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harbl_the_cat
07-13-2016, 08:34 PM
I might actually become a real Albertan and pick up a truck...

I've never owned a truck and I'm not really vehicle guy (more of a useless techy Millennial).

I've only ever driven trucks when I was in the army - Milverado's and LSVW's (although I don't know if that qualifies as a truck as much as it does a deathtrap).

Does anyone have any thoughts on a 2002 Chevrolet Avelanche, 270k, mostly lady driven, highway, most maintenance down by owner. My cousin-in-law owns a shop and one of his customers bought it in to replace the water pump. If I buy it, I'll have him do a full inspection.

Tires are about 50%, all seasons.

Serpentine belt, brake pads and rotors are about 1-2 years old.

Interior is leather with some wear and tear, body has some rust above the rear passenger wheel and a few dents and scratch.

Nothing's leaking when I looked under the hood.

It drives nice, and I admit, compared to my little Toyota Camry, it feels... empowering... I had some crude remarks to share with my wife after driving it...

I guess I'm tired of all the other boys teasing me when I go drive out to the range and I'm the only one not in a pickup truck or a Jeep... although truthfully, I'll mostly use it to do occasional small loads - a few sheets of drywall or enough timbers to do small reno jobs. It also would be handy to setup 3-gun stages, being able to drive around all the props etc.

Any thoughts?

kennymo
07-13-2016, 08:36 PM
An Avalanche isn't really a truck.....:p

lone-wolf
07-13-2016, 08:37 PM
2002, 270k, is the price near free?

harbl_the_cat
07-13-2016, 08:38 PM
An Avalanche isn't really a truck.....:p

Is it more of a truck than a Toyota Camry? :)


2002, 270k, is the price near free?

They go for parts for $1000-1500 on Kijiji.

It looks like they're running for $2000 - 6000 for ones that run.

My cousin said he thinks it should go for $3k.

I might try to get it for 100oz of silver.... $2500 right now.

kennymo
07-13-2016, 08:39 PM
Is it more of a truck than a Toyota Camry? :)

Only by a hair ;D.

harbl_the_cat
07-13-2016, 08:48 PM
Only by a hair ;D.

I would pick up a Honda CRV, but I don't think I'd be able to fit drywall in it if I folded the seats down. :)

lone-wolf
07-13-2016, 08:51 PM
You want to be a redneck, and show up range hillbillies, get a truck and a muscle car rolled into one

http://i767.photobucket.com/albums/xx313/redmudpei/El%20Camino/IMG_1502.jpg

harbl_the_cat
07-13-2016, 08:54 PM
You want to be a redneck, and show up range hillbillies, get a truck and a muscle car rolled into one

http://i767.photobucket.com/albums/xx313/redmudpei/El%20Camino/IMG_1502.jpg

Nice... although I have so much furniture, gear, and building supplies between my 4 garages and the 15 houses my wife and I manage I flat out told her we need a truck (or truck like vehicle - kenny :P).

It's brutal and a total pain having to take out the carseats in our minivan to haul stuff around...

kennymo
07-13-2016, 08:57 PM
I would pick up a Honda CRV, but I don't think I'd be able to fit drywall in it if I folded the seats down. :)

I'm not sure how well the Avalanche's wonky box works for that sort of stuff either. The back of the cab folds up some how for more space? Maybe not so bad in summer, probably not a positive for winter. The first gen was reputedly bad for rusting under all the plastic panels as well, not sure if the later ones improved on that. I would honestly look for a 1/2 ton 4x4 extended cab in good shape. It'll likely run a hair cheaper and have more truck like properties.

Foxer
07-13-2016, 09:01 PM
Why the hell are you thinking of an avalanche? Are you thinking you want something "less trucky" but still trucky enough to truck stuff? You might want to go with one of the suv options.

lone-wolf
07-13-2016, 09:10 PM
Nice... although I have so much furniture, gear, and building supplies between my 4 garages and the 15 houses my wife and I manage I flat out told her we need a truck (or truck like vehicle - kenny :P).

