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coastal
02-29-2016, 10:59 PM
Any Canadian forces members have opinions or info on the steyr/utdc HLVW's?

Interested in buying one with a crane on it, but not sure if they are reliable, or if you can get parts for them.

shootemup604
03-01-2016, 12:06 AM
Great piece of kit. Parts are available, but probably not same day..

RobertMcC
03-01-2016, 05:59 AM
Im sure there's gotta be a vehicle tech here on this site that could give you the skinny. I worked at DND maintenance facility for a bit but I wasn't around the HL's . Nor did I see any really in the shop.

Just think, if the military is getting rid of it, whats wrong? Normally we get rid of vehicles or items because. It costs too much to repair, Its beyond repairable or spent too much fixing it.

kswan
03-01-2016, 07:08 AM
It was one of the vehicles we had fewer problems with. Perhaps the contract with steyr is over as well as purchasing spare parts being the reason for selling them.

RobertMcC
03-01-2016, 07:11 AM
It was one of the vehicles we had fewer problems with. Perhaps the contract with steyr is over as well as purchasing spare parts being the reason for selling them.

If its the ones I'm thinking, they were not the Steyr built ones.

coastal
03-01-2016, 08:11 AM
They were built in Canada by utdc, licensed through steyr. I've found a few pdf's online saying some are getting life extensions till 2019, but they have a bigger truck replacing them.

RobertMcC
03-01-2016, 08:14 AM
They were built in Canada by utdc, licensed through steyr. I've found a few pdf's online saying some are getting life extensions till 2019, but they have a bigger truck replacing them.

Funny what replaced the MLVW is better than the HLVW.

coastal
03-01-2016, 08:15 AM
Wasn't the mlvw a turd though? Lol

RobertMcC
03-01-2016, 09:20 AM
Wasn't the mlvw a turd though? Lol

No that was the LSVW the one that failed 3 trials but still was adopted. The tactical hear you 3 miles away brakes, the catch on fire stupid heaters. It was a Western star/FIAT abortion.

The MLVW sure it was under powered, and bit noisy/and lacking in the comfort level. But in 12 years, ML was my favorite truck ( sucked when I needed to do every 2nd weekend runs from NS to Gagetown NB ). I spent more time driving it off road than on. Its where it excelled.

coastal
03-01-2016, 09:36 AM
Oh right! The western star thingy

RobertMcC
03-01-2016, 09:39 AM
Oh right! The western star thingy

Yeah one caught on fire when we were working the Hurricane. Poor people nothing but a frame and melted plastic on their lawn.

normmus
03-01-2016, 12:32 PM
I spent a lot of time in the cab of those. I remember that in extremely cold weather some of the air operated switches wouldn't work until warmed up. As for parts I remember them going through a fair number of alternators. And there are a LOT of grease nipples underneath. Overall it is a good truck in my opinion. No idea where you would get parts.

harbl_the_cat
03-01-2016, 01:26 PM
No that was the LSVW the one that failed 3 trials but still was adopted. The tactical hear you 3 miles away brakes, the catch on fire stupid heaters. It was a Western star/FIAT abortion.

:tear

The LSVW...

Memories...

Doing 10km/h on the Deerfoot during rush hour with smoke coming out from under the hood.

Me: "Master Corporal... I'm scared."
Det Commander: "Me too..."

Back in 2004, driving an LS back to CFB Edmonton from Wainright after a pre-deployment ex with 1 CMBG, we drove by a small town called Kinsella.

As we passed the "Kinsella Kountry Kafe" I looked to my det commander and said "Wait, is that what I think it is?"

He nodded.

"Damn - I sure wish we had some ammo." I said.

Half the LS's on ex didn't make it back to base. Mine did.

Looks like the Kinsella Kountry Kafe got shut down sometime between 2009 and 2013 though:

2009: https://goo.gl/maps/t8sB4L5uNdE2

2013: https://goo.gl/maps/tWVgP4dH72D2

Today: https://goo.gl/maps/pSPE4Aw4Uck

**EDIT - Looks like a couple from Ontario made the move in 2013 and rebranded the restaurant: http://weeklyreview.ca/?p=1867. I hope they stick around now that the Alberta economy is going down the crapper.

(I love Alberta hillbillies)

RobertMcC
03-01-2016, 01:49 PM
:tear

The LSVW...

