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Haywire1
01-03-2016, 11:02 PM
Well since apparently we never have any firearm posts here is one lol.

I am slowly gathering parts for a build by EM Precision. Aka stevesummit. The plan js to have it ready for the 2016 poker rally. The plan is

338 federal
22" heavy palma llija ss barrel
Mdt lss xl chassis
Savage 10 action (likely)
Benchmark 3 port brake.
Ergo shelf grip
Buttstock to be determined.
Harris 6-9" bipod.
Afg since I also plan on hunting with it. (Dang skinny forend)
Nightforce shv 3-10 moar reticle.

I do realize that there are better choices for some of my selections, and thats fine. I am however on a very limited budget so I am getting the best stuff I can afford that will get the job done. While I will probably shoot to 500 max on targets, I am hoping to be able to shoot more often and farther this year than I have in more years than I really want to admit.

Just for the record, a 338 federal loaded with 200gr sst's has 434.5" drop at 1000yd. Which is a tad less than a 168gr smk in 308, and has 50% more energy when it gets there.

Anyways this was more of an fyi post to let give yall a heads up to expect a lot of stupid questions lol

Drache
01-03-2016, 11:03 PM
should be a nice looking shooter when it's built!

BrotherRockeye
01-03-2016, 11:20 PM
I like the 338Fed, in fact I've been flip flopping on whether to go 7-08 or 338fed with the 99C action I have hoarded.

A simple rebarrel to either and fitting the new wood is all that needs done but wondering about COAL for the .338F in a 99C mag...

hope I didn't hijack yer thread :)

Foxer
01-03-2016, 11:24 PM
I'm really starting to open my eyes to that 338 federal. I never really thought about it but the more I look at it, the more impressed i am. It's like all the ballistics of the 308 but with a hell of a lot more hitting power. The thing still has over 1800 ft lbs at 300 yards and only just over 8 inch drop if you sight in for a zero just over 200. And that's with a 200 grain bullet! That's gonna leave an owie.

Haywire1
01-03-2016, 11:29 PM
BR ya know your always welcome! From what I can find, the COAL for 338fed is exactly the same as a 308. Its just a necked up 308 anyhow. I do know that the longest you can comfortably seat is a 210gr. Unless you go with tightgouo amd use a 300gr for subsonics.

zulu
01-03-2016, 11:31 PM
Man I can't wait to see this build! I'm hooked on this stuff as well.

JustBen
01-03-2016, 11:36 PM
Out of curiosity, why the lijia barrel?
Still going to use a barrel nut, or put a shoulder on the barrel with the Savage action?

kennymo
01-03-2016, 11:38 PM
I'm really starting to open my eyes to that 338 federal. I never really thought about it but the more I look at it, the more impressed i am. It's like all the ballistics of the 308 but with a hell of a lot more hitting power. The thing still has over 1800 ft lbs at 300 yards and only just over 8 inch drop if you sight in for a zero just over 200. And that's with a 200 grain bullet! That's gonna leave an owie.

To the .308 what the 35 Whelen is to the 30.06? ;) I still kick myself for not living off toast for a month and buying that stainless/pepper laminate Tikka in 338 Fed a couple years back.... It would probably be absolutely fantastic for elk and such around here, where shots don't usually get past 200 yards or so.

Foxer
01-03-2016, 11:47 PM
To the .308 what the 35 Whelen is to the 30.06? ;) I still kick myself for not living off toast for a month and buying that stainless/pepper laminate Tikka in 338 Fed a couple years back.... It would probably be absolutely fantastic for elk and such around here, where shots don't usually get past 200 yards or so.

Yes arguably very much like the whelen to the 06. And it won't stop at 200, it seems like you'd be out to 350 or 375 yards and still looking at fur in your scope. It drops only 15 imches at 350 and still has over 1650 flbs of elk crushing horsepower. Put the crosshairs on the top of the hump and your still dropping nicely into the breadbox. And i'm sure there's loads that would stretch even further.

It's got me thinking :) I'm looking forward to haywire's build to see how it does.

Haywire1
01-03-2016, 11:50 PM
Out of curiosity, why the lijia barrel?
Still going to use a barrel nut, or put a shoulder on the barrel with the Savage action?

