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no2fembots
10-24-2015, 10:15 PM
I signed up as a business to the CCFR today. I paid the $100.00 fee. I then donated $1000.00. There is plenty more where that came from.

I could not sign up using the name of my company; and, as much as I would love to have my business website linked to the CCFR, I can't. My business is federally and provincially funded.... Kiss of death to be associated with any politically incorrect enterprise. I have staff and they have families. Enough said.

I have donated heavily to the CPC over the years. One time, I was very upset about one thing or another that the CPC did or did not do. I wrote a wordy (I prefer "pithy") letter stating in no uncertain terms that the tap was shut off and that, henceforth, my largess would in future be targeted to the organizations that were truly fighting for property rights - the underpinning of true democratic freedom, IMHO - ie:, firearms orgs.

True to my word, that day I sent a substantial amount of cash to 2 firearms orgs. One org actually called my up and requested confirmation that, yes, I really stood by my expenditure. What really got me was the fact that the dollar amount ,to me, was not extravagant. Said To me that gun owners are a cheap bunch of ...!

Listen, I would love to join the cause at an activist level. I have money, I have a very expensive education (psychology, no less) and I am photogenic! What's not to like? But, as previously alluded to, to be on the radar would be financial suicide. So, all I can do is provide money. And I WILL DO SO!

All you wannabes out there... put up or shut up! If you can afford to buy even one box of ammo per month, then can you not see fit to donate said amount to the CCFR? What is your freedom worth to you? I would give anything to be able to get above the radar and CONTRIBUTE to the FIGHT!!! I simply can not!!!!!!!

But I have a wallet and I know how to use it! For the love of whatever you may hold dear, do what is in your power to do: get up off your knees and CONTRIBUTE!

Foxer
10-24-2015, 10:31 PM
True words. Some can contribute money. Some can contribute time and energy. Some can do a little of both.

Whatever you can do - do.

And i'd rethink the CPC thing ... they may not be perfect and no gov't will, but as we're about to find out they're still a HELL of a lot better than the alternatives :)

no2fembots
10-24-2015, 10:51 PM
I did not state previously that, after my missive, I decided to still contribute to the CPC. I maxed out my allowable each and every year.

Foxer, I can not overemphasize just how much the very idea of the CCFR means to me! I felt true despair when the man whose name shall not be mentioned won the election. I actually went and bought 20 acres of land in the good ole US of A just in case me and Mrs. N2F need a bolt hole to escape the nascent socialist revolution in Canuckistan.

It is great to see real adults take to the stage and commit to the good fight! Perhaps all is not lost after all.

Foxer
10-25-2015, 12:18 AM
I did not state previously that, after my missive, I decided to still contribute to the CPC. I maxed out my allowable each and every year.

Foxer, I can not overemphasize just how much the very idea of the CCFR means to me! I felt true despair when the man whose name shall not be mentioned won the election. I actually went and bought 20 acres of land in the good ole US of A just in case me and Mrs. N2F need a bolt hole to escape the nascent socialist revolution in Canuckistan.

It is great to see real adults take to the stage and commit to the good fight! Perhaps all is not lost after all.
All is never lost :) Remember - trudeau didn't really win by any major landslide. And - that's about as united as the left gets - and they still only took a majority by 14 seats and unfortunately a lot of gun owners and other traditional cpc support were convniced to stay home this time to 'punish' the cpc. Unfortunately, as they're about to learn, we're the ones who're going to get punished. I suspect they'll be back behind the CPC next time.

Look at the polls - they stayed rock solid steady between the libs and the dips. Basically - there was one left wing vote and they were just waiting to see which party was going to 'break out' and pull ahead - and as soon as one did after the french debate the entire left dogpiled on the potential winner, so it was very much like the liberals got the benefit of BOTH campaigns this time out. They won't get that next time.

We're going to have some battles - there's some crap they're going to try to pull especially with voting rules that we're going to have to fight back against tooth and nail. And we're not going to win them all in the short term. But - we CAN put a cpc gov't back in and fix what the libs do. It's just going to take all of us working together,

My head still wants to see the bylaws and such. But my heart says this org COULD have a HUGE role to play to bring gun owners together to fight specific issues and to bring the public on side. It's going to take time for it to find it's wings, i think we all know that, but i think it's got potential.

So yeah - keep your head up and keep your hope up. This ain't over.

no2fembots
10-25-2015, 10:37 AM
I have never understood the mind of any voter who would "punish" their party of choice by voting for the opposite politicos! True measure of insanity!

