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Riflechair
12-12-2016, 11:41 PM
I knew Kevin O'Leary wasn't pro-gun but it's nice to find an actual information source for clarification.

We don't want this guy as leader of the Conservative Party of Canada if he is a gun grabber.

He sounds a bit like an ideologue in this podcast. He has strong feelings and opinions on some subjects he knows very little about. I agree with him on some other platforms but this might be a deal killer for me. Can he be turned around?

Listen for yourself...

2016-06-13 PODCAST Kevin O'Leary discusses gun control, the shooting in Orlando, and immigration.
http://proxy.autopod.ca/…/2…/43715/ON.KevinOLeary_160613.mp3

http://www.marilyn.ca/getmedia/cad2a0fb-a9f8-45c1-b751-583d4eca06f1/640KevinOLeary

Pizzed
12-13-2016, 05:45 AM
Link doesn't work.

Gunrunner
12-13-2016, 07:55 AM
Might as well rerun Mulroney or Campbell as CPC leader.
O'Leary is cut from the same bolt of red cloth.

Riflechair
12-13-2016, 09:23 AM
Link doesn't work.

It's either pulled or too much traffic.
I've been posting it everywhere.
Try again later you need to hear it

Sadosubliminal
12-13-2016, 10:48 AM
The guy may be a successful businessman, but he comes across as a bit of a jerk. I wouldn't want him as CPC leader. Especially if he's anti-gun.

Sinbad
12-13-2016, 12:55 PM
The link wont work for me either.

What a creepy picture, cold dark beady little eyes. He definitely won't get the liberal dreamy hair vote.

I won't vote for this guy just because I don't trust him. I find him to be very arrogant. Definitely a turnoff.

I think if he got in it would be a father knows best who cares what you think attitude

Rory McCanuck
12-13-2016, 01:44 PM
It's either pulled or too much traffic.
I've been posting it everywhere.
Try again later you need to hear it
No, the link has been abbreviated.
http://proxy.autopod.ca/…/2…/43715/O...ary_160613.mp3
The ellipses basically turn it into an address that doesn't exist.

RangeBob
12-13-2016, 02:32 PM
unmangled link
http://proxy.autopod.ca/download/podcasts/chum/217/43715/ON.KevinOLeary_160613.mp3

from
http://devel.autopod.ca/chum/217/podcasts/

Pizzed
12-13-2016, 03:02 PM
"There's no NEED for anybody to have that..."

"Unless you're an accredited Law Enforcement Officer, what the hell are you doing with that rifle".

He was completely wrong in his analysis and comes across as very "knee jerk reactionary". I cannot get behind that.

Mark-II
12-13-2016, 03:08 PM
He's a Two-hat wanker.

If you feel that your uneducated opinion should be fashioned into law, you belong with the liberals or dippers.

The conservative party could do with a swamp draining in that regard as well.

Billythreefeathers
12-13-2016, 04:49 PM
I don't intent to spend my time in a fight with the CPC about my guns. I will be supporting the leadership candidate that will work for me, not against me,, sorry Kevin you'll be an early scratch if you ever throw your hat in the ring

And if he does we need to mobilize all gun owners on all forms

Forbes/Hutton
12-13-2016, 05:17 PM
I don't intent to spend my time in a fight with the CPC about my guns. I will be supporting the leadership candidate that will work for me, not against me,, sorry Kevin you'll be an early scratch if you ever throw your hat in the ring

And if he does we need to mobilize all gun owners on all forms

Agreed.

But it would be amusing to see him against PM Gump in debates... too bad.

Bob123
12-13-2016, 05:22 PM
He doesnt care about us at all. The only thing he wants is to be famous and make more money.

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RangeBob
12-13-2016, 05:42 PM
He doesnt care about is at all.

I doubt Kevin O'Leary cares about the CPC either. In the sense that I suspect that if they don't let him be the leader and prime minster hopeful, he won't run as an MP and he won't volunteer during the election. All or nothing.
He likely will badmouth justin throughout 2019 though, regardless.

