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soulchaser
09-03-2015, 03:40 PM
So, by now I'm sure you've all seen the picture of the body of Alan, the little 3 year old Syrian refugee washed up on the Turkish shore after the boat his family was on trying to get out of Turkey to Greece capsized and he, his 5 year old brother and mother drowned. His father survived.

Well, NDP MP Fin Donnelly rushed to the media claiming he HAND DELIVERED Abdullah's (Alan's father) refugee APPLICATION, made by Abdullah's sister in BC to Immigration Minister Chris Alexander months ago and it was rejected.

https://www.straight.com/news/522781/family-syrian-boy-found-dead-turkish-beach-was-trying-get-canada-help-family-vancouver
"Fin Donnelly, NDP MP New Westminster—Coquitlam, reportedly "hand delivered" the family's application to Citizenship and Immigration Minister Chris Alexander. Donnelly told the Citizen that Alexander said he would look into it."

Turns out THERE WAS NO APPLICATION MADE for Abdullah. His sister confirmned it. So, did he intentionally lie to score points on a dead 3 year old?

R&R Rancher
09-03-2015, 03:52 PM
The MSM will jump all over this!

This is the sort of thing doesn't surprise me after years of provincial NDP rule. I hope the CPC hammer home the message that the party that wants to lead this country are willing to lie about the death of a 3 year old refuge to get votes. Imagine what else they might do.

FALover
09-03-2015, 03:59 PM
Not up to speed on the whole story but, I heard a snippet on the radio today and they had already said that Chris Alexander will have to do a lot of explaining about this poor immigrants plight. I wonder if I will hear anything about how this was a fabrication by a dip for his 'professional' gain?

Prairie Dog
09-03-2015, 04:11 PM
Mulcair and Trudeau lied for political gain???? Noooooooooo, wouldn't happen.


Government officials say that the Syrian family whose young children drowned off the coast of Turkey didn’t formally apply for asylum and that an application was made instead for another relative.

The tragedy that struck the family of Abdullah Kurdi, who lost his wife, Rehanna, and their two sons, three-year-old Alan and Ghalib, 5, had made front-page headlines around the world.

Mr. Kurdi’s sister, Tima, lives in British Columbia and had said she petitioned Immigration Minister Chris Alexander to accept her relatives.

Citizenship and Immigration Canada said in a statement Thursday afternoon that the department had handled an application for another Kurdi brother, Mohammad, not for Abdullah and his family.

“An application for Mr. Mohammad Kurdi and his family was received by the department but was returned as it was incomplete as it did not meet regulatory requirements for proof of refugee status recognition,” the statement said.

“There was no record of an application received for Mr Abdullah Kurdi and his family.”

The department also denied that if had offered citizenship to Abdullah Kurdi. Reporters in Turkey had quoted him saying he refused an offer of citizenship.

During a tear-filled press conference, Tima said the family's efforts to get to Canada was hobbled by lack of money and paperwork requirements.

"To be honest I don't want to just blame the Canadian government...I'm blaming the whole world," she said.

She said Mohammad couldn't provide a Turkish document which was the equivalent of a work permit.

After his application was rejected, Mohammad made his way to Germany but his family is still stranded in Turkey, Tima said.

"He regrets being in Germany and leaving his family behind."

She said she hadn't filled an application for Abdullah's family because she couldn't afford it yet.

She wanted to sponsor her relatives privately, with guarantors among her family, friends and neighbours. "Financially, I said I can only sponsor one family at a time. I didn't ask the Canadian government for financial anything," she said.

Instead, she wrote a letter to which her local MP delivered to Mr. Alexander.

She said the letter asked "Please, is there any way you can help my family come here."

There was no response.

After she told Abdullah she could not afford to sponsor him, the family then decided to try to cross to Europe.

She sent money to pay smugglers, broken into smaller amounts so it could be wired more easily -- "one thousand here, one thousand there."

Abdullah was supposed to go by himself. But he said his wife couldn't work and won't have been able to support the children by herself in Turkey, even though Tima was sending money for the rent.

So the whole family decided to go together, even though the wife, Rehanna, said she was scared of the water.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/family-of-drowned-child-did-not-apply-for-asylum-in-canada-ottawa/article26213820/?click=sf_globe

Forbes/Hutton
09-03-2015, 04:28 PM
And Justin wanted to send warm jackets to help these people. Even a life jacket would have proved more useful.

bettercallsaul
09-03-2015, 06:18 PM
Liars. Every one of them.