Because I got a screaming deal on it, and I couldnt afford a Bob Jury. And I want to get rid of the barrel nut and just shoulder it. I have no issues with a barrel nut, but a shouldered barrel just looks cleaner.

BrotherRockeye
01-03-2016, 11:54 PM
Thanks Hw! The .308 parent case is the reason I have to decide. Both are built of the .308 and make the conversion pretty simple.

I missed out on a Remington 760 in 338Fed back when the cartridge was new. I was shooting one in .270 at the time and would have loved that 338F.

Still a real possibility for the 99C though. I was leaning towards the 7-08 because I have one, and dies, and brass, and bullets, and...

Bet if I look hard enough I can find some left over bullets from my 338WM...

what a dilemma ;D

zulu
01-04-2016, 12:46 AM
What's the issue with the lilja barrel? ( I would lean to jury myself) however lilja is used by top competitors

Haywire1
01-04-2016, 01:02 AM
I dont think it was an issue with the barrel, but rather wondering why I chose llija over other makes. I would love a jury, and next year that may happen. But for now it will do the job just fine. Once I finally get it done we need to have an emp rifle shoot :)

JustBen
01-04-2016, 09:17 AM
What's the issue with the lilja barrel? ( I would lean to jury myself) however lilja is used by top competitors

No issues with the lilja. I lean towards galliard myself. But I found it an interesting choice for the savage action. Most guys tend to run a prefit barrel for the savage - you can save some dollars by swapping the barrel yourself. I'm still trying to figure out what barrel I'm going to run on my savage build.

Haywire1
01-04-2016, 09:28 AM
This wont be a prechambered barrel. Full on getting rid of the barrel nut build :)

JustBen
01-04-2016, 09:43 AM
This wont be a prechambered barrel. Full on getting rid of the barrel nut build :)

Yeah I figured that. I think my build will be prechambered, and also a 338, but just a bit longer ;)

I figure I could make a .330 dakota repeater or a .338 rum single shot. Only problem with the dakota is the price and availability of brass.

Lots of good bullets available in .338 - any other specs on the barrel? Twist rate? # of grooves?

Haywire1
01-04-2016, 10:39 AM
Not sure yet. Didnt bother to ask. Just jumped on the deal, picked a 338 calibre that met my requirements and got Steve to order me a reamer :)

kennymo
01-04-2016, 12:49 PM
Yeah I figured that. I think my build will be prechambered, and also a 338, but just a bit longer ;)

I figure I could make a .330 dakota repeater or a .338 rum single shot. Only problem with the dakota is the price and availability of brass.

Lots of good bullets available in .338 - any other specs on the barrel? Twist rate? # of grooves?

Can't form the brass out of something more common? Or is the parent equally as pricey and difficult to come by? I'm not all that familiar with Dakota, other than seeing the name in a few loading manuals....

JustBen
01-04-2016, 01:35 PM
Can't form the brass out of something more common? Or is the parent equally as pricey and difficult to come by? I'm not all that familiar with Dakota, other than seeing the name in a few loading manuals....

404 Jeffrey is the dakota parent case. Better option might be to build a 338-375 ruger or base something off the 28 nosler.

338s are cool.

Haywire1
01-11-2016, 10:33 PM
MY REAMER IS HERE!! Yeah I know I am stupid excited but this is my first full on custom build. Sue me :P

http://imagizer.imageshack.com/img633/6955/b0CJhc.jpg

BrotherRockeye
01-11-2016, 10:45 PM
git er dun ;D

Haywire1
02-19-2016, 12:30 AM
Well some stuff is going to be put off a bit while I save up. Chassis and nightforce mainly.

I have a savage 11fcxp3 on hold for a donor. Have the barrel, and the reamer. For now I will keep the accutrigger, Steve is going to install an mdt recoil lug right off the bat as well. Going with a heavy palma profile, , matte finish, 23" length (its what we can get out of the blank lol). Muzle brake is still being debated. 20 moa rail, and for now I will run a falcon menace 4.5-18 on it as well as a boyds. Slow, but hey its progress.

BrotherRockeye
02-19-2016, 11:22 AM
slow progress is still progress.