It's brutal and a total pain having to take out the carseats in our minivan to haul stuff around...
The el camino has a bed payload rating the same as any 1/2ton

FlyingHigh
07-13-2016, 09:24 PM
As long as you don't buy a Ford, you'll be ok. LOL.

Deuce-deuce
07-13-2016, 09:29 PM
Nice... although I have so much furniture, gear, and building supplies between my 4 garages and the 15 houses my wife and I manage I flat out told her we need a truck (or truck like vehicle - kenny :P).

It's brutal and a total pain having to take out the carseats in our minivan to haul stuff around...
I don't get you. You refer to yourself as "wealthy", Claim to "manage" (does that mean own?) 15 houses and 4 garages, and post videos and pictures of your stacks of gold and silver... Yet your looking at total beaters. I mean jee whiz, harbal. Just buy yourself a reasonable truck. You're in Alberta, people think you're poor if your truck is crappy.

Deuce-deuce
07-13-2016, 09:31 PM
http://www.elmo.ch/private/Stories-from-a-great-country/what-would-jesus-drive/highrock-web-page/

FALover
07-13-2016, 09:47 PM
Phuck the truck, get a decent Ford Windstar! I have hauled 30 sheets of 3X8 drywall, numerous loads of beach stone(blue boxes are good for something), various lengths of 1X12 pine siding among other things. My Caravan is a wimp compared to the Ford.

Swampdonkey
07-13-2016, 09:47 PM
Harbl, what do you want out of it? Are you aware of how pickups are built?

Avalanche/Silverado/Sierra/Suburban/Denali/Yukon are all essentially the same.

Crown Victoria/F150/Expedition/Aviator are all the same too. Ranger/Explorer/Mustang, Navigator/Excursion/Superduty.

Could you do without a box and just pull a trailer? I bet it'd be more cost-effective. How many seats do you need? How much do you love maintainance? Acceptable mileage? Offroad capability? Are you an aggressive driver? Comfortable with poor visibility?

Swampdonkey
07-13-2016, 09:52 PM
Take it all with a grain of salt, and do your research while being honest and realistic with yourself.

Pickups can last indefinitely if you maintain them. It's up to you to balance your time and money effeciently to serve your requirements. But please don't do this spontaneously, because that gets expensive.

Swampdonkey
07-13-2016, 10:02 PM
I own a 98 F150, 4.2 v6 5sp short cab short box 8.8 rear end. I also own an 03 F150 5.4 v8 auto 9.75 rear end, 6" Skyjacker, 35s, Truetrac diff carriers with 4.56 gears.

They're the same frame with most parts interchangeable, but vastly different functionally, even without my mods to the 03.

2004 saw new emissions standards implemented which created reliability issues as manufacturers struggled to rework existing engines into compliance or hastily develop new drivetrains. Pick your drivetrain and year to get more truck for your buck. Older isn't necessarily less efficient or reliable.

lone-wolf
07-13-2016, 10:05 PM
I also own an 03 F150 5.4 v8 auto 9.75 rear end, 6" Skyjacker, 35s, Truetrac diff carriers with 4.56 gears.

You want to hear something crazy?
I have 4.88 gears in the barn for dana35 front end and a ford 8.8 rear end at a buddy's with the 4.88s already installed.
I have no idea why I got them gears, and worse, the frigging cost of them, never got to install them in the intended vehicle.

Swampdonkey
07-13-2016, 10:07 PM
As long as you don't buy a Ford, you'll be ok. LOL.

Every manufacturer, even Toyota, has their good and bad runs. I wouldn't touch an 04-08 F150, but don't confuse that generation with all of them.

Swampdonkey
07-13-2016, 10:20 PM
4.88? How small is the pinion gear? I'd dread setting backlash on that. Pretty well turns your truck into a tractor.

