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Billythreefeathers
08-10-2015, 09:53 AM
Kelly McParland: Kathleen Wynne helps no one with her outbursts about Harper

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/kelly-mcparland-kathleen-wynne-helps-no-one-with-her-outbursts-about-harper

Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne is entering some bizarre territory in her ongoing verbal assault on Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

Wynne’s latest effort is the suggestion that, had Harper been prime minister instead of Sir John A. Macdonald, Canada’s national railway would never have been built.

Wynne seems set on reviving the days when Ontario sought to dictate policy to Canada.
“If Stephen Harper had been the Prime Minister instead of Sir John A. Macdonald and B.C. had said ’well we need a railway,’ he would have said ‘well, you know, we’re not going to help you with that, build it yourself,”’ Wynne said while appearing with Bill Blair, the former Toronto police chief who is running as one of Justin Trudeau’s Liberal candidates in the October election.
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This is an odd statement, considering the considerable efforts Ottawa has put into convincing Ontario to get behind Energy East, the transcontinental pipeline that would move crude from Alberta and Saskatchewan to Saint John. It’s a truly national project, it would work to the benefit of the country as a whole, would create jobs and expand domestic refining activity, and the provinces at the east and west ends of the pipeline are strongly in favour. It would unite an NDP government in Alberta with a Liberal government in New Brunswick, but is being held up by the Liberal governments in two provinces in the middle – Ontario and Quebec – which have no real skin in the game except for the fact the pipeline would cross through their territory. The Ontario leg already exists, in fact. TransCanada Corp., the builder, would simply reverse the direction of flow. Canada has been building pipelines for decades; there is no question of our expertise. There is no reason to hold up the project, in fact, but narrow provincial political gamesmanship, which is exactly what Wynne is practicing.


THE CANADIAN PRESS/James WestNew Brunswick Premier Brian Gallant says Energy East would be a great benefit to New Brunswick, but Ontario and Quebec won't let it through.
Wynne and Quebec Premier Philippe Bouchard have issued a list of conditions they want met before they will deign to support the project. The aim is mostly to please environmental concerns that TransCanada is well aware of. If Sir John A. had faced similar efforts to derail the railway over patently partisan provincial antics, the great project might indeed never have been completed. But it wouldn’t have been Ottawa’s fault, it would have been that of petty, narrow-minded premiers protecting their flanks at the expense of the country as a whole.


Andrew Coyne: Premiers’ energy strategy just an agreement to do as they like
Wynne’s motives are no secret. She doesn’t get along with Harper, a situation for which they both carry some blame. The Ontario premier’s latest complaint is Ottawa’s refusal to help her collect the deductions to be imposed on Ontarians as part of the province’s new pension plan. There has been plenty of criticism of the plan: it would apply to only about half the workforce, add costs to business when they are already struggling with a downturn, remove more money from paycheques that are already stretched, and put pressure on Ontario’s sliding economy. Ottawa contemplated expanding the Canada Pension Plan but passed on the idea for exactly those reasons. Now Wynne is having a tantrum because it won’t ignore its own findings and save her the cost of collecting the pension payments on her own.


THE CANADIAN PRESS/Andrew VaughanCanada's premiers have tried repeatedly to agree on a shared energy accord, without success.
Wynne complains that Harper prefers dealing with premiers one-on-one rather than submitting himself to the regular provincial get-togethers at which problems are discussed and avoided. The premiers can’t even agree among themselves at these talk-fests – the most recent broke up after failing once again to come to agreement on a joint energy strategy, other than to continue taking 10 separate approaches as they see fit.

“We need provincial and federal leaders working together to make sure that decisions that are made benefit their shared constituents, because Ontarians are Canadians, they’re not a different group of people,” says Wynne. Except the premiers rarely manage to “work together” with Ottawa other than to demand it send them more money, or collect more on their behalf.

Wynne is banking heavily on Justin Trudeau emerging as prime minister in October. If he fails – and a Liberal victory remains a long-shot – she will do Ontario no favours by alienating it from the federal government. While Alberta’s new NDP government makes a point of seeking cooperation with other leaders, Wynne seems set on reviving the days when Ontario sought to dictate policy to Canada. She’s on very slippery ground where that’s concerned. A have-not province with the country’s biggest deficits and a falling credit rating has no place issuing edicts to others.

Billythreefeathers
08-10-2015, 09:55 AM
I beg to differ,, her outburst are helping one candidate,, PM Harper ;)

TheHydrant
08-10-2015, 10:03 AM
Andrew Coyne: Premiers’ energy strategy just an agreement to do as they like
Wynne’s motives are no secret. She doesn’t get along with Harper, a situation for which they both carry some blame. The Ontario premier’s latest complaint is Ottawa’s refusal to help her collect the deductions to be imposed on Ontarians as part of the province’s new pension plan. There has been plenty of criticism of the plan: it would apply to only about half the workforce, add costs to business when they are already struggling with a downturn, remove more money from paycheques that are already stretched, and put pressure on Ontario’s sliding economy. Ottawa contemplated expanding the Canada Pension Plan but passed on the idea for exactly those reasons. Now Wynne is having a tantrum because it won’t ignore its own findings and save her the cost of collecting the pension payments on her own.



sheesh....I pay in to 2 pension plans already...now I have a 3rd to look forward to. And the way the liberals are going, I would have a hard time believing that money wouldn't be squandered away by the time I retire. And any Ontario residents who work in Quebec will still have to pay into this plan at tax time. Que. won't deduct it from your pay for you, so you'd better be ready to pay up in April.

FALover
08-10-2015, 10:14 AM
Wynne is a complete idiot. Not happy with screwing Ontario over, she now wants to do the same to the entire country. As for any hopes that her precious Justin will be her savior, good luck with that. There is a better chance of finding a 'cure' for stupid.

soulchaser
08-10-2015, 11:42 AM
sheesh....I pay in to 2 pension plans already...now I have a 3rd to look forward to. And the way the liberals are going, I would have a hard time believing that money wouldn't be squandered away by the time I retire. And any Ontario residents who work in Quebec will still have to pay into this plan at tax time. Que. won't deduct it from your pay for you, so you'd better be ready to pay up in April.

If you already have a company pension plan, you're SUPPOSED to be exempt from the ORPP.

Neil Burke
08-10-2015, 06:43 PM
If you already have a company pension plan, you're SUPPOSED to be exempt from the ORPP.

True, but how long is it going to be before they pipe up with one or both of the following: 1) It is too complicated and costing us too much money to track who does and does not have a company pension plan. Some are even lying about it so EVERYONE must now contribute. Or 2) The plan is underfunded to solve this we are not going to increase contribution percentages but make the plan mandatory for EVERYONE and only those without a company pension plan equal to the ORPP will receive a benefit.

soulchaser
08-11-2015, 08:34 AM
She's supposed to "clarify" her ORPP plan today.

You're exempt if you have a company pension where the employer contributes 4% or higher.

Does that exempt all her union buddies????

Foxer
08-11-2015, 09:10 AM
OORP. I would personally refuse to support any plan that sounded like someone got punched in the stomach.

I have to agree that wynne is not going to help justin's cause by jumping into this fight at all. And ontario voters kind of like having one flavour provincially and another federally - one kind of offsets the other - and she's just going to be hammering home that they don't need MORE of what they don't like about the libs. MORE carbon taxes, MORE poor fiscal management, etc etc.

And ontario is the last hurdle for harper to take a majority. He'll do just fine in the west I think, and he'll hold enough seats in quebec to say he represents them. If he wins the majority of seats in ontario - i think he'll walk away with another majority and the libs will be in severe trouble.