Bob123
12-13-2016, 05:44 PM
I doubt Kevin O'Leary cares about the CPC either. In the sense that I suspect that if they don't let him be the leader and prime minster hopeful, he won't run as an MP and he won't volunteer during the election. All or nothing.
He likely will badmouth justin throughout 2019 though, regardless.
Just an opportunist. He won't put any real effort. And he will be a Harper and quit if he loses. Costing us more money for a bye election

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glockfan
12-13-2016, 06:14 PM
i won't even consider him . to this date, only blaney represent my global view on what i'm expecting from the cpc leader.

labradort
12-13-2016, 08:24 PM
Kevin O'Leary seems to think the currency of his name from TV will eliminate the need to do traditional building of support from within party membership. The plan seems to be: jump in last minute and hot sear his way to the top of the race. There are parallels to Trump here: being the outsider, the one who calls it like he sees it, doesn't obey handlers, etc. I don't know if Canada has the same type of potential for getting the dormant voter activated by radical ideas.

At some point I expect O'Leary will realize gun control is a wedge issue and he can keep a number of anti-Liberal voters by playing some shallow statements in favor of gun owner rights. Trump did a similar thing in keeping the Christian right on his side while there is little sign he is a believer. How many will fall for it and keep with O'Leary after some pro-firearm statements is unknown.

My take on these types (business leader going straight to leadership without experience in politics) is they believe politics is just a bigger game of business which can be managed by the same tools: make deals, do strategic moves with competition, and use marketing to put out the message. They are narcissists, too shallow for the job of political office, and too inconsistent to be forging policies and then law.

RealDeckard
12-13-2016, 10:39 PM
It's either pulled or too much traffic.
I've been posting it everywhere.
Try again later you need to hear it

Make a video. "How our 'friends' could be SO off target."

Sinbad
12-13-2016, 11:00 PM
All though I agree you could have summed it up with POS


Kevin O'Leary seems to think the currency of his name from TV will eliminate the need to do traditional building of support from within party membership. The plan seems to be: jump in last minute and hot sear his way to the top of the race. There are parallels to Trump here: being the outsider, the one who calls it like he sees it, doesn't obey handlers, etc. I don't know if Canada has the same type of potential for getting the dormant voter activated by radical ideas.

At some point I expect O'Leary will realize gun control is a wedge issue and he can keep a number of anti-Liberal voters by playing some shallow statements in favor of gun owner rights. Trump did a similar thing in keeping the Christian right on his side while there is little sign he is a believer. How many will fall for it and keep with O'Leary after some pro-firearm statements is unknown.

My take on these types (business leader going straight to leadership without experience in politics) is they believe politics is just a bigger game of business which can be managed by the same tools: make deals, do strategic moves with competition, and use marketing to put out the message. They are narcissists, too shallow for the job of political office, and too inconsistent to be forging policies and then law.

Gunrunner
12-14-2016, 01:17 AM
Make a video. "How our 'friends' could be SO off target."

What friends?
Looks to me that the PC Party of Canada is back.
If you switched heads between Brian Mulroney and Kevin O'Leary neither one would miss a step.
On the national front I think O'Leary has the best chance of beating turdo.
He's a known tv show personality, speaks and presents well and has an air of competence about him.
He'd better start taking french lessons.

Gunrunner
12-14-2016, 01:27 AM
Kevin O'Leary seems to think the currency of his name from TV will eliminate the need to do traditional building of support from within party membership. The plan seems to be: jump in last minute and hot sear his way to the top of the race. There are parallels to Trump here: being the outsider, the one who calls it like he sees it, doesn't obey handlers, etc. I don't know if Canada has the same type of potential for getting the dormant voter activated by radical ideas.

At some point I expect O'Leary will realize gun control is a wedge issue and he can keep a number of anti-Liberal voters by playing some shallow statements in favor of gun owner rights. Trump did a similar thing in keeping the Christian right on his side while there is little sign he is a believer. How many will fall for it and keep with O'Leary after some pro-firearm statements is unknown.