Haywire1
03-02-2016, 08:06 PM
Just got back from Steve's. Has has all my parts and pieces, the build has officially commenced, stay tuned!!

JustBen
03-02-2016, 08:20 PM
Excited!

stevesummit
03-03-2016, 07:35 AM
We accurized the action last night and will be starting on H/W build early next week . He has a good selection of parts for this build and it should be a pretty cool rig once it's all done !

kennymo
03-03-2016, 07:41 AM
I don't know if I'd consider a little over two months a slow build though.... I have projects in the basement that have been waiting way longer than that....:p

Haywire1
03-03-2016, 08:13 AM
Its a slow build when I originally planned to just get it done right away, and spend 2 months scrounging up parts lol.

Wendell
03-03-2016, 08:43 AM
...for the record, a 338 federal loaded with 200gr sst's has 434.5" drop at 1000yd. Which is a tad less than a 168gr smk in 308, and has 50% more energy when it gets there...

...the more I look at it, the more impressed i am. It's like all the ballistics of the 308 but with a hell of a lot more hitting power. The thing still has over 1800 ft lbs at 300 yards and only just over 8 inch drop if you sight in for a zero just over 200. And that's with a 200 grain bullet!

...the COAL for 338fed is exactly the same as a 308. Its just a necked up 308 anyhow. I do know that the longest you can comfortably seat is a 210gr. Unless you go with tightgouo amd use a 300gr for subsonics.

Where does .338 Federal fit in the RCMP's range construction safety area template (http://new.nfa.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/RCMP-ATI-Response-Range-Design-and-Construction-Guidelines-Jan-17-2014.pdf)? I'm looking in Appendix D and Appendix E (http://new.nfa.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/RCMP-ATI-Response-Range-Design-and-Construction-Guidelines-Jan-17-2014.pdf), but I don't see it listed.

http://new.nfa.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/RCMP-ATI-Response-Range-Design-and-Construction-Guidelines-Jan-17-2014.pdf

Haywire1
03-03-2016, 08:55 AM
Well I am certainly not scrolling through 161 pages of government drivel to find out. Its a 308 necked up to use a 338 bullet. Been around for years as a wildcat, federal just refined it a bit and sent it to sammi. No offense but I dont build or buy my firearms based on where the rcmp think it might fit in.

RobertMcC
03-03-2016, 09:02 AM
Why not look at a versa pod? Their mounts also act as a handstop. More QD than a Harris.

Haywire1
03-03-2016, 09:05 AM
I have actually thought about one. In the end this is going into a chassis, and I prefer the lines of a harris over a versa pod. Yup, purely esthetics lol

Haywire1
03-05-2016, 02:27 AM
Keeping in mind it is far from finished, and I cant take pictures to save my life, here is what I have been working on.


http://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/9400/enPM3l.jpg

FALover
03-05-2016, 07:42 AM
Keeping in mind it is far from finished, and I cant take pictures to save my life, here is what I have been working on.


http://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/9400/enPM3l.jpg

Toes? :tounge:

FALover
03-05-2016, 08:01 AM
All good things come to those who wait.
Patience is a virtue.
A man who masters patience, masters everything else.


Sounds like this will be just what the doctor ordered to start this spring off!:longShot

stevesummit
03-06-2016, 06:54 AM
Where does .338 Federal fit in the RCMP's range construction safety area template (http://new.nfa.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/RCMP-ATI-Response-Range-Design-and-Construction-Guidelines-Jan-17-2014.pdf)? I'm looking in Appendix D and Appendix E (http://new.nfa.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/RCMP-ATI-Response-Range-Design-and-Construction-Guidelines-Jan-17-2014.pdf), but I don't see it listed.

http://new.nfa.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/RCMP-ATI-Response-Range-Design-and-Construction-Guidelines-Jan-17-2014.pdf


It will be classed along with 308

Haywire1
03-22-2016, 04:27 PM
Well that wasnt working so I played around with a different technique. What ya think of the test piece? Not there yet, but close:)

http://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/2193/nv0j0q.jpg

FALover
03-22-2016, 05:24 PM
I like how this is heading.

Haywire1
04-23-2016, 12:42 AM
She lives!!!!!!