I figured harbl to be picking up a repo rig rocket with huge speakers and 20" mags, finding a way to profit from adverse market conditions. Surprised, I am.

lone-wolf
07-13-2016, 10:21 PM
love them old f150s

http://i767.photobucket.com/albums/xx313/redmudpei/IMG_20140419_134040_zpse31e617d.jpg


4.88? How small is the pinion gear? I'd dread setting backlash on that. Pretty well turns your truck into a tractor.
No idea. For some reason it seemed like a good idea, 4.88s, 35s, all pushed by the weakest 3.0l I've ever encountered :FP2
young and dumb

Swampdonkey
07-13-2016, 10:50 PM
Lady Driven:

Missed oil changes, plugs not done until chronic misfiring.
Owners manual replaced with makeup kit.
Smells like hairspray.
Steering wheel saturated with handcream.
Glitter smeared in odd places. Like herpes, glitter never really goes away.
Pins and ear studs crawl out and stab you at inopportune moments.
Spare tire is deflated and seized in place. Jack & tire iron may have been removed.
Passenger seat smells like pet.
Nail polish used as touchup paint.
Scars from reading Braille roadsigns.
Rad never flushed.

Lady Driven isn't always good.

Foxer
07-13-2016, 10:51 PM
Nail polish used as touchup paint.ROFLMAO :)

Rory McCanuck
07-13-2016, 10:53 PM
No idea. For some reason it seemed like a good idea, 4.88s, 35s, all pushed by the weakest 3.0l I've ever encountered :FP2
young and dumb
Hey, I put a Chev 4.3 V6 into an '86 Toyota, I'm in no position to judge someone doing something stupid to a vehicle.
Do miss my Toylet on 35's though, it was suprisingly capable.

Harbl, I couldn't imagine owning a house without having a truck, or at least a utility trailer.
More houses, more truck stuff needs doing.
If you're going to buy a truck to use as a truck, buy a truck.
Don't buy something that can sort of be adapted to kind of be something like a truck.
Are you going to use it as the family vehicle too? If so, you can buy a king-cab and drag the whole brood along.
If you're just using it to haul furniture and a helper around, a regular cab is pretty cheap.
If you get something with four wheel drive, be forewarned, you'll never be without a 4x4 ever again.
$3000 should get you a reasonably nice late '90s GM extended cab 4x4.
Kind of the Swiss Army knife of trucks, it'll do just about anything you'll ever need out of a truck.

Camo tung
07-14-2016, 06:01 AM
As long as you don't buy a Ford, you'll be ok. LOL.

You there, in the back...hush!

Camo tung
07-14-2016, 06:06 AM
I'm with the "get a real truck" vote here. Once you get one, even with the shorter 5.5' bed you'll be amazed how many other things you can do with it.
Let those properties manage themselves for a weekend and take Mrs Harbl and the harblettes camping.

awndray
07-14-2016, 06:29 AM
mostly lady driven

Do people really see this as a positive thing?

t_glover
07-14-2016, 06:38 AM
Older vehicles can be expensive to keep running. It seems that once you start
spending money on them it's just one thing after another.
I think a person is better to spend more up front and get something newer.



Terry

awndray
07-14-2016, 07:02 AM
Older vehicles can be cheap to keep running. It seems that once you find
a good deal on a reliable vehicle it's just like any other vehicle.
I think a person is better to spend less on a good, well maintained used vehicle.

SIR VEYOR
07-14-2016, 07:16 AM
UNIMOG - screams affluence, looking down your nose at people, and reliable despite the efforts its owners to do it in

Suburban - haul 4x8 sheets, has Cadillac badge option

If your cousin owns a shop, give him a budget and some time. Hell, if they go to the auction lots they should be able to find some stuff easy. Even in a good market, I saw Mercedes SUVs and lots of other things (many still under warranty) going for absolute dirt relatively. I'd already set my budget, but I was even considering them as a flip would'a been easy.

kennymo
07-14-2016, 07:27 AM
God, I can't wait for the pictures of Harbl bombing around Calgary in a Unimog, wearing his brand new cowboy hat....

Foxer
07-14-2016, 07:34 AM
God, I can't wait for the pictures of Harbl bombing around Calgary in a Unimog, wearing his brand new cowboy hat....