My take on these types (business leader going straight to leadership without experience in politics) is they believe politics is just a bigger game of business which can be managed by the same tools: make deals, do strategic moves with competition, and use marketing to put out the message. They are narcissists, too shallow for the job of political office, and too inconsistent to be forging policies and then law.

The fudds, the OFAHers (the majority of gun owners) wouldn't care if O'Leary banned every handgun and AR in the country.
The economy will be fk'd and the nation debt will have gone through the roof and Canadians will have more faith in O'Leary than any of the others to fix turdos mess.

wolver
12-14-2016, 02:28 AM
PM, no. Put him in charge of immigration and finances.

Petamocto
12-14-2016, 05:21 AM
If you listen to the whole clip, it's even worse than it seems, if that's possible. I never like to base my opinion on a headline, and it's always better to hear things in context.

Evan Solomon brings up the Florida mass shooting in a manner that lists guns as the forth topic for debate after ISIS, immigration, and attacks on gays/trans.

O'Leary's response is to make those gun comments FIRST. That's even worse than being on the subject already, because this way he's prioritizing the issue as what needs the most change.

Sinbad
12-14-2016, 05:26 AM
I agree with Wolfer and I hope like hell your wrong.the guys a complete douche. He'd be forcing his views down our throats on more than just guns. Even on his show he comes off as a complete A-Hole. I don't think he could keep his arrogance in check to save his life.
He said in a interview with Ezra he would rather be the guy behind the scene dealing with fiance, he should stick to that. He's all ready flip flopping and hasn't even entered yet.
You seem to forget the bleeding hearts are watching their PM spend like a drunken sailor and don't care. People that don't want to work don't care because they just want the free stuff. Because their not paying for it. The government has no money. Their taking it from you and me. So if not wanting to vote for this wannabe dictator makes me a fudd then sign me up.
If you wanna vote for him sleep well in knowing I'm canceling out your vote.


The fudds, the OFAHers (the majority of gun owners) wouldn't care if O'Leary banned every handgun and AR in the country.
The economy will be fk'd and the nation debt will have gone through the roof and Canadians will have more faith in O'Leary than any of the others to fix turdos mess.

Gunrunner
12-27-2016, 05:08 AM
i won't even consider him . to this date, only blaney represent my global view on what i'm expecting from the cpc leader.

Word association: Blaney = status quo
Blaney is OK for gun owners ... as PM he'll probably leave us alone and that's all most of us really want.
Blaney detractors: I hold the loss of the cfsc test challenge option in c42 against him and his recent lie about instituting the simplified classification system. That was BS.
If Blaney gets in as PM he won't touch the c68 firearms act or do anything much for us or against us ... 5 more years or relative peace.
He's the only one with a provable track record on guns among the leadership candidates ... a couple of bumps in that track but not bad.
Only trouble is I can't see Blaney beating Trudeau.

Gunrunner
12-27-2016, 08:29 AM
Blaney reminds me too much of old Bob Stanfield.
Great guy with integrity and a solid moral character but you could never get him elected as PM.

glockfan
12-27-2016, 10:23 AM
Blaney reminds me too much of old Bob Stanfield.
Great guy with integrity and a solid moral character but you could never get him elected as PM.

again, the cpc need some anchors in culbec, and you can't win an election without culbec .blaney can deliver that to the cpc.

on top of that, his stance on gun control is less restrictives for the gun owners community, which is what we need ; if trump gets the usa back to some sort of economic strenght, i can see canadians turning their jacket in 2019 since canada will be on the edge of collapse with the idiot 2.0 who throws the tax money out the window like he does right now + he keeps himself '''busy''' only with social themes which retrieve nothing in the canada bank account........it's written in the sky the turd is surfing on lies which might bites him in the next generals.

speedloader
12-27-2016, 11:52 AM
He might be able to win quebecistan
but thats what restricts him from getting rid of alot more crap to do with the firearms act
so its a catch 22 for us really but he is still the best we have I think
and the Libs are gonna drag out the weed lie to get re-elected
Blaney would need to change the closed minded CPC policy approach to weed or forget it as well