Picked her up from Steve earlier tonight. I still have to pretty up the stock, and mount the scope since I discovered I need low/med 30mm rings and I have highs lol. Decided to call her "Morrigan", after the irish goddess of seduction, as well as death.

http://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/9352/Sd3Aa8.jpghttp://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/4506/a2ybfY.jpghttp://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/7579/hSP6QS.jpghttp://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/866/d1kRVQ.jpg

Savage short action, accurized (trued, lugs lapped etc), MDT recoil lug, barrel nut shaved, llija ss barrel(22" heavy palma), custom muzzle brake, accustock hogged out to fit the mdt lug, harris bipod, egw 20moa rail, falcon 4.5-18x56 scope and a harris.

A huge thank you to both Stevesummit and Schecter81 for helping this happen, as well as the awesome work!!

zulu
04-23-2016, 08:14 AM
Don't go thinkin that this thread is done haywire, I want to see a range shoot!

Haywire1
04-30-2016, 06:30 PM
A range shoot? But of course!
I fully realize the rings are too high. But I had the rings and wanted to shoot today so thbbbt.

Glamour shot
http://imagizer.imageshack.com/img921/7139/yyTbIj.jpg

It really is called "The Morrigan"
http://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/1738/k3a3hc.jpg

Best group @.309" (.647 tall, minus .338 bullet :-)) all groups were between .309-.370
http://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/7533/vNyBWR.jpg

Also chronographed the ammo. American eagle 185gr spbt. Very consistant ammo.
Speeds were
2784, 2781, 2799, 2808, 2780 average of 2789fps.

Strelok claims roughly 31 MOA drop at 800meters, with it still going 1264 fps and having 656ftlbs of energy. ( more then a 125gr .357 mag at the muzzle)

JustBen
04-30-2016, 06:48 PM
Should run out to distance nicely.

Foxer
04-30-2016, 09:10 PM
Damn! What's she kick like with that brake? (i'm really beginning to appreciate the extra accuracy brakes seem to bring to the table if they're done right)

blacksmithden
04-30-2016, 09:41 PM
Damn! What's she kick like with that brake? (i'm really beginning to appreciate the extra accuracy brakes seem to bring to the table if they're done right)

I'd say it was something like a 30/30. Very nice piece of hardware.

Haywire1
08-05-2016, 10:15 PM
Its back at emp for some goodies.

Timney trigger
Vortex precision MEDIUM rings
EMP Shockwave brake (4 port slab style brake)
Aics dbm
oversized trigger guard ( just to be different)
Boyds provarmint in coyote
Custom shade of burnt bronze cerakote.

I think thats about it

Haywire1
08-13-2016, 07:51 PM
Sneak peek of the new color :-)

http://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/6896/loeO7F.jpg

Haywire1
08-14-2016, 07:08 PM
Still waiting for the new stock (arrives Wednesday), but other then that here is the upgrades.
Timney set to just over 1lb, med height vortex precision rings, aics dbm, oversized trigger guard, emp shockwave 4 port brake, and of course the new color!

http://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/2834/VDbCyG.jpghttp://imagizer.imageshack.com/img921/4191/DhqWxk.jpghttp://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/5044/bbr4EX.jpghttp://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/8527/yqB6SL.jpg

6MT
08-14-2016, 07:57 PM
I want to see you shoot that when it's finished!

Schecter 81
08-15-2016, 08:26 AM
Yeah I figured that. I think my build will be prechambered, and also a 338, but just a bit longer ;)

I figure I could make a .330 dakota repeater or a .338 rum single shot. Only problem with the dakota is the price and availability of brass.

Lots of good bullets available in .338 - any other specs on the barrel? Twist rate? # of grooves?

The main difference between going the prechambered route and full gunsmith fit route is the final tolerance. You have to headspace the pre-fit off of a go-gauge and a barrel nut. This will never allow you the 0-1 thou tolerance that Steve and other top notch builders hold their quality standards too. Plus you also get the action trued, the threads cleaned up so the barrel and action thread interface is MUCH tighter, lugs trued. And again, no barrel nut!! In the end, it is only $400 to true and chamber on a build, it really isnt that much when you are looking at a custom rifle, and as far as I know, there arent any of the TOP barrel manufacturers offering prefits. Ie; Krieger, Bartlien, Lilja, Benchmark, Broughton, Brux, Rock Creek, etc. The only ones I am aware of are Shilen and McGowen possibly Douglas. And Shilen supply the OEM barrel on the Savage F-Class rifles. Not bad barrels, but all the top competitors are using the aforementioned brands for a reason. We have had HUGE success using the Jury Custom barrels and supporting Canadian as well.

