residence. I feel unsafe.”

Jacqueline Woo, a science student and HUB resident, said she and a friend heard two loud cracks just after 11:30 p.m. “We thought it was hammering or some sort of construction,” Woo said, her voice trembling.

The two friends left their room to investigate and found police officers running down the hall. They conferred with other concerned students and realized the two loud cracks had been gunshots. They continued walking to the north side of the mall until they found seven officers in bulletproof vests escorting a wounded man out of the mall on a stretcher.

The man’s shirt was off and his face was bloodied, Woo said.

The two women returned to their room and immediately turned to Twitter to get more information.

Julie Yekimchuk, a fourth-year bachelor of arts student at U of A, said news of the shooting spread quickly through the school on social media, with some students reporting they were “in lockdown” around 12:30 a.m.

“It’s pretty shocking,” Yekimchuk said. “You never think something like that could happen.”

She said the school was still a busy place with final exams and a conference taking place.

Around 4:30 a.m., three city buses remained at the University Transit Centre to shelter shocked students from a steady rain after dozens of police cars descended on the campus. One ambulance remained on the scene.

Portions of the mall were taped off by police with officers maintaining watch at various points around the building. Police said they expect the scene to be closed off for several hours.

Math student Yiran Cao is part of the emergency system and did not receive an email or alert at the time of the shooting.

“(There was) just no information from the university at the time,” Cao said. “Nobody came to us. Nobody secured us at the time.”

But the university spokesman said by the time the U of A had heard from city police, the suspect or suspects had already fled. The university didn’t want to alarm the 50,000 students.

The Canadian Political Science Association’s annual conference — attracting hundreds of delegates, students and professors from this country and around the world — is being held at the U of A this week. The university was working to contact organizers. “We think that the conference will be able to proceed.”

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Three+people+dead+after+University+Alberta+shootin g/6788479/story.html#ixzz1xt4gHpPz

jrcbecher
06-15-2012, 12:53 PM
Sad day and what a waste ! Money and greed are a terrible master and time will not heal the wounds and our prayers are only a small way to ease the grief that greed breeds.

lone-wolf
06-15-2012, 01:50 PM
You have to be pretty stupid & heartless to think you can kill/wound 4 co-workers and get away with the money.

jonanddad
06-15-2012, 04:17 PM
That is horrible. I read about this in the journal this morning.

RobSmith
06-15-2012, 04:22 PM
The antis will be all over this one.

Haywire1
06-15-2012, 04:39 PM
Too true unfortunately.

Drache
06-15-2012, 06:12 PM
The antis will be all over this one.

Cant really see how. It was a coworker supposedly on duty at the time. No real different than a police officer on duty shooting fellow officers to rob the evidence room.

lone-wolf
06-15-2012, 06:17 PM
Still wondering how it all went down.

RobSmith
06-15-2012, 06:24 PM
Sound like a classic ambush. Once the driver was out there were all sitting ducks.


Still wondering how it all went down.

OutdoorPursuitsCanada
06-15-2012, 11:44 PM
Our condolences to the victims families and friends in this horrific crime.

road kill
06-16-2012, 07:33 AM
Condolences to the families. First i have heard of this, missed watching the evening news last night.

davy crockett
06-16-2012, 04:08 PM
Gotta wonder what motivated this?

There's no way the guy doesn't get caught so I can't see it being a robbery unless it went bad.

Drache
06-16-2012, 04:54 PM
Gotta wonder what motivated this?

There's no way the guy doesn't get caught so I can't see it being a robbery unless it went bad.

It wasn't robbery. He stole the armored car and drove it back to the depot for his personal vehicle and left all the money in the armored truck.

Edward Teach
06-16-2012, 09:35 PM
It wasn't robbery. He stole the armored car and drove it back to the depot for his personal vehicle and left all the money in the armored truck.

Really? Hmmm...one of the guards was newly married. I wonder if that had anything to do with it.
Looks like he's been caught. Holy hell...in my backyard, so to speak!

Drache
06-16-2012, 10:47 PM
Looks like he's been caught.

The man wanted in connection wiuth a deadly armoured car heist at the University of Alberta has been arrested in British Columbia, police say..

Travis Baumgartner, 21, was stopped near a border crossing in Lynden, Wash.,, near the U.S.-Canada border southwest of Abbotsford, Edmonton police Sgt. Dave Reitzel said Saturday.

Baumgartner was alone in his pickup truck , Reitzel said.

Police have been searching for Baumgartner following an armoured-car robbery at the University of Alberta on Friday that left three guards dead and another seriously wounded.

Baumgartner has been charged with three counts of first-degree murder and one count of attempted murder.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2012/06/16/edmonton-baumgartner-arrested.html

RobSmith
06-17-2012, 12:29 AM
So basically the guy just went "postal" ?

Haywire1
06-17-2012, 05:52 AM
Condolences to the families.

Drache
06-17-2012, 10:51 AM
It wasn't robbery. He stole the armored car and drove it back to the depot for his personal vehicle and left all the money in the armored truck.