Edenchef
09-03-2015, 06:23 PM
Progressives/Socialists..........Never miss an opportunity for a good ole grave dance. Especially on the campaign trail.

Forbes/Hutton
09-03-2015, 07:50 PM
On yahoo the grave dancing, blaming Canada has completely backfired on Justin and Tom.

Read the comments: https://ca.news.yahoo.com/canadian-government-under-fire-case-drowned-syrian-toddler-130002648.html Either the lefties agree or their just not posting, it's 99% "how dare anyone blame Canada and it's not really our problem, bring everyone in WILL make it our problem".

Donny Fenn
09-03-2015, 07:57 PM
this is the Cecil the Lion of this month, if anyone is to blame it's Turkey and the anti-Kurd sentiment there
the family wasn't escaping Syria, they had already done that, they were escaping Turkey to get to Europe (somewhere else in Europe I guess)
the spin on this terrible event has been crazy

lone-wolf
09-03-2015, 08:02 PM
I could of swore that Harper put the boy on a boat, and then sank the boat out at sea. That's the impression cbc news gave me.

So, the story is they fled syria, and ended up in Turkey, and in their effort to get to Europe(Greece iirc)... not Canada, they took a ride in a boat that sadly sank?
Could they have remained in Turkey while an application is submitted? Why, why not?

Forbes/Hutton
09-03-2015, 08:04 PM
I could of swore that Harper put the boy on a boat, and then sank the boat out at sea. That's the impression cbc news gave me.

So, the story is they fled syria, and ended up in Turkey, and in their effort to get to Europe(Greece iirc)... not Canada, they took a ride in a boat that sadly sank?
Could they have remained in Turkey while an application is submitted? Why, why not?

No one's sure how it's Canada's fault. It certainly wasn't a torpedo from one of our subs...

Prairie Dog
09-03-2015, 09:54 PM
TODAY'S QUESTION

How can Canada best address the migrant crisis?

Accepting more refugees 1238 (24 %)

Fighting Islamic State 2840 (54 %)

Sending aid 1182 (22 %)

Total number of votes: 5260

http://www.ctvnews.ca/

soulchaser
09-03-2015, 10:33 PM
TODAY'S QUESTION

How can Canada best address the migrant crisis?

Accepting more refugees 1238 (24 %)

Fighting Islamic State 2840 (54 %)

Sending aid 1182 (22 %)

Total number of votes: 5260

http://www.ctvnews.ca/

1) Definitely not the results CTV were looking for.

2) For a story that has been receiving constant news coverage for the last 24 hours, with the media in full out anti-Conservative, lets make this a campaign issue mode, the survey only got 5260 votes?

Prairie Dog
09-03-2015, 10:36 PM
Nenshi chimes in:


Mayor Naheed Nenshi blasted the federal Conservative government Thursday for its handling of the Syrian refugee crisis, which has been symbolized in the media around the world by the image of a drowned three-year-old boy.

“We’re a country of generosity and we’re a country of opportunity,” Nenshi said, according to CBC News. “The fact that we have not even taken the Syrian refugees that we have committed to take, let alone taking many more people who are fleeing the most desperate situation only looking for opportunity in the world, to me is a disgrace.”

...

Nenshi joined a growing chorus of critics who have accused the Conservative government of failing to adequately respond to this growing crisis.

The Conservatives declined to respond to the Calgary mayor’s barbs directly, suggesting Nenshi may have based his comments on “misinformation” circulating about the Tory record.

Instead, the party referred to comments by Conservative leader Stephen Harper, who called the plight of the Kurdi family “heartbreaking.” At an election campaign stop in Coquitlam, B.C., Harper said he has visited refugee camps in Jordan and Iraq, where he witnessed the fallout of a humanitarian crisis he said is only getting worse.

http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/nenshi-calls-ottawas-response-to-syrian-refugee-crisis-disgraceful

kennymo
09-03-2015, 10:50 PM
If they're choosy, should they die as a result? I'm a bleeding heart, I admit, but if someone wants better, should we not help?


Holy crap. Qatar UAE Saudis are accepting NO refugees. They have more money than the rest of world. That's the point. They aren't being "choosey". Do you believe these people are saying " I want Canada or Germany or nothing " or " get me out before I get killed and my daughter ends up a sex slave"

The fact you think that family in a boat the Mediterranean was discussing where best to settle on the earth blows my mind.