...backwards :)

Calibre
07-14-2016, 08:11 AM
Older vehicles can be expensive to keep running. It seems that once you start
spending money on them it's just one thing after another.
I think a person is better to spend more up front and get something newer.



Terry

A vehicle from 2002 is now considered "older?!"

Foxer
07-14-2016, 08:12 AM
A vehicle from 2002 is now considered "older?!"

14 years bud. A couple more and the vehicle would be old enough to get a driver's license... :)

coastal
07-14-2016, 09:16 AM
love them old f150s

http://i767.photobucket.com/albums/xx313/redmudpei/IMG_20140419_134040_zpse31e617d.jpg


No idea. For some reason it seemed like a good idea, 4.88s, 35s, all pushed by the weakest 3.0l I've ever encountered :FP2
young and dumb

Nothing wrong with 4.88's, my 450 has factory 4.88's, most Toyota guys run 5.29's once you get into a 35 or 37 or bigger. They're really quite common.

As for a truck get an old 7.3 powerstroke or a 12v Cummins and be a real alberta that can actually haul some crap.

harbl_the_cat
07-14-2016, 09:38 AM
something "less trucky" but still trucky enough to truck stuff?

Foxer, you have such a way with words.

And yes, that's exactly what I'm looking for.

Foxer
07-14-2016, 09:50 AM
Foxer, you have such a way with words.

And yes, that's exactly what I'm looking for.

I would seriously reconsider the possibility of a trailer. The right one tends to give you all the benefits of a truck, they don't cost much, lots of 'less trucky' vehicles can tow a good sized one pretty easy, and if you want a different vehicle in the future you still have the trailer. If you're not hauling stuff every day it kind of makes more sense. A good trailer can be amazingly useful, and has other advantages.

harbl_the_cat
07-14-2016, 09:53 AM
I don't get you. You refer to yourself as "wealthy", Claim to "manage" (does that mean own?) 15 houses and 4 garages, and post videos and pictures of your stacks of gold and silver... Yet your looking at total beaters. I mean jee whiz, harbal. Just buy yourself a reasonable truck. You're in Alberta, people think you're poor if your truck is crappy.

I don't flaunt my economic status and aspirations because I'm proud of it, but because it's the truth and I hope to inspire others to think it's possible for them to attain the same position for themselves.

I think there's nothing more conceited than a rich guy who pretends he's poor (my Dad does that all the time and it bugs the hell out of me). At the same time I think socialism breeds in environments where the wealthy feel ashamed of or are fear being shunned for their success.

That said, I didn't get to where or will get much further by making foolish decisions.

The way I see it, and have always seen it, vehicles are tremendous liabilities with insurance, maintenance, and depreciation. This is the big difference between vehicles and guns - a 20 - 30 year old vehicle is practically worthless. A 20 - 30 year old gun, with far less maintenance than what a vehicle requires, retains it's value.

Granted, in this case, since the primary purpose of this vehicle is for my rental operation, I'll write most of that off, but from a practical perspective, I'll maybe use the vehicle 1-2 times a week doing small jobs. Any job that is bigger than what my minivan can enable me to do, I hire someone else to do for me.

In essence, I want to get rid of the inconvenience both to my wife and I, of having to take our all our family stuff (strollers, kid supplies, car seats) from my van whenever my wife needs me to do a small task at our properties.

harbl_the_cat
07-14-2016, 09:54 AM
I would seriously reconsider the possibility of a trailer. The right one tends to give you all the benefits of a truck, they don't cost much, lots of 'less trucky' vehicles can tow a good sized one pretty easy, and if you want a different vehicle in the future you still have the trailer. If you're not hauling stuff every day it kind of makes more sense. A good trailer can be amazingly useful, and has other advantages.

Admittedly, one other requirement is there's a gently slopping service road on my range that I can't make it up with my Camry in the winter. That's another hard requirement for any vehicle I get.

Candychikita
07-14-2016, 09:57 AM
I'm surprised you haven't already snagged one from an repo auction. I've had success with older GMs/Chevy Silverados. My dad is back in one and they can haul a lot of crap - gas is costly, but hey. It's a truck.