Speaking of insanity... Once again, I appreciate your level head and rational outlook. I fear my exposure to far too much "book learnin'" has filled my head with oatmeal! (tip of the hat to Vlad!) :run:

FALover
10-25-2015, 11:11 AM
As much as I ridicule Leafs fans I give them credit for supporting their team of choice no matter how dismal they perform. It is not that way with many in the political game. Jumping ship is commonplace as few want to be known for voting for 'losers'. I have always voted conservative as I know where the other options will lead us. Fixed income has me tied down put I joined the CCFR and still donate to the CPC. A small price to pay to know that you are trying to make a difference. To those who expect to ride the coat tails of those who are doing something, back off. You are holding us down and deserve what you put into it. Time,effort and cash are what has always been needed. Get involved now!

Edenchef
10-25-2015, 12:00 PM
I felt true despair when the man whose name shall not be mentioned won the election.

You make him sound like Lord Voldemort; this is a grevious insult to really evil villains everywhere. :evil1: IMHO, he is much, much more dangerous.........he is a concieted ass---e and congenitaly stupid

RangeBob
10-25-2015, 01:51 PM
I paid the $100.00 fee. I then donated $1000.00.

Which is better:
a) joining and donating, or
b) joining 26 times with different 'names', only one with insurance, and no donation.

FALover
10-26-2015, 03:08 AM
Which is better:
a) joining and donating, or
b) joining 26 times with different 'names', only one with insurance, and no donation.

Both ways get the cash on board but 26 memberships inflates the numbers and makes the organization look more successful. If you go the 26 route stick Justines name on one and continue with his senior cabinet members. Ms. Cukier needs one as well.

RangeBob
10-26-2015, 07:04 AM
If you go the 26 route stick Justines name on one and continue with his senior cabinet members. Ms. Cukier needs one as well.
A random name generator, like this link (http://www.behindthename.com/random/), would be better.

TJSpeller
10-26-2015, 08:13 AM
One organization that is fighting for real freedom, that I have supported over the years, is the Canadian Constitutional Foundation (http://theccf.ca/). These are very very good people, and well respected (not fringe loonies). Free speech, property rights, anti-nanny state.

Even before I was involved in firearms politics, I supported them. They supported Bruce Montague, by the way.

When it's time to fight the government on the upcoming confiscations, these will be good people to have on our side.

kennymo
10-26-2015, 09:14 AM
One organization that is fighting for real freedom, that I have supported over the years, is the Canadian Constitutional Foundation (http://theccf.ca/). These are very very good people, and well respected (not fringe loonies). Free speech, property rights, anti-nanny state.

Even before I was involved in firearms politics, I supported them. They supported Bruce Montague, by the way.

When it's time to fight the government on the upcoming confiscations, these will be good people to have on our side.

Just signed up for their newsletter....from a brief look around, I will definitely consider adding my support.

Zinilin
10-26-2015, 10:10 AM
Both ways get the cash on board but 26 memberships inflates the numbers and makes the organization look more successful.

Creating unreal members is creating a lie that will eventually be exposed (at the appropriate time) by the media.
I hope that all memberships are being vetted to ensure that there is a real Canadian person/family/business behind them. Unique name, address, phone and credit card; no members by-proxy and no 'gift' memberships.

Lying will not help firearm owners.

The newest member of the Union of Concerned Scientists (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/10/07/friday-funny-the-newest-member-of-the-union-of-concerned-scientists/)

TJSpeller
10-26-2015, 06:00 PM
Just signed up for their newsletter....from a brief look around, I will definitely consider adding my support.

Contributions to them are "charitable", so there is some tax advantage there to reduce the cost of your donations.

CivilAdvantage
10-27-2015, 12:45 AM
As I said in a post Sunday night, I've been completely over-tasked. I'd like to respond more often but even now it's almost midnight and I have to work in the morning. Thank you all for your support and your enthusiasm. You will see YOUR public safety announcements in social media in video form, in video ads on YouTube, in text form on Twitter & Facebook. You might even see them on national television if we can get big enough fast enough. You will see a customized landing page for all who choose to follow the links in the ad's where they can read the law themselves. Those who truly want to know will have the resources to understand this issue and the disingenuous people politically using it against them.

How many people will this be? Who knows. We won't know until we try. And we will.

As soon as I catch up a little I'll be back!!!

Foxer
10-27-2015, 07:30 AM
even now it's almost midnight and I have to work in the morning.

Wait a minute... have you been... have you been SLEEPING?!?!?! INSTEAD of working on THIS?!!?! That's it - no more gruel for you till you learn your lesson! (would someone please check the chain on his leg? I think it's come loose again.) :)

I think that's a point worth raising - if we're expecting to see copious volumes of material coming out of this org day one we're probably not being realistic. It'll take time to build things up to speed, and that doesn't happen overnight.

Thanks for your work and dedication to the new org Rod, we know you're sinking ungodly amounts of effort into it with little in the way of compensation.

RealDeckard
10-27-2015, 07:48 AM
In an era when rights are passť and gun owners fall over themselves to submit to every indignity this org is refreshing. I'll join.