My favorite social media argument so far... Canada seems kinda pissed.

soulchaser
09-03-2015, 10:50 PM
“We’re a country of generosity and we’re a country of opportunity,” Nenshi said, according to CBC News. “The fact that we have not even taken the Syrian refugees that we have committed to take, let alone taking many more people who are fleeing the most desperate situation only looking for opportunity in the world, to me is a disgrace.”

Well, Nenshi, we've committed to taking 11,000 Syrian refugees BY THE END OF 2017. We've taken in something like 2,300.

Last I checked, we're in 2015

Prairie Dog
09-03-2015, 11:28 PM
1) Definitely not the results CTV were looking for.

Not a word, nothing, on CTV National news.

soulchaser
09-03-2015, 11:41 PM
Not a word, nothing, on CTV National news.

I assume you mean about the poll.

Because that nauseating, clearly Liberal gas bag Lisa LaFlamme spent the first 10 to 15 minutes of the broadcast spewing anti-Conservative venom over the story.

Prairie Dog
09-03-2015, 11:44 PM
I assume you mean about the poll.

Because that nauseating, clearly Liberal gas bag Lisa LaFlamme spent the first 10 to 15 minutes of the broadcast spewing anti-Conservative venom over the story.

Yes, the poll. Sorry for not clarifying.

soulchaser
09-04-2015, 09:03 AM
CBC STILL trying to insinuate it was the dead boys family trying to come to Canada despite the Aunt clearly saying sh tried to sponsor the dead boy's UNCLE and HIS family.

From a story posted this morning:

“Family sought refuge in Canada

What Canada didn’t do, apparently, is much of anything to assist the Kurdi family to get to Canada, where Alan Kurdi’s aunt,*Tima Kurdi, was trying to sponsor them.

She told reporters that her brother’s family wanted to come to this country. She’d even written a letter to Immigration Minister*Chris Alexander, asking for help. The letter was delivered to Alexander, in person, by New Democrat Fin Donnelly, her MP.”

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/harper-alan-kurdi-photo-syria-refugees-1.3215028

speedloader
09-04-2015, 10:03 AM
“We’re a country of generosity and we’re a country of opportunity,” Nenshi said, according to CBC News. “The fact that we have not even taken the Syrian refugees that we have committed to take, let alone taking many more people who are fleeing the most desperate situation only looking for opportunity in the world, to me is a disgrace.”

Well, Nenshi, we've committed to taking 11,000 Syrian refugees BY THE END OF 2017. We've taken in something like 2,300.

Last I checked, we're in 2015

check out the comments in the Calgary sun today saying the same, its a Liberal gift to have one foot in your mouth it seems

http://www.calgarysun.com/2015/09/03/calgary-mayor-nenshi-calls-federal-governments-syrian-refugee-crisis-response-disgrace

awndray
09-04-2015, 10:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOR38552MJA

soulchaser
09-04-2015, 01:13 PM
Even the Toronto Star has acknowledged her letter to Alexander was regarding her brother mohammad and his family, NOT her brother Abdullah the dead boys fatheand his family.

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2015/09/03/canada-rejected-request-to-take-in-family-of-drowned-syrian-boy.html

"When Tima Kurdi tried to sponsor her brother Mohammed Kurdi and his family to come to Canada as refugees, she found herself mired in a Catch-22 of red tape and bureaucratize.
In a pleading letter obtained by the Star dated March 17, Kurdi begged Minister of Citizenship and Immigration Chris Alexander to allow them (and not her other brother Abdullah, the father of the two drowned Syrian boys) to come to Canada as refugees."

the letter is at the link.

soulchaser
09-06-2015, 09:32 AM
Long read, but interesting. No idea the credibility of the source:


Aylan Kurdi’s family had FREE housing in Turkey, while father’s story is full of holes
Posted on September 4, 2015 by Admin 79 Comments






61 Votes


4 millions Muslims pretend to escape 30,000 ISIS fighters who are not even near their towns, cities and even countries. This kind of mass-migration fraud is a medieval war strategy and it’s called Hijrah. It’s part of jihad.
Ok, so let’s follow the absurd and deeply misused asylum and refugee policy and pretend that they are victims of war and need to escape. Very easy to resolve. Pressure the 49 Islamic countries around the world to take them all in. Block them from all and total entry into the West. If the Islamic countries don’t take them in – put trade sanctions on them. Watch and see how quickly this mass-migration flood will come to an end when the Muslims realize that they can’t get their Hijrah to work!
Abdullah Kurdi’s story is made-up. But his lies are now being used and rewarded by the media in full blown propaganda, while pressuring policies to force Europe to take in more economic migrants who have never experienced a war zone. The dead toddler pornography is a dream-come true PR campaign serving ISIS and their overwhelming Muslim supporters.
Abdullah was never on that boat to watch his wife and children drown. That’s why he was the only survivor. The first time he learned of their death was from the hospital after the photos of his young son was circulating in the media. Listen to all the contradictions and holes in his story.
This was an attempt to send his wife and children into Europe before his own arrival to apply for refugee status as a lone woman with children, while they never even lived in a war zone.
Unfold the #migrationfraud :

