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awndray
01-25-2016, 03:13 PM
This article written by Dean Weingarten and reprinted with permission.

I talked to Dan Compton at the Shot Show about what was going on with .22 production. Everyone is interested in the situation with the ongoing .22 ammunition bubble for the last three years. Store shelves have been empty more often than not. Dan is a Senior Product Line Specialist for Vista Outdoors, which includes CCI and Federal brands. I also talked with other people at the Vista booths and in the industry.

Over the last year, the decision was made to increase .22 rimfire production. Now it will take about a year to implement that decision. Part of that decision is based on the belief that the overall market has expanded to include more new shooters, young shooters, women and urban shooters. Dan said that the style of shooting has changed as well:
“We call it the ‘Call of Duty’ style. Lots of rounds downrange increases demand. The rounds expended per session has gone up. Where people might have shot a 50 rd box before, now they shoot a 525 round box, and they don’t stop until it is empty.”
I talked to Dan of my understanding of the bubble. There are about 50-80 million .22 owners in the U.S. If a few million decide that instead of the partially used box of 50 or a hundred rounds, they want to have a couple of bricks on hand, the demand increases beyond what production can handle for years. Dan said that was a very good way of looking at it.

Dan was a little vague about actual numbers, but sources in the industry assured me that both Federal and CCI were looking to increase production by about 20% this coming year. Obviously, no one can promise that the increased production will actually come on line in 2016, but that is the plan.

One source said that CCI needed to put up a new building for the production facility.

I also heard that CCI is currently maxed out, producing about 4 million rounds a day, and Federal is also running at top capacity at about 8 million.

One employee told me that the numbers per day vary depending on what sort of rounds were being produced. Some types of .22 rounds take longer than other types.

What kind of rounds are produced is a complicated scheduling process, with the schedule being set up about two months in advance, based on orders. .22 Stingers might be run for two 8 hour shifts, then a shift of .22 quiet rounds, for example. The machines keep running 24 hours a day, only stopping for 15 minute intervals at lunch breaks and between shifts, when maintenance is done.

CCI and Federal dominate the U.S. market, so a 20% increase in production will have an impact.

Much of the .22 bubble is political in nature. But an increase in new shooters and changes in shooting style will keep the machines producing .22 ammunition busy for a long time.
http://controversialtimes.com/news/gun-owners-rejoice-22lr-production-is-going-up-this-year/

Rory McCanuck
01-25-2016, 03:39 PM
I'd thought that they'd had an increase every year out of the last 4,5,6, and that they'd maxed out their capabilities about 4 years ago.
They couldn't produce any more until they got more machinery and people to run them.
There was concern about investing all that capital with the fear that demand would collapse after everyone was happy with their hoard and well prepped for the Obamapocalypse.
I'm talking about industry wide though, not specifically Federal/CCI

Waterloomike
01-25-2016, 03:40 PM
I wonder if we will ever .32 long rifle production ramp up. I have 7 rounds.

:frown1:

kennymo
01-25-2016, 03:59 PM
I wonder if we will ever .32 long rifle production ramp up. I have 7 rounds.

:frown1:

There's a kit for that if you've got some empty casings.....

Crank out some Federal lead round nose bulk....and don't charge me through the nose. I've been waiting long enough.....

Waterloomike
01-25-2016, 04:04 PM
There's a kit for that if you've got some empty casings.....

Crank out some Federal lead round nose bulk....and don't charge me through the nose. I've been waiting long enough.....

I have only the 7 rounds and i haven't been willing to shoot it until i get some more.

I've seen a youtube on how to make them but a kit would be killer. Do you have any more info on that?

I bought this great little Stevens favorite breakdown that's over 100 years old. couldn't possibly resist.

kennymo
01-25-2016, 04:18 PM
I have only the 7 rounds and i haven't been willing to shoot it until i get some more.

I've seen a youtube on how to make them but a kit would be killer. Do you have any more info on that?

I bought this great little Stevens favorite breakdown that's over 100 years old. couldn't possibly resist.