You could go with an SUV with a trailer, but you'd have to do research on their guts. A lot of SUVs don't have the right kind of towing power to transport goods - sadly my Subaru is one of those gutless wonders :( They are good affordable people movers and have a little bit more flexibility than a Camry or a van (like for driving in a field or on the beach) It really doesn't sound like you need that sort of ability, or any off road capabilities at all.

Being a "lady"...I would not consider "lady driven" to be a good thing. Either they get hosed each time they go for service, or they never go for service until they can no longer drive the thing. I've discovered it's very rare for a woman to talk about following a maintenance schedule and preventative maintenance...the girls have I talked to had their eyes glaze over with disinterest.

harbl_the_cat
07-14-2016, 10:38 AM
Harbl, what do you want out of it?

Primarily small jobs that I could do with the back of my minivan, but also get me to my range out in Kananaskis in the winter.


Are you aware of how pickups are built?

Nope


Avalanche/Silverado/Sierra/Suburban/Denali/Yukon are all essentially the same.

Crown Victoria/F150/Expedition/Aviator are all the same too. Ranger/Explorer/Mustang, Navigator/Excursion/Superduty.

Could you do without a box and just pull a trailer? I bet it'd be more cost-effective. How many seats do you need? How much do you love maintainance? Acceptable mileage? Offroad capability? Are you an aggressive driver? Comfortable with poor visibility?

I would like the option to be able to drive my family around or a crew of teenage minions.

Maintenance - well I'd rather outsource, especially since I plan to primarily use the truck for my rental operation and write off maintenance costs.

Mileage - it's not going to be my primary vehicle.

Offroad - not so much, just able to get to the range out in the winter on a gravel service road is about as extreme as it will go.

Aggressive driver - not really.

Visibility - meh.

harbl_the_cat
07-14-2016, 10:42 AM
I'm surprised you haven't already snagged one from an repo auction. I've had success with older GMs/Chevy Silverados. My dad is back in one and they can haul a lot of crap - gas is costly, but hey. It's a truck.

You could go with an SUV with a trailer, but you'd have to do research on their guts. A lot of SUVs don't have the right kind of towing power to transport goods - sadly my Subaru is one of those gutless wonders :( They are good affordable people movers and have a little bit more flexibility than a Camry or a van (like for driving in a field or on the beach) It really doesn't sound like you need that sort of ability, or any off road capabilities at all.

Being a "lady"...I would not consider "lady driven" to be a good thing. Either they get hosed each time they go for service, or they never go for service until they can no longer drive the thing. I've discovered it's very rare for a woman to talk about following a maintenance schedule and preventative maintenance...the girls have I talked to had their eyes glaze over with disinterest.

Lady driven, husband maintained, I should say.

My cousin-in-law said he didn't see any glaring problems with it and from a quick glance, it looked ok.

I think the important thing is being a family vehicle, it wasn't used to haul much cargo.

Also, as to a trailer, I am a bit pressed for parking space. I'd like the flexibility to just hop into the vehicle and drive it (or have my wife do so), as opposed to having going to one of our properties to hookup a trailer.

Rory McCanuck
07-14-2016, 11:40 AM
Admittedly, one other requirement is there's a gently slopping service road on my range that I can't make it up with my Camry in the winter. That's another hard requirement for any vehicle I get.


...
If you get something with four wheel drive, be forewarned, you'll never be without a 4x4 ever again.
$3000 should get you a reasonably nice late '90s GM extended cab 4x4.


http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/calgary/1994-gmc-sierra-1500-pickup-truck/1181926685?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
$2000

firemachine69
07-14-2016, 11:44 AM
I'd be very careful writing it off for your rental. At that point, commercial insurance will be expected (at least, that's how it is in Ontario.)

There's no amount of use for the $800 a month it would cost in insurance for commercial coverage.

Again, this is Ontario. YMMV.