Ok for some reason when this started G4S said no money was missing yet when Travis was caught he had $330,000 in a backpack so it looks like he did take some of the money....

lone-wolf
06-17-2012, 02:35 PM
You can't trust no one.

94sahara
06-17-2012, 05:49 PM
It's too bad this schmuck won't get what he deserves since we don't believe in capital punishment. IMO this crime is made even more heinous than other murders given that he was in a position of trust with his fellow co-workers.

lone-wolf
06-19-2012, 08:20 PM
Ok, despite what others have said, the 4th victim is still alive. Not dead.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2012/06/19/edmonton-survivor-wife-university-alberta-shootings.html

Haywire1
06-19-2012, 08:29 PM
yep, he apparently opened his eyes, and squeezed his wife's hand today.

RobSmith
06-19-2012, 08:35 PM
Good to hear .... Rumors have been all over the map about this one.

Haywire1
06-19-2012, 08:42 PM
I read it on yahoo, sorry no link, you'll just have to trust me. lol

exmilitary
06-19-2012, 08:56 PM
I heard the eyes open and hand squeeze part on Global Edmonton tonight. Glad they said something on his condition. http://www.globaltvedmonton.com/ if that helps :)

80 seconds into the video they give details

Here is the video: http://www.globaltvedmonton.com/video/index.html?v=1J4lr_aJt1F0it5vDh58ezcgRw3Wig6E#earl ynews/video

Haywire1
06-19-2012, 08:58 PM
ah thank you, I figured one of the Edmonton group would have the link.

exmilitary
06-19-2012, 09:05 PM
Actually I'm a global news junkie LOL I actually get all twitchy when I miss my morning news hahahaha

50calshooter
06-19-2012, 11:43 PM
I personally am struggling with this one, I can't believe that guy gunned down his co-workers in cold blood, that bastard new they all had families. It's tough, I'm deeply saddened by this and my thoughts go out to the families and friends of all involved. I only hope that the families will somehow find some peace soon.

Haywire1
06-19-2012, 11:53 PM
I think it was a yahoo article on him, it noted that he had gang ties, and he had been with g4s for only a few months. I agree with you Derek, I just don't get people like that. I think it all comes down to entitlement. these youngster(god I sound old) have been given probation, community hours, scoldings, etc their entire lives, then all of a sudden, they are locked up and the key is tossed. If you had a puppy, and he always peed in the house, and all you did was tell him he was bad, cleaned up his mess, his whole life, then, when he is full grown, he did it, would you shoot him? or would you paddle his rear and put him outside every time until he learned? They call them juvenile delinquents, but that is an impossibility., either they are juvenile, and unable to truly understand properly, or they are delinquent, in which case they know how to behave, and choose not to. only liberal nanny state types would try to make them both. and sadly, we have had many many years of the nanny state.

Haywire1
06-20-2012, 08:48 AM
another update
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/background-checks-questioned-edmonton-armoured-car-company-killings-204526354.html

50calshooter
06-20-2012, 08:58 AM
I think it was a yahoo article on him, it noted that he had gang ties, and he had been with g4s for only a few months. I agree with you Derek, I just don't get people like that. I think it all comes down to entitlement. these youngster(god I sound old) have been given probation, community hours, scoldings, etc their entire lives, then all of a sudden, they are locked up and the key is tossed. If you had a puppy, and he always peed in the house, and all you did was tell him he was bad, cleaned up his mess, his whole life, then, when he is full grown, he did it, would you shoot him? or would you paddle his rear and put him outside every time until he learned? They call them juvenile delinquents, but that is an impossibility., either they are juvenile, and unable to truly understand properly, or they are delinquent, in which case they know how to behave, and choose not to. only liberal nanny state types would try to make them both. and sadly, we have had many many years of the nanny state.



Quoted for truth, bang on.

Haywire1
06-20-2012, 09:21 AM
been given probation, community hours, scoldings, etc their entire lives, then all of a sudden, they are locked up and the key is tossed. If you had a puppy, and he always peed in the house, and all you did was tell him he was bad, cleaned up his mess, his whole life, then, when he is full grown, he did it, would you shoot him? or would you paddle his rear and put him outside every time until he learned? They call them juvenile delinquents, but that is an impossibility., either they are juvenile, and unable to truly understand properly, or they are delinquent, in which case they know how to behave, and choose not to.

I cannot take credit for it. It is a quote from Starship Troopers, the novel by Robert Heinlein. It is way way better then the movies, There are a lot of discussions while the main character is in class, and many things the main character ponders as he encounters things in his life, that are even more applicable now then in the 50's when the book was written. Another quote speaks to the insanity defense, which this bozo may try. Just after a member of his unit deserts, kidnaps a girl for ransom, and the girl dies, and the perp is caught. "If he was insane, and can't be cured, then he should be executed, rather then risk the rest of us, if insanity is a sickness then when he is healed, he would kill himself, for noone could live with the knowledge of what he had done to that little girl." quotes might not be exact, as I am going off memory.