Memories...

Doing 10km/h on the Deerfoot during rush hour with smoke coming out from under the hood.

Me: "Master Corporal... I'm scared."
Det Commander: "Me too..."

Back in 2004, driving an LS back to CFB Edmonton from Wainright after a pre-deployment ex with 1 CMBG, we drove by a small town called Kinsella.

As we passed the "Kinsella Kountry Kafe" I looked to my det commander and said "Wait, is that what I think it is?"

He nodded.

"Damn - I sure wish we had some ammo." I said.

Half the LS's on ex didn't make it back to base. Mine did.

Looks like the Kinsella Kountry Kafe got shut down sometime between 2009 and 2013 though:

2009: https://goo.gl/maps/t8sB4L5uNdE2

2013: https://goo.gl/maps/tWVgP4dH72D2

Today: https://goo.gl/maps/pSPE4Aw4Uck

**EDIT - Looks like a couple from Ontario made the move in 2013 and rebranded the restaurant: http://weeklyreview.ca/?p=1867. I hope they stick around now that the Alberta economy is going down the crapper.

(I love Alberta hillbillies)

Most of the LS driving I did was move it from the armory to the storing lot. Long hauls everybody wanted to drive the LS over the ML, so I took that. Only 1 time I wish I didnt drive the ML and that was on the last day we were in the Valley on work up we were moving from NS to NB. They told me to have a great night and your not driving. so I got hammered and expected to passout in the bus. NOPE... Your driving the ML someone else is more drunk than you...So I sat sleeping in the back of a ML till I was sober enough to drive. That was the worst 8 + hours of driving.

I take the KAF to PBW/MAS/SPERW and every other FOB Milk run hopped up on Rip Its over that NS to NB hungover.

sasko31
03-01-2016, 08:46 PM
Steyr was good, should have bought a few more and eased the mlvw out....
Lsvw.....wow good vehicle poorly built here in Canada. Made in Kim Campbell's home riding(correct me if I am wrong). Needed as a minimum a 6 cylinder turbo charged engine and bigger fuel tanks. Way under powered.....
Drove an Italian army version in Africa and it was a completely different truck well put together and seemed to have more power. Canadian version just was not the same.
Should have just bought hummers could have replaced both the iltis and 5\4 tons.....would have saved a ton of money in the long run....
OK back to original question hlvw good to go.

coastal
03-01-2016, 09:19 PM
Haha thanks... Hlvw seems to be mostly positive...

Lsvw... Should not be talked about. Lol

ISaidShotgun!
12-18-2016, 12:59 PM
Any Canadian forces members have opinions or info on the steyr/utdc HLVW's?

Interested in buying one with a crane on it, but not sure if they are reliable, or if you can get parts for them.

I drove them when they were new, good trucks, getting parts then was a pain but they were new. (Hell I remember the MLVW being new-ish, and taking possession of our new Iltises. Old am I)

You can also check out www.cariboo6x6.com, he is a few hours north of you. He deals in US trucks if you are interested in ex-military.

BlackSheepBrass
10-05-2017, 01:55 PM
I think the HLVW with PLS was a great truck, at least for us CHIMO's. They worked great with the MR/MFB. Only issue is; they where known for blowing hydraulic lines while launching and recovering sections. It got to the point we did spill containment at the launch site prior to actually backing the HLVW into the water.

I never saw them blow a line while setting down a defensive pack, MGB pallets or BBE.... Always in the water.... always involving MR/MFB

RobertMcC
10-05-2017, 02:20 PM
My buddy had a hate on for HLVW PLS. Only because someone forgot to torque the lug nuts or something. And around one of the round abouts in Kandahar City. The truck decided that it didn't want a set of wheels anymore. So 2 Rims/Tires off the 1 axle went rolling at high speed, smashing into a Taxi.

Gnome7500
10-05-2017, 04:33 PM
My opinions on military vehicles.

