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Drache
01-11-2016, 10:46 PM
BSA generally made their own stocks did they not? This is a sporterized milsurp stock.
https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/5994_10156400786095114_2817140828915281951_n.jpg?o h=f6b0b951f7a18b86a22f996cf4e36263&oe=570747F7

Made in england:
https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12552565_10156400785740114_2516334019365838964_n.j pg?oh=388ed794ae35f561d2ca2ee6d29cd4d0&oe=57086CCE

These markings point me towards BSA converted P17?
https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12400615_10156400785965114_4365833217858948216_n.j pg?oh=9868486fbe17804d12158a919fa5ac35&oe=57476959

But I don't remember ever seeing this on a BSA:
https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/946480_10156400785715114_7472677580699405306_n.jpg ?oh=1302daacb02f12d8a40be28ab7e87575&oe=56FCFB6A

kennymo
01-12-2016, 12:12 AM
I've seen that stacked rifles logo somewhere before....but where?!?

I'm not sure if they replaced the stocks on surplus rifles or just altered them. Parker Hale made some nice pistol grip wood for Lee Enfields...

Drache
01-12-2016, 12:15 AM
I've seen that stacked rifles logo somewhere before....but where?!?

I'm not sure if they replaced the stocks on surplus rifles or just altered them. Parker Hale made some nice pistol grip wood for Lee Enfields...

I've seen some BSA that still have the "belly bulge" of the P14/17 still. But none of those still had the finger grooves.

Most stocks though seemed like they weren't made from the original stocks though.

kennymo
01-12-2016, 12:16 AM
http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w534/kennymo81/Mobile%20Uploads/7AC98C73-1E97-4F6B-9FE1-8235BB2091D3_zpsieyebdqo.jpg (http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/kennymo81/media/Mobile%20Uploads/7AC98C73-1E97-4F6B-9FE1-8235BB2091D3_zpsieyebdqo.jpg.html)

Well there's your answer I guess....

kennymo
01-12-2016, 12:18 AM
I've seen some BSA that still have the "belly bulge" of the P14/17 still. But none of those still had the finger grooves.

Most stocks though seemed like they weren't made from the original stocks though.

Not all the P14/M1917 fore ends had the finger grooves. I think it was the Eddystone ones that didn't for some reason.....

Drache
01-12-2016, 12:18 AM
larger version

https://protein-cms-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/grafik/272/large_BSA-clean.jpg

Dmay
01-12-2016, 07:43 AM
Interesting. I just had a BSA P17 dropped off for some clean-up work.....gonna check markings tonight and compare.....and I think the stock is very similar.....can't remember if theres finger grooves....

Kenwp
01-12-2016, 09:05 PM
Did BSA put the made in England on their rifles even if it was made in the US.

kennymo
01-12-2016, 10:16 PM
Did BSA put the made in England on their rifles even if it was made in the US.

Sort of 'remade' in England. There was a fair bit of smithing done on these ones.... Not like some of the Lee Enfield sporters that just had the stock cut through and the hand guard removed...

M1917 Enfield
01-13-2016, 05:35 AM
Did BSA put the made in England on their rifles even if it was made in the US.

The Made in England stamp on converted or resale ex-mil rifles was a old UK export requirement that any commercial sale rifles exported from there had to have the place of manufacture or conversion stamped on them before export as well as a commercial re-proofing. Another often seen stamping is - English Made.

Kenwp
01-17-2016, 07:24 PM
Okay question. How do I check to see if my P17 has it's original bolt and such.

kennymo
01-17-2016, 08:21 PM
Okay question. How do I check to see if my P17 has it's original bolt and such.

Serial number and manufacturer letter on the bolt handle will be the same as the ones on the receiver. If they haven't all been ground off like mine....

The last P14 I had was an Eddystone receiver with a mismatched Winchester (W) bolt. Pretty common on the ones that were 'sporterized' by English gun companies in the 50's.

Kenwp
01-18-2016, 07:23 PM
All mine has is the E on the bolt and some kind of mark on the part the sear works off of. No numbers to be found. Mines still full wood.

kennymo
01-18-2016, 07:41 PM
E = Eddystone, is your rifle marked ERA? I thought they serial #'d the bolts to the rifles with these like the Lee Enfields.... Sold my near military configuration sporter up the road a ways back and my other one has had all the markings ground... Maybe the Americans didn't mark their bolts on the M1917's?

Kenwp
01-18-2016, 09:10 PM
Mine has the bomb with the wing on it which makes it US does it not. Yes it's a Eddystone but no numbers on the bolt that I can see.

kennymo
01-18-2016, 09:17 PM
The 'flaming bomb' mark, as it's known. All the M1917's were made for the U.S. Army. Some just trickled into Canadian and British guard duty in WWII, which is where 'P17' comes from. All the P14's except for a handful (mostly converted P13's) were U.S. made too, but the British shipped inspectors to America, who stamped them with British proofs...

kennymo
01-18-2016, 09:28 PM
Doing some reading, the bolt handle was serial #'d at the factory to match the rifle. It's not uncommon for a P14/M1917 to have a bolt without numbers, but it typically means the bolt was replaced while in service from damage or loss. According to one source at least....I'm going to keep looking....

M1917 Enfield
04-23-2016, 10:55 AM
Actually, all the M1917's in USA service never had serial numbered bolts as was common practice in the Commonwealth Military's with their service firearms.