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After leaving from what they say was a war zone (Syria is huge and the entire country is not a war zone) the Kurdi family was given FREE housing in Turkey and had been there for THREE years. Abdullah Kurdi was not in any war zone. He was safe, he had food, he had over $4,400 in cash, which is over 13,000 Turkish Lira – so why did he leave?

Frankly the whole story simply doesn’t add up.

This is what he told the press initially, as reported in the Guardian yesterday:

“I took over and started steering. The waves were so high and the boat flipped. I took my wife and my kids in my arms and I realised they were all dead,” he told AP.

Let’s look at all the details of his story.

The report according to Abdullah’s own words is that he lived in Turkey for three years and prior to that he had lived in Damascus. His sister makes the story even more confusing saying that Abdullah was a barber originally from Damascus, who fled from Kobani to Turkey but “dreamed of a future in Canada” for his family. Was he living in Damascus or Kobani? Kobani is over 500 kms from Damascus.

After “fleeing” from “war zone” Kobani he now wants to return to Kobani to attend — a funeral. Huh…? So he’s safe to fly back by plane to Kobani and attend a funeral. And guess what? ISIS was not even in Kobani when Kurdi claims his family “fled” from ISIS.

ISIS was not in Damascus either three years ago when Kurdi claims he lived there. ISIS entered only a small rural part of northern Damascus last year and targeted a remote refugee camp with “Palestinians” earlier in 2015 and were pushed out. ISIS is present in a quarter of the country in Northern Syria, not in the South.

While Western media reports that he was trying to reach Canada, Swedish media are being given reports by Kurdi that he was trying to reach Sweden and that he had been receiving FREE housing in Turkey for three years. Abdullah claims he was trying to reach Canada but was denied asylum – while Canadian authorities say they have never received any application from him at all. Which story does Abdullah want to stick to?

What we’re reading here is a story about relatives serving as people smugglers to other relatives living in Turkey. This is what happened with Kurdi. His own family in Canada are his people smugglers trying to come up with ways for him to illegally fraud the immigration system, and make up stories about threats that he never experienced.

The father, Abdullah Kurdi, is giving different stories depending on who he is talking to. His sister Fatima gave an account of a phone conversation with her brother Abdullah that is reported in the DailyMail. That story is different to the one Abdullah Kurdi gave to the press.

Listen to the bits here from DailyMail:

Reliving the moments after the dinghy capsized and the Mediterranean waves crashed around them, Abdullah Kurdi described how he’d pleaded with his sons to keep breathing, telling them he didn’t want them to die.

It was only when he looked down at their faces and saw blood in Aylan’s eyes that he realised the boys had died in his arms and he was forced to let them go.

Looking around in the water, he spotted the body of his wife Rehan ‘floating like a balloon’. She had also drowned.

…and the version his sister Fatima gives, the DailyMail, is here:

Yesterday his sister Tima – who is also known as Fatima – revealed how the grief-stricken father had relived the final moments of his boys’ lives in a phone conversation she’d had with him.

‘When a bigger wave came and flipped the boat upside down, Abdullah right away caught both his kids and tried so hard with all the power he had to keep them up from the water, screaming, ‘Breathe, breathe, I don’t want you to die!’,’ she said.

‘In his left arm was Galip and he saw he was dead and he told me, ‘I had to let him go’,’ she added.

Then he looked at Aylan and could see blood from his eyes, so he closed them and said, ‘rest in peace my son,’ she went on to say.

She said that while he was still in the water, Abdullah saw his wife’s dead body floating in the water ‘like a balloon’, causing him to struggle to recognise her.

Sobbing uncontrollably Abdullah yesterday recalled his terror when the flimsy and overcrowded dinghy overturned, causing the night to be pierced by the screams of his fellow Syrian refugees as he clung on to his wife.

‘I was holding her, but my children slipped through my hands,’ he said.

‘We tried to cling to the boat, but it was deflating. It was dark and everyone was screaming. I could not hear the voices of my children and my wife.’