HLVW- great truck. Hardly ever had issues with them. My unit also had very few so take it for it worth

MSVW (MLVW replacement) - that thing was nice. It is a modern vehicle with bouncy seats, heater, A/C leg room. From a military point of view it breaks a lot. Lots of plastic and thin aluminum. Lots of busted side mirrors and bent exhaust pipes. Not even from rough use just brushing up against trees. Its also a little bit too tall. You cant easily just climb in and out of the back. Off roading was not its strong suit, not enough clearance. The rear mud flags constantly get broken off and the truck often gets hung up trying to go over stuff. Great high way truck

MLVW - that thing is built like a tank. They say no matter happens you can fix it with a gerber and piece of chewing gun. The issue is they are very very old. Parts are almost non existent you constantly have a good truck that's been beaten to death and fixed with bubble gum and a boot. Also the brakes like to lock up then catch on fire because of the high friction. Guys would not notice the brakes locked up cause the engine was so powerful you did not notice. Off roading it worked great, high clearance and tough as hell. It would not go over 80 on the highway unless you took a run at a downhill.

LUVW (G-Wagon) - this thing was awesome. Kinda small but when it was running it ran great. High clearance good on and off road. The bad part was that its like modern vehicles, all electronic stuff. If some electrical issue came up the whole thing just would not work. Also the interior had a plastic lining instead of the rug stuff normal vehicles have. Little plastic screws held it on so when you drove on a wash board road the plastic lining would violently vibrate and make a sh!t ton of noise. Still really like that thing

LSVW - Honestly everyone on this thread has been way too kind to the LS. This is the biggest piece of sh!t the world has ever produced. I have personally witnessed everything possible thing break on these hunks of crap. Everything on it is a horrible design make out of the lowest bidder parts. Every screw, pin and washer will rust out, break or be lost. The stupid thing will never start in the cold. By cold I mean anything below +15C and won't start in the heat either, by heat I mean +25C. Even when it starts it runs like sh!t. Most of these hunks of crap can't go 100km/hr. I got one up to 105km/hr once going down hill with the wind at my back and it was terrifying. The entire thing was vibrating the engine sounding like it was about to blow a piston through the block, good thing it does not have enough power to that. I had to bring it to that speed because I would not make it up the next hill otherwise. So many times have I hit a hill 200m long and not absurdly steep at 90 to end in barely making it over going 20.

But even with how sh!tty the LS is it never breaks down when you want to it, and when you want it to work it fails hard. Like the time the LS in front of me, the drive shaft decided "nope I am done with this." At max speed (90km/hr) the drive shaft just fell off taking a chunk of transmission with it. It goes flying into on coming traffic then sprays and dumps a bunch of transmission fluid all over the road, and ditch, to make it harder to clean up.

Don't get me stated on comfort. Its better than the ML but it still sucks. Then there is f^$ing Kim f*#king Campbell. F*$k that b!tch. She crippled the military and made soldier lives difficult for decades buying that piece of sh!t. This junk failed every test it was out through. Power, reliably, emissions, you name it. They also did the test in California, it had the best possible chance to passing and it still failed. To this day I still curse that b!tch and so did everyone I worked with in the army. They say if you listen closely even the LS cries "F#&k Kim Campbell" because now it has to die a slow painful death getting physically and emotionally beat by soldiers while it tries and fails everything it does.

buntington
03-17-2018, 01:32 PM
The HL is pretty strong and rugged. probably the better choice for the transport vehicles other than the newer ones. I drove that thing in the field and it just doesn't wanna stop. i barely did any maintenance on it, like 3 times a year for oil/ part changes. the only problem u might have is the wear and tear on the parts that break them... i don't know how easy it'll be to order parts and fix em

Billythreefeathers
04-11-2019, 06:23 PM
MSVW,, MLVW,, LSVW,,, HLVW,,

I really don't care about what you rear area fuel/ammo/food delivery guys are driveing and bitching about

just get me my stuff,,, RFN

14069

normmus
04-11-2019, 07:44 PM
MSVW,, MLVW,, LSVW,,, HLVW,,

I really don't care about what you rear area fuel/ammo/food delivery guys are driveing and bitching about

just get me my stuff,,, RFN

14069

One 45 gallon drum of gravy on the next DP

shootemup604
04-12-2019, 03:10 PM
One 45 gallon drum of gravy on the next DP

Shot out!

Lee Enfield
04-12-2019, 04:42 PM
Completely different rig however I know where a AM General 816 is for sale if that helps??

Billythreefeathers
07-12-2019, 07:29 AM
One 45 gallon drum of gravy on the next DP

and cake too,, remember the cake,,, choc let if you can find some would be nice