88 louie
12-27-2016, 02:32 PM
If we need someone that speaks french, we might consider Pierre Lemieux.
Check out an interview on CJ Summers facebook page. Meeting the candidates.
I can't copy it over, maybe someone else can.
He answered the questions with Yes & No with a little more specifics about each topic.
I'd give him my vote over Steven Blaney. Just because of his background & statements made.
Check it out, no political babble speak. Unless something happens, I think at this moment, he is a contender for leader of the CPC.

harbl_the_cat
12-28-2016, 10:51 PM
I think Canada is going to have too many major economic problems over the next decade that will tear at the fabric of national unity for gun control to be on any one's radar.

O'Leary realizes this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55bIa_Y9SxI

I think guns are going to be safe. I don't think Canadian national unity will be for economic reasons, and that's something O'Leary perceives much better than anyone else.

Ironically, the last big push for gun control coincided almost perfectly with the culturally motivated Quebecois Separatist referendum of 1995.

I wonder if the push for gun control in the 1990's was a actually a preemptive move by the Federal Government to have the tools necessary to crack down on a resurgence of an FLQ-style uprising in response to the growing Quebecois cultural alienation which in living memory was proven to be a flash in the pan of extreme violence.

O'Leary doesn't mention it, but it's only been through the transfer of the excessive capital from the Ontario Manufacturing and Alberta Oil Sands to Quebec through direct and indirect transfers that the cultural movement for separatism has been contained and killed off.

That said, killing off Quebec cultural separatism through forced economic dependence will most certainly create economic separatist sentiment in Alberta, since there is absolutely no way Ontario manufacturing can recover to pick up the slack. The damage done by the Ontario Liberals has been just too great. Until you see Ontario abandon it's green energy initiatives and start retooling their grid to use coal and natural gas, Ontario manufacturing will lose out to the Americans.

Heck, the most direct, reliable, and easy transport route from Southern Ontario to almost anywhere in Western Canada is through the American manufacturing states.

When those states start opening up industrial 3D printing plants, as the shale natgas in those regions will enable them to do, the nail is in the coffin for Ontario manufacturing - and in all probability, Canada as a united country.

If anything, the Enbridge Line 3 approval looks like a desperate play by Trudeau to cope with this reality. Minnesota doesn't have any active shale plays and no proven shale basins - everywhere else, Canadian (but primarily, Alberta) oil and gas is selling into markets saturated by American shale where it simply cannot compete.

http://geology.com/energy/shale-gas/shale-gas-map-lg.jpg

Doug_M
12-29-2016, 08:39 AM
The gun control legislation of the 90s wasn't a pre-emotive move. It was quite simply because the Liberal Party of Canada are ideological gun grabbers. There are some individuals in the party who are not, but the party itself very much is. Nothing has changed.


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Gunrunner
12-29-2016, 04:54 PM
I think Canada is going to have too many major economic problems over the next decade that will tear at the fabric of national unity for gun control to be on any one's radar.

O'Leary realizes this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55bIa_Y9SxI

I think guns are going to be safe. I don't think Canadian national unity will be for economic reasons, and that's something O'Leary perceives much better than anyone else.

Ironically, the last big push for gun control coincided almost perfectly with the culturally motivated Quebecois Separatist referendum of 1995.

I wonder if the push for gun control in the 1990's was a actually a preemptive move by the Federal Government to have the tools necessary to crack down on a resurgence of an FLQ-style uprising in response to the growing Quebecois cultural alienation which in living memory was proven to be a flash in the pan of extreme violence.

O'Leary doesn't mention it, but it's only been through the transfer of the excessive capital from the Ontario Manufacturing and Alberta Oil Sands to Quebec through direct and indirect transfers that the cultural movement for separatism has been contained and killed off.

That said, killing off Quebec cultural separatism through forced economic dependence will most certainly create economic separatist sentiment in Alberta, since there is absolutely no way Ontario manufacturing can recover to pick up the slack. The damage done by the Ontario Liberals has been just too great. Until you see Ontario abandon it's green energy initiatives and start retooling their grid to use coal and natural gas, Ontario manufacturing will lose out to the Americans.

