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greywolf67nt
07-21-2016, 08:35 PM
I just helped a friend move a gun cabinet as he is executor of a will and in there was a Model 64 in 25-35.
At some point water got in the cabinet so the butt plate is corroded and there is some water damage to the end of the stock. Action needs a good cleaning. I didn't have my a bore light with me so couldn't check that properly but what light I had it looks good.
I really like this gun BUT my Googling says that one in that calibre (most are in 30-30) even in 50% condition run over $2000.
Probably I could low ball the guy but I'm not a jerk so want to make him a decent offer on it.
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mavrik9
07-21-2016, 09:00 PM
Poor 400, fair 600, good 1000, vg. 1800, exc. 2400. But it's last year's prices right out of the book.

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Rory McCanuck
07-21-2016, 10:45 PM
Yeah, for $2000 it had better be pristine, and have papers it was hand assembled by Oliver Himself.
It's a 64, so that's a plus, and it's in 25-35, another plus.
I'd say Mavrik's numbers are about right.

Boy, I sure wouldn't mind running into one of those.
25-35 is one that has always intrigued me.
Mr Ackley said that it was the cartridge that benefited most from being improved.

greywolf67nt
07-22-2016, 07:26 AM
The bitch of a thing is he has a model 1894 in 38-55 as well in about the same shape.
How hard is it to find these sizes of ammo?

DanN
07-22-2016, 07:40 AM
A post fron Canada Ammo I saw on "another" site on 25-35:


Yes, still listed by Winchester, so any local shop should be able to get it in. We do not carry Winchester.

You can also get it in Sellier and Bellot and RWS as 6.5x52R

Wikipedia says:


6.552mmR[edit]
The 6.552mmR is a European cartridge that is a close variant of the .25-35 Winchester. It should not be considered identical to the .25-35 Winchester and is not treated as such by the Commission Internationale Permanente pour l'Epreuve des Armes Feu Portatives (CIP), which has released separate specifications for each cartridge.[citation needed] The 6.552mmR has its origins in Germany and was introduced by RWS and is chambered in many drilling and single-shot rifles. Any interchangeability between the two cartridges is solely dependent on individual chamber tolerances and should not be assumed.

DanN
07-22-2016, 07:43 AM
Cabelas seems to list 38-55 as "backorderable".

http://www.cabelas.ca/product/64683/winchester-super-x-centerfire-rifle-ammunition

kennymo
07-22-2016, 12:16 PM
38-55 isn't common, but it's not terribly hard to dig up brass for it. Loaded ammo pops up here and there from time to time. Still somewhat popular with guys doing old timey target shooting IIRC. Probably the odd cowboy action type shooting it as well. Lyman also released a mini Sharps rifle chambered for it a couple years back.

Rory McCanuck
07-22-2016, 01:30 PM
The bitch of a thing is he has a model 1894 in 38-55 as well in about the same shape.
How hard is it to find these sizes of ammo?
38-55 is easier to find than 25-35, and 25-35 is pretty dear, any that I've ever seen, because people know what it is and how hard it is to get.
Personally, I'd just get a big bucket of once fired 30-30 brass and open some up to 38-55 and neck some down to 25-35.
The bullet/neck size difference would make them easy to tell apart, so there would be no real need to worry about headstamp.
But then again, I'm cheap and pretty stubborn :D

greywolf67nt
07-22-2016, 02:21 PM
38-55 is easier to find than 25-35, and 25-35 is pretty dear, any that I've ever seen, because people know what it is and how hard it is to get.
Personally, I'd just get a big bucket of once fired 30-30 brass and open some up to 38-55 and neck some down to 25-35.
The bullet/neck size difference would make them easy to tell apart, so there would be no real need to worry about headstamp.
But then again, I'm cheap and pretty stubborn :D

That's excellent cuz I just happen to know a guy (me) with a 30-30 and a couple hundred once fired brass.
Now just to wait and find out what he is actually going to do with these rifles.
And the cheap and stubborn part must come with owning guns and reloading because I drive my wife NUTS.

Rory McCanuck
07-22-2016, 02:52 PM
And the cheap and stubborn part must come with owning guns and reloading because I drive my wife NUTS.
The Clan motto is Hold Fast.
Apparently, it has become part of Clan lore that stubborness is part of the family history.
Now, if you're renown for being stubborn, among the Scots! that's saying something!

greywolf67nt
07-22-2016, 08:36 PM
Being VERY generous this thing is 50%.
I am thinking with it and the 38-55 in about the same condition I might offer him $1000 unless you guys think that would still be too high.

Rory McCanuck
07-22-2016, 09:03 PM
For the pair?
If it's at 50%, I wouldn't pay a lot of money for it.
There was a 'decent' (70%?)one in 25-35 at a LGS for $850 a couple years ago.
I thought that was still a bit rich, but it was a consignment with no room to move.
It sat for quite a while, I'm not sure if it ever sold.
Geography may play into it a bit, too, though.

EDIT: That was a '94.
I know a 64 is supposed to be different, but it's just a pistol grip.

greywolf67nt
07-22-2016, 09:44 PM
Oh crap!
Yes for the pair of them.

Justice
07-23-2016, 10:39 AM
Pitted, missing parts(sight elevator) and corrosion drops the value considerably. Doubt it's worth any $400. What's the barrel look like? It rusted too?
Assuming that $400 figure comes out of the Blue Book, it doesn't apply anyway. The Blue Book gives average prices from all over the U.S. with no regard for local supply and demand. And those prices do not apply to Canada.
.25-35 is a necked down .30-30. Loaded ammo isn't even close to being common, but you can make it with the pricey tools. Winchester loads it when they feel like it. Runs $48US per 20. Epp's claims to carry it.
Sellier & Bellot load it. No idea if it's readily available.
Ditto for Winchester .38-55(it's a straight walled case with the same rim diameter as a .30-30. 35 thou longer.). Only loaded when they feel like it. However, other manufacturers load it. Don't think any of 'em are exporting. Not certain though. Black Hills maybe. Thought I saw some place in AB selling Black Hills ammo. Not that it really matters to greywolf.

firemachine69
07-24-2016, 06:54 AM
Could you rechamber that on the cheap?