There's an outfit selling .22LR reloading kits with a set of picks to clean and straighten the rim, priming compound, a bullet mould and a tool for seating and crimping the bullets. The same technology should work on the .32 with the right cast bullet. Antique guys have done this for some time with a homemade compound from strike anywhere match heads, but it's apparently a bit volatile and some guys have been injured in the process of mixing it. I can't recall the outfit selling the priming compound, but if you search around some antique gun forums the basic info is there...

Some of the old rimfires have successfully been converted to centrefire and used to shoot modified pistol cartridges, but I'm not highly informed on which rifles are suitable for such a thing.....

Waterloomike
01-25-2016, 04:39 PM
There's an outfit selling .22LR reloading kits with a set of picks to clean and straighten the rim, priming compound, a bullet mould and a tool for seating and crimping the bullets. The same technology should work on the .32 with the right cast bullet. Antique guys have done this for some time with a homemade compound from strike anywhere match heads, but it's apparently a bit volatile and some guys have been injured in the process of mixing it. I can't recall the outfit selling the priming compound, but if you search around some antique gun forums the basic info is there...

Some of the old rimfires have successfully been converted to centrefire and used to shoot modified pistol cartridges, but I'm not highly informed on which rifles are suitable for such a thing.....

I'll scan for that, perhaps create a google alert.

thanks!

Gunexpert007
01-26-2016, 02:46 PM
Not very good timing for Canadians.....production of 22lr ramping up just as our dollar is flat lining ; hopefully more capacity will make the prices go down so as to off set the weak Canadian dollar.......

Swampdonkey
01-26-2016, 11:44 PM
Not very good timing for Canadians.....production of 22lr ramping up just as our dollar is flat lining ; hopefully more capacity will make the prices go down so as to off set the weak Canadian dollar.......

Good time to build a factory in Canada. Almost as cheap as Mexico.

Kane63
01-27-2016, 08:41 AM
As long as it's not in Ontario.

Prairie Dog
01-27-2016, 12:11 PM
As long as it's not in Ontario.

Alberta could use the jobs. When the rounds are randomly selected off the production line and test fired the duds could be called a 'Notley'.

Kane63
01-27-2016, 12:29 PM
Alberta could use the jobs. When the rounds are randomly selected off the production line and test fired the duds could be called a 'Notley'.

LOL. That sounds like a wynne-wynne situation.

RangeBob
01-27-2016, 12:58 PM
There's an outfit selling .22LR reloading kits with a set of picks to clean and straighten the rim, priming compound, a bullet mould and a tool for seating and crimping the bullets. The same technology should work on the .32 with the right cast bullet. Antique guys have done this for some time with a homemade compound from strike anywhere match heads, but it's apparently a bit volatile and some guys have been injured in the process of mixing it. I can't recall the outfit selling the priming compound, but if you search around some antique gun forums the basic info is there...

Some of the old rimfires have successfully been converted to centrefire and used to shoot modified pistol cartridges, but I'm not highly informed on which rifles are suitable for such a thing.....
I'll scan for that, perhaps create a google alert.

thanks!

There were threads, I thought here but I only see posts here, about .22LR reloading kits, last year.

Sharpshooter 22 Long Rifle Reloader 22LR reload
http://www.ssusa.org/articles/2015/8/18/reloading-22-long-rifle-a-new-option-for-competitors/
https://sharpshooter-22lr-reloader.myshopify.com/products/die
http://22lrreloader.com/design-details/


12-14-2015
I did miss that in my excitement to talk about reloading stuff, lol. But you're only sorta right. With the recent LR shortage in the States, someone's started marketing a kit for repacking .22 rimfire. Comes with a little pick to scrape out the rim and a priming compound that gets smeared back in. Antique guys had been making their own compound for years out of ground match heads but I understand the process has resulted in more than one set of missing fingers. It was also fairly common practise in the late 1800's into the very early 1900's when larger rimfire rounds were quite popular, and general stores were far away in some areas..

Swampdonkey
01-27-2016, 02:40 PM
Canada has everything necessary to manufacture ammunition. We have mines, energy, and high-quality machining. The only thing holding us back is the Crown.