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Zeegler
02-14-2017, 08:38 AM
Tikka T3X Lite Stainless VS Weatherby Vanguard Series II Stainless.

I've done a fair amount of research, and narrowed my choices down to these two. Whichever one I get will be stainless and chambered for 270 win.

The Tikka is lighter, and from what I have read has a nicer trigger. Bolt is stainless steel. It also has a removable mag and comes with the scope mount bases & rings.

The Weatherby has a longer barrel, a forged one piece bolt, and is a couple hundred bucks cheaper, but then once you add in the bases and rings it's less of a difference.

I think the Tikka is the better rifle, but not by a huge margin. I'm wondering if it's really worth spending the difference.

Which one would you choose and why?

kennymo
02-14-2017, 09:05 AM
I love my Vanguard. Tikkas are nice, but I'm not a fan of their synthetic stocks (personal preference, no issues with quality), I'd rather have one in walnut or laminate. You're probably looking at six of one and half a dozen of the other here. Barrel length will not likely have a huge impact with the 270 and I don't find the trigger of one significantly better than the other.... I'd buy whichever one feels better in the hand, for myself the Weatherby stocks fit like a glove.

hawk-i
02-14-2017, 09:29 AM
I'd go with the tikka....from my experience it will out shoot the V2. :)

Zeegler
02-14-2017, 09:56 AM
I love my Vanguard. Tikkas are nice, but I'm not a fan of their synthetic stocks (personal preference, no issues with quality), I'd rather have one in walnut or laminate. You're probably looking at six of one and half a dozen of the other here. Barrel length will not likely have a huge impact with the 270 and I don't find the trigger of one significantly better than the other.... I'd buy whichever one feels better in the hand, for myself the Weatherby stocks fit like a glove.

That's sound advice, and I would love to check out both guns in hand, but nowhere around here stocks the Weatherby, so I would have to get it shipped from Cabela's in Barrie. I think the stock on the Weatherby looks nicer, but looks are secondary for the most part.

kennymo
02-14-2017, 12:33 PM
One other note, there are still some of the old model Tikkas about, and they're much closer and even on par with Vanguard pricing if you can find the one you want. Seems prices jumped at least $200 on the newer version. Wholesale Sports (for one) is blowing out the older ones right now....

Metal-Rider
02-14-2017, 02:33 PM
I would say Tikka. That's my personal preference.
Have never owned a Vanguard. Only shot a few owned by friends and my brother-in-law. Good quality, but the Tikka is more comfortable for me.

BrotherRockeye
02-14-2017, 02:51 PM
You may want to double check on the bases/rings being included with the Tikka. afaik that hasn't been the case for some time.

Zeegler
02-14-2017, 06:41 PM
You may want to double check on the bases/rings being included with the Tikka. afaik that hasn't been the case for some time.
You could be right, at least about the rings. I was reading a review that said it came with bases and rings, but I thought it was just the bases. Maybe it's neither, which makes the Vanguard an even better buy. I would prefer a removable magazine, but I can deal with the hinged floorplate if I have to.

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kennymo
02-14-2017, 06:55 PM
You could be right, at least about the rings. I was reading a review that said it came with bases and rings, but I thought it was just the bases. Maybe it's neither, which makes the Vanguard an even better buy. I would prefer a removable magazine, but I can deal with the hinged floorplate if I have to.

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Detachable magazines for the Vanguard are readily available aftermarket under the Howa name. Howa builds the barrelled actions for Weatherby and they get plunked into a Weatherby designed stock. The Howas come in a variety of stocks, from a walnut sporter, to Hogue and some radical Axiom designs. You can often get a Howa just a hair cheaper than a Vanguard too.... Plenty more options on the furniture, and some come with the detachable Mag standard.

hawk-i
02-14-2017, 08:24 PM
You may want to double check on the bases/rings being included with the Tikka. afaik that hasn't been the case for some time.

I bought a Tikka SS T3 hunter last summer, came with bases, rings, and Burris E1 scope for 900.00

BrotherRockeye
02-14-2017, 08:46 PM
You could be right, at least about the rings. I was reading a review that said it came with bases and rings, but I thought it was just the bases. Maybe it's neither, which makes the Vanguard an even better buy. I would prefer a removable magazine, but I can deal with the hinged floorplate if I have to.


Bases are integral to the receiver if you buy the right rings for the Tikka iirc.
Doesn't look like you get mounts unless you buy a package rifle:
http://www.wholesalesports.com/store/wsoo/en/Categories/Hunting/Firearms/Bolt-Action-Rifles/T3-Hunter/p/191140B

Looks like Cabellas is having a pretty good sale on them right now.