Swampdonkey
07-14-2016, 11:47 AM
I suggest a Nissan Frontier with four doors as the best bang for your buck. Less maintainance and better mileage than domestics. Small payload likely wouldn't affect you.

GonZo
07-14-2016, 02:37 PM
I wouldn't think the bed of that truck like thing wouldn't be big enough to haul much around either. If you need it just for hauling purposes and don't plan for it to be a daily driver I would suggest a white F-150, there are only a million of those around for sale as the fleets get smaller and smaller.

DanN
07-14-2016, 03:38 PM
I had an '03 Avalanche.

<FLAME = "ON">

It wasn't a bad truck. 5.3L, Z71. In the 6 years I owned it I put 2 rear shocks in it, 1 set of brakes, 1 fuel pump (the one time it left me stranded) and normal regular maintenance. It didn't get great fuel mileage, but it wasn't bad either - on par with most trucks in its class. It was pretty mushy to drive on gravel roads, but comfortable on the highway. I did like that I could put stuff in the back under the cover, and it would stay dry. the fold-down rear seat and removable rear window were nice features, too. The side compartments were handy, too.

Too bad it was 3/4" too narrow to put my Yamaha Grizzly in the box.

X got it in the divorce.

FlyingHigh
07-14-2016, 04:22 PM
When it comes to older used trucks for basic home owner work, it's pretty hard to beat a 2003 - 2006 GM or Chev half ton pickup with the 5.3L for price, quality, reliability and comfort in my opinion.

kennymo
07-14-2016, 05:13 PM
When it comes to older used trucks for basic home owner work, it's pretty hard to beat a 2003 - 2006 GM or Chev half ton pickup with the 5.3L for price, quality, reliability and comfort in my opinion.

Why pick 2003? That vintage goes all the way back to '99. I really like my '06 regular cab with the 8 ft box and V6. Gets really good mileage for a full size truck, and with 136 litres in the tank you can go on a helluva non stop trip. My only wish is that it had 4x4, though it'd probably kill my mileage a little. With some weight in the bed it's kinda surprising what it'll travel through with a little momentum. Damn thing's done more off-roading than any one of these citified, leather seat jobs I see around town....;D

ESnel
07-14-2016, 05:22 PM
[QUOTE=Candychikita;388271
You could go with an SUV with a trailer, but you'd have to do research on their guts. A lot of SUVs don't have the right kind of towing power to transport goods[/QUOTE]

More important then engine power to haul is braking power to stop all that extra weight especially where it's hilly.

FlyingHigh
07-14-2016, 05:53 PM
Why pick 2003? That vintage goes all the way back to '99. I really like my '06 regular cab with the 8 ft box and V6. Gets really good mileage for a full size truck, and with 136 litres in the tank you can go on a helluva non stop trip. My only wish is that it had 4x4, though it'd probably kill my mileage a little. With some weight in the bed it's kinda surprising what it'll travel through with a little momentum. Damn thing's done more off-roading than any one of these citified, leather seat jobs I see around town....;D

Because in 2003 the body style changed on the Silverado and I like it better. So there. lol

Swampdonkey
07-14-2016, 06:32 PM
Upside to a trailer is that it's a portable shed, that you can park on the street. You can use it as a billboard to advertise your business, political, or religious interests.

If I'd a million dollars I'd build a portable gun room, because guns in there are in transport, not storage.

That sounds like a project for the NFA,:build such a trailer, report it, send it to the Supreme Court. It's what the NRA would do.

Swampdonkey
07-14-2016, 06:42 PM
I wouldn't think the bed of that truck like thing wouldn't be big enough to haul much around either. If you need it just for hauling purposes and don't plan for it to be a daily driver I would suggest a white F-150, there are only a million of those around for sale as the fleets get smaller and smaller.

I think it has as much space as a minivan. Wouldn't haul a lift of lumber in it, but good for appliances and furniture. One thing to consider is bed height. Lower is so much better for loading/offloading. Smaller tires are cheaper on tires, brakes, bearings, and wheel alignments. Lighter trucks with smaller engines get better mileage. Automatic transmissions tow better and don't burn out clutches.