The wife was ‘a balloon’ in less than three hours ? The rate of decay to a dead body in water is not instant. Obviously Abdullah had no idea how dead people in water decay and he knew at some point they would bloat, so he described his wife in a condition of decay that takes days to mature. Here from The Forensic Library is a description:

Bloated (2-6 days)
This stage of decomposition includes the first visible signs of decay, namely the inflation of the abdomen due to a build-up of various gases produced by bacteria inside the cadaver. This bloating is particularly visible around the tongue and eyes as the build-up of gases cause them to protrude. The skin may exhibit a certain colour change, taking on a marbled appearance due to the transformation of haemoglobin in the blood into other pigments.

Although Abdullah claims to have seen the dead bodies of his two children and his wife after their boat was hit by two large waves, his story then changes and he claims that he made it safely to the beach. He now assumed that the wife, who had laid bloated and drowned, and the two small boys who he had seen drowned right in front of him and he knew were dead, had managed somehow to make it alive to the beach. He could not find them on the beach so he assumed they had “become scared and ran away”. He now sees these dead people nowhere. But he only finds the “truth” about their death after going to the hospital where their bodies were kept.

Can someone explain to us how dead bodies run away? In other words, he only knew they were dead after the pictures of his son started showing up in the media reports. Here’s his own account reported in the DailyMail:

Over the following three hellish hours in the water, [in the short time his wife turned onto a ‘balloon’ – a sign of decomposing that only occurs 2-6 days later] Mr Kurdi battled for survival, while frantically searching for his sons and his wife, who had also been pulled from his reach. He found one child but it was too late – the boy had drowned.

‘My first son died from the high waves,’ he said. ‘I was obliged to leave him to save the other one. I tried to swim to the beach by following the lights.

‘I looked for my wife and child on the beach but couldn’t find them. I thought they had got scared and had run away and I went back to Bodrum.

‘When they did not come to our meeting point I went to the hospital and learned the bitter truth.’ (How can he learn the bitter truth when he claimed earlier that he saw them die and tried to save one of the sons, who had already drowned? He then attempted to save the second one who was dead with bloodied eyes, while finding his wife floating and bloated in the water. How can dead people like this run away?)

The barber had paid people smugglers £2,900 over the course of three attempts to reach Greece from a refugee camp in Turkey.

But he has told friends he wished he had also drowned to be spared a lifetime of self-recrimination over the family’s desperate gamble for a better life.

Pictures of Aylan and Galip have been shared by social networkers around the world, prompting calls for politicians to do more for fleeing Syrians.

So you can hear that we have completely different stories coming from Abdullah that don’t even match.

He doesn’t even know what exactly happened. This man was never on that boat and never watched his wife and children drown. That is why he was the only survivor without any injuries and without any need for medical help, although he claims to have undergone a violent and desperate situation for over three hours where everyone else drowned. He is lying and making the story up. We’ve worked long enough with these humanitarian issues to recognize a tall tale. Basically, the fragmented and fabricated story indicates to us that the wife and children were sent to arrive before him as a lone mother and children (easier to get accepted). Of course, this advice would come from his own family already living in Canada and parts of Europe who know more about the dhimmitude of Europe, now serving as long-distance human smugglers. The wife has clearly been told to go first, get her refugee case handled, and then help to get him entry at a later date where he can join them with a forged passport.

It’s all fraud. All of this explains his dry crocodile tears. No wonder his sister Fatima was crying more than her brother who lost his entire family. She suffers from deep guilt that their strategies caused the death of a woman who could not swim and was afraid, and the death of two small children. They’re intentionally frauding the system. And now they also push propaganda to open the floodgates to the rest of these fraudsters.

It is however, noteworthy to hear this comment coming from Abdullah Kurdi that he does not mind sacrificing his wife and children for his agenda, according to his sister Fatima in Canada:

‘Of course it makes me sad that it’s taken this [tragedy] to make people realise what is going on,’ she said, adding: ‘Abdullah said, its ok if it has to be my kids and my wife who wake up the world, its ok. If it’s been written to happen that way, it was supposed to happen.’

And the Turkish people smuggler President Tayyip Erdogan responded to the deaths in his country’s waters by saying: “European countries, which have turned the Mediterranean, the cradle of the world’s oldest civilizations, into a cemetery for refugees, shares the sin for every refugee who loses their life.”

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2015/09/04/family-of-drowned-toddler-aylan-kurdi-had-been-given-free-housing-in-turkey-while-fathers-story-is-full-of-holes/