I bought a Tikka SS T3 hunter last summer, came with bases, rings, and Burris E1 scope for 900.00

Good for you, that's called a package rifle...like this:
http://www.wholesalesports.com/store/wsoo/en/Categories/Hunting/Firearms/Bolt-Action-Rifles/T3-Hunter-Stainless-Steel-Combo---Nickel-Scope/p/55346B
Retailers selling a rifle/scope combo are likely to do so with the scope mounted...usually means bases and rings or just rings if they receiver mount.

Justice
02-15-2017, 11:40 AM
There is no vs. Commercial hunting rifles are pretty much all the same. So you can buy entirely on how it feels, price and what comes with it.
Mind you, Weatherby has been marketing stuff they don't actually make(Vanguards are exactly the same rifle as the Howa M1500. Made in the same plant too.) on the name for eons. And you do pay extra for the name.
Tikka's are made by Sako. And 'lighter' isn't always a good thing. The T3 trigger is adjustable. So is the Vanguard's.
Difference in barrel length isn't enough to matter. Slightly, very slightly, less velocity with the longer barrel, but not enough to matter.

Rory McCanuck
02-15-2017, 12:54 PM
There is no vs. Commercial hunting rifles are pretty much all the same. So you can buy entirely on how it feels, price and what comes with it.
Mind you, Weatherby has been marketing stuff they don't actually make(Vanguards are exactly the same rifle as the Howa M1500. Made in the same plant too.) on the name for eons. And you do pay extra for the name.
Tikka's are made by Sako. And 'lighter' isn't always a good thing. The T3 trigger is adjustable. So is the Vanguard's.
Difference in barrel length isn't enough to matter. Slightly, very slightly, less velocity with the longer barrel, but not enough to matter.
Once again, 180 from the truth, how do you do it?

I guess I can save a bunch of money and just buy an Axis rather than the Sako I had my heart set on?
Good to know.

Bizzle
02-19-2017, 01:16 AM
I guess I can save a bunch of money and just buy an Axis rather than the Sako I had my heart set on?
Good to know.

Get a 783 over the Sako... basically the same rifle... :eek1:

BrotherRockeye
02-19-2017, 11:00 AM
Sunray lives!!! ;D

GHL1
02-22-2017, 01:10 PM
Did you check out Steyr Pro Hunter, Voere or the new Sauer 100. Not much difference in price. Steyr and Sauer are in a different class or a used Husqvarna 1900 (smoothest action ever built).

Zeegler
02-23-2017, 02:19 PM
Did you check out Steyr Pro Hunter, Voere or the new Sauer 100. Not much difference in price. Steyr and Sauer are in a different class or a used Husqvarna 1900 (smoothest action ever built).

I wouldn't even know where to buy these brands. I'm pretty much stuck with buying at Bass Pro, Erie Tracker in Port Colborne, or online at Cabela's. If there's another online seller who will ship, maybe I would consider these options, but then I wouldn't be able to check out the guns in person first.

p3t3rsn
03-26-2017, 07:53 AM
I have handled and shot a number if different Tikka's, Sako's and Weatherby's. As far as overal build quality there are in the same league but I have found the fit and finish of the Vanguard's to be a tad better.

Having a removable magazine is very handy if you are in and out of a truck throughout the day or road hunting. However, in cold weather they can be a weak link. I had a Sako A7 magazine that failed numerous times on a cold weather hunt. Having said that, others I have talked to have had zero issues, maybe I just had a bad one. Never had an internal box fail.

For a .270win, having a 22" barrel is a big advantage. You lose very little velocity and makes the rifle much handier. For me this is huge. I hunt in Northern Ontario thick bush and a 24" barrel quickly becomes a hinder however YMMV.

I haven't shot the Tikka "Lite" but I have shot the Sako Finnlight and on that model the stocks butt is hallow. When I shot the Sako you would get a ringing in the stock and the butt would smack my cheek bone a bit. Found it quite annoying, not sure if the Tikka is the same. Again, YMMV.

Both rifles will be sub MOA but Tikka's seem to have an uncanny amount of accuracy. Either way, both have far more accuracy than we need hunting.

Kennymo is spot on with the Howa option. However, if I was choosing between your options I would go with the Tikka. The 22" barrel is simply too appealing.

Just some food for thought, either rifle is an excellent choice.