Essentially, the more awesome a truck is, the more it costs to run.

Some SUVs are built on truck chassis, others on a car chassis like minivans. This was done for various reasons, not only durability, but also to classify certain passenger vehicles as light trucks, which allowed lower emissions and safety requirements.

GonZo
07-14-2016, 07:59 PM
I think it has as much space as a minivan. Wouldn't haul a lift of lumber in it, but good for appliances and furniture. One thing to consider is bed height. Lower is so much better for loading/offloading. Smaller tires are cheaper on tires, brakes, bearings, and wheel alignments. Lighter trucks with smaller engines get better mileage. Automatic transmissions tow better and don't burn out clutches.

Essentially, the more awesome a truck is, the more it costs to run.

Some SUVs are built on truck chassis, others on a car chassis like minivans. This was done for various reasons, not only durability, but also to classify certain passenger vehicles as light trucks, which allowed lower emissions and safety requirements.
For the bed with the mid section up is 50"w x 63.3" l on the floor. But as its a 2002 it has the body clading that narrows the top of the box. So pretty small. And folding of the mid section is not advisable in winter. I had 2 buddys who had these, one of them for work in house construction. Any small load would be ok, like a quick run to home depot but hauling 10ft drywall sheets in winter was not advisable.

Sent from somewhere

Swampdonkey
07-14-2016, 08:07 PM
I agree that unless you can load a lift of 4'8' plywood in the box and still close the tailgate it's not a real truck. But that's not what harbl specified, and for the needs he described I suggest a 4 door Frontier. Maybe a Tacoma.

mavrik9
07-14-2016, 08:57 PM
I think your best bet would be to take a few different makes an models for test drives, find out what you are comfortable in. Be it ford, gm/Chevy, dodge, Toyota, Nissan, or heaven forbid a Honda. I think a unimog would be fantastic option. If it will just be an ocasional need, I would seriously look at late 80s f150's and chevy/gm, they will be cheap tough and still reliable. Maintenance is cheap and the milage will be reasonable.

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Swampdonkey
07-15-2016, 12:53 PM
Do people really see this as a positive thing?

With the maintainance included package it's a good thing, because the maintainance is done to factory spec by a certified tech at correct intervals. Lady Driven implies:

Correct fluids used, not whatever was free from work.
Dakar/Baja Rally fantasies have not been played out in this vehicle.
Aftermarket parts not swapped back with OEM to pretend it was kept stock it's whole life.
No used condom in the back somewhere.
White powder in upholstery is not the kind that lands you in jail.
Speakers still have some bass left.
Everything torqued to spec, not to the owner's level of masculine envy.
Load limits were not taken as advice from a limp-wristed desk-jockey insurance adjuster.

kennymo
07-15-2016, 02:14 PM
Load limits were not taken as advice from a limp-wristed desk-jockey insurance adjuster.

Guess how many pallets of patio stones you can fit in a 1/2 ton GM with an eight foot box. The guys at the landscaping place were shocked.....

coastal
07-15-2016, 02:56 PM
Guess how many pallets of patio stones you can fit in a 1/2 ton GM with an eight foot box. The guys at the landscaping place were shocked.....

Full pallets? 0. A full pallet of concrete products weighs over 3000lbs. Unless you mean just the wood pallets lol. You can fit it sure, but it will be overloaded and illegal to drive.

Rory McCanuck
07-15-2016, 03:18 PM
And nobody would even overload a truck to the point that it's unsafe.
That would just be plain irresponsible.

Ok, the dripping sarcasm has become a dangerously deep pool, someone throw me a lifeline ;D

Coming from the guy who backed a 3-ton into a garage, jacked up the garage and then drove the whole thing down the backlane out to the Perimeter and then all the way to St. Norbert. But we had a permit so it was kinda legal.

coastal
07-15-2016, 03:21 PM
That's the thing with trucks... It doesn't matter how big they are, someone will over load it.

FlyingHigh
07-15-2016, 03:58 PM
That's the thing with trucks... It doesn't matter how big they are, someone will over load it.