Heck, the most direct, reliable, and easy transport route from Southern Ontario to almost anywhere in Western Canada is through the American manufacturing states.

When those states start opening up industrial 3D printing plants, as the shale natgas in those regions will enable them to do, the nail is in the coffin for Ontario manufacturing - and in all probability, Canada as a united country.

If anything, the Enbridge Line 3 approval looks like a desperate play by Trudeau to cope with this reality. Minnesota doesn't have any active shale plays and no proven shale basins - everywhere else, Canadian (but primarily, Alberta) oil and gas is selling into markets saturated by American shale where it simply cannot compete.

http://geology.com/energy/shale-gas/shale-gas-map-lg.jpg

If the solution to the FLQ problems and gun control is as simple as an independent Quebec I'm in favor of letting La Belle Province go on its merry way.
Then the Quebecois could get on with living their lives and we could get on with living ours.
Life's too short for the constant bickering and friction.

spider69
12-29-2016, 06:01 PM
The fudds, the OFAHers (the majority of gun owners) wouldn't care if O'Leary banned every handgun and AR in the country.


You had me right up to this. That crock has been floating on the poop pile for years. It's absolutely false and you need to think again.

Gunrunner
12-29-2016, 06:55 PM
You had me right up to this. That crock has been floating on the poop pile for years. It's absolutely false and you need to think again.

The hunters who own less than 5 non-restricted firearms for the most part don't give a hoot about handguns or ARs.
I don't need to think at all but rather have known and spoken to many so-called fudds throughout 50+ years of shooting all over north america.
A lot of cold hard facts & truths are not popular on here.
Mentioning them usually invokes personal attacks, off-color language, name calling, inclusion on ignore lists.
Why would this one be any different?

wolver
12-29-2016, 09:03 PM
I know of too many handgun shooters who would ban ARs and confiscate AK-47s. Go figure!

Gunrunner
12-29-2016, 11:27 PM
I know of too many handgun shooters who would ban ARs and confiscate AK-47s. Go figure!

And the result will be that owners of both classes of firearms will lose their guns.
That will be happening sooner than we think.

awndray
12-30-2016, 07:21 AM
The fudds, the OFAHers (the majority of gun owners) wouldn't care if O'Leary banned every handgun and AR in the country.

This again? Give it a rest with the divisive bullshit. Today's OFAH is not the OFAH you love to hate. We've had this discussion many times over in many thread. Grow up.

glockfan
12-30-2016, 09:16 AM
^^^^

.......but,it is still true 100%

awndray
12-30-2016, 09:52 AM
Where'd you pull that stat out of?

I can attest that it is not true.

Stop being part of the problem.

Gunrunner
12-30-2016, 02:15 PM
I know of too many handgun shooters who would ban ARs and confiscate AK-47s. Go figure!

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa242/Gaius_Caligula/2-%20Tongue-in-Cheek%20STOCK%20PIX/Head-in-Sand.gif (http://media.photobucket.com/user/Gaius_Caligula/media/2-%20Tongue-in-Cheek%20STOCK%20PIX/Head-in-Sand.gif.html)
SSSSSssssshhhhh ... if we ignore the truth maybe
it'll just go away

Gunrunner
12-30-2016, 02:27 PM
There is no better predictor of future behavior than past behavior.
As I said Blaney is the only one of the candidates who has demonstrated a provable track record that he will treat shooters fairly.
He won't give gun owners the major reforms many want in fact he won't change the current firearms act at all but I believe he will not persecute us and will snap the choker chain and bring the RCMP to heel.
If you are looking for someone who will repeal the firearms act and give us handgun hunting or ccw neither the CPC party or any of its candidates intend to give us these things.
Better pull you heads out of the sand right now and realize that our options are limited regardless of the bs coming out of some of the candidates mouthes.
Right now the best offer is the status quo (freeze motion - everything stays the same) offered by the gun tolerant Blaney who will also garner the most support in Quebec.