Foxer
08-16-2016, 10:45 PM
Man - that is not only gorgeous, it's the kind of gun that says "I didn't want you to think I hit you by accident".

Haywire1
08-17-2016, 10:52 PM
Ta daaaaaaa

Anyhow bedding it tomorrow but I had to show it off lol. Weight in the pic is 15lbs even. I will take better pics in a day or two.
http://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/2466/WhypkN.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/1028/KmQowX.jpg

Strewth
08-17-2016, 11:21 PM
Wow haywire, that's a very fine rifle, well done! Not even bedded, off a bipod, and those are some nice groups!

Haywire1
08-17-2016, 11:37 PM
Yeah I was extremely happy. floppy accustock, factory NON accutrigger, off a bipod. Cant wait to see how it does with a real stock, bedding, and a timney set to just over a lb :-)

Rory McCanuck
08-18-2016, 12:26 AM
I was going to go with the mankini one, but I don't need any infractions ;)

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=28466&d=1352832720

zulu
08-18-2016, 12:49 AM
Are you doing the bedding yourself haywire?

lone-wolf
08-18-2016, 12:52 AM
looking good, I like the stock

blacksmithden
08-18-2016, 01:16 AM
looking good, I like the stock

I love the look of those laminate stocks !!! Nice looking rig Hay....she's come a long way for sure.

Haywire1
08-18-2016, 06:22 AM
Are you doing the bedding yourself haywire?

Sort of. I am doing the work but Steve is teaching me how to.

FlyingHigh
08-18-2016, 09:09 AM
Looks very sharp. It turned out great. :)

Dmay
08-18-2016, 09:18 AM
While you're at it, get Steve to weld shut that gaping hole that you had to plug off with a magazine........



Ribbin' of course......great looking rifle!

zulu
08-18-2016, 07:27 PM
When are you and Steve doing this? I'm finally on leave and am all ears and have nothing but time ... And beers

stevesummit
08-18-2016, 10:10 PM
You missed the bedding lecture , I am getting ready to break it part after a quick smoke !

zulu
08-18-2016, 10:14 PM
Shame shame I live like two blocks away

Camo tung
08-18-2016, 10:18 PM
Sneak peek of the new color :-)

http://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/6896/loeO7F.jpg

That looks pretty nice! I didn't follow the entire build, what is that colour and who did the application?

zulu
08-18-2016, 10:23 PM
Burnt bronze and emp rifles did the build

Haywire1
08-18-2016, 11:01 PM
Dark burnt bronze. Basically 20% black, 80% burnt bronze. I wanted a tad darker then regular burnt bronze. And EMP a.k.a. Steve is a one stop shot. Cerakote, dipping etc.

stevesummit
08-19-2016, 06:40 AM
Shame shame I live like two blocks away


Well let's start discussing a build for you and I will show you how to bed!

Haywire1
08-20-2016, 12:49 AM
Glamor shots. Lol. Took a bit to get on paper but that was on me not the rifle. Once it was on it was flawless.
http://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/656/7XHjhf.jpghttp://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/2136/iPdKKu.jpghttp://imagizer.imageshack.com/img921/6567/WyhL05.jpghttp://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/180/uXfc6h.jpg

Haywire1
08-20-2016, 12:54 AM
A few more.
http://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/4073/rd1mdc.jpg

My current favorite
http://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/9720/ypRsxn.jpg

And here is a 2 shot group. After a string of five with a hot barrel.
http://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/5959/7EHgqo.jpg

Cant wait to get to the range with more then the 20 rounds I had with me lol

Schecter 81
03-21-2017, 10:19 AM
And now its for sale at Cabelas......

rottweilerboy
03-21-2017, 09:18 PM
Rilly?

Haywire1
03-21-2017, 09:43 PM
Yes.