That's what we're supposed to do isn't it? The load rating is obviously 80% lower than it should be, because they KNOW we'll over load them. :confused:

coastal
07-15-2016, 04:03 PM
It's all fun and games until you get pulled in by the cvse. :(

FlyingHigh
07-15-2016, 04:31 PM
It's all fun and games until you get pulled in by the cvse. :(

Just gotta take the backroads. ;D

firemachine69
07-15-2016, 09:02 PM
Guess how many pallets of patio stones you can fit in a 1/2 ton GM with an eight foot box. The guys at the landscaping place were shocked.....



Well obviously. We're talking about a GM, not a Toyota or Ford... :pot:;D

Swampdonkey
07-15-2016, 10:21 PM
IME the pickups which best endure a flogging are made by Dodge.

I'm surprised there aren't more Mopar fans here.

firemachine69
07-16-2016, 06:56 AM
IME the pickups which best endure a flogging are made by Dodge.

I'm surprised there aren't more Mopar fans here.



Maybe the cummins... But the rest of the bodies are legendary for poor longevity. :p

ESnel
07-16-2016, 08:04 AM
That's what we're supposed to do isn't it? The load rating is obviously 80% lower than it should be, because they KNOW we'll over load them. :confused:

Limits are theoretical until tested...to truly find the limit one has to exceed it

FlyingHigh
07-16-2016, 08:59 AM
IME the pickups which best endure a flogging are made by Dodge.

I'm surprised there aren't more Mopar fans here.

The Dodge pickups we've used at work, 1500's, 3500's and 5500's, have spent more time in the shop than any other brand in the fleet.

Ram's 1/2 ton pickups don't compare to GM's towing and payload capacities at all.

2016 Ram 1500, crew cab, Hemi V8, 4x4:

- Tow capacity: 9,830lbs
- Payload: 1,460lbs

2016 GMC Sierra, crew cab, 6.2L V8 (closest power comparison to Hemi), 4x4:

- Tow Capacity: 11,800
- Payload: 1,740lbs

The Ram EcoDiesel compared the more commonly purchased GM 5.3L V8:

Ram, crew cab, 4x4:

Towing Capacity: 8,340lbs
Payload: 1,260lbs

GM, crew cab, 4x4:

Towing Capacity: 10,900lbs
Payload: 1, 820lbs


https://www.ramtruck.ca/en/2016/1500/spec

http://www.gmccanada.ca/sierra-1500-pickup-truck/features-specs/trims.html

Swampdonkey
07-16-2016, 02:33 PM
Limits are theoretical until tested...to truly find the limit one has to exceed it

What's your YouTube channel?

Candychikita
07-16-2016, 02:56 PM
More important then engine power to haul is braking power to stop all that extra weight especially where it's hilly.

You're charming :) He lives in Alberta - he doesn't understand what hilly means :) Or rain :)

ESnel
07-16-2016, 03:50 PM
What's your YouTube channel?

Not sure I'm obliged to document and provide evidence for my conviction :pirate2

ESnel
07-16-2016, 03:51 PM
You're charming :) He lives in Alberta - he doesn't understand what hilly means :) Or rain :)

Living in the hills I forget there are flat landers :FP1

JustBen
07-16-2016, 05:06 PM
first a cowboy hat... Now a truck...

Are you having a mid life crisis?

I'm getting close to having mine. All I know is that it's going to be expensive.

Swampdonkey
07-16-2016, 05:40 PM
Not sure I'm obliged to document and provide evidence for my conviction :pirate2

Like in the Moose Rider thread?

Justice
07-20-2016, 10:42 AM
270k is a lotta friggin' mileage.
Only real downside to a PU is the gas tank. Not that it empties quickly but the size of the SOB. Depending on the model, your Avalanche has a 117.3 l or 141.9 l. Cost all your kidney sale money to fill the thing.
"...Avalanche isn't really a truck..." Think hybrid PU/SUV. Bed's too short though. Only 5.2 feet. Doesn't come with a proper standard transmission either. Girly automatics only.