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FlyingHigh
09-11-2012, 10:13 PM
So I've recently gotten it into my head that I *need* a seriously big, overpowered, dangerous game rifle. Why? Because they're gentlemanly (Roosevelt on the plains of Africa?), I'd like to hunt Africa some day, I love recoil, I have a small dink (y'all were thinkin' it, i'm admitting it), and I just plain want one.

This will be a long term project, something I'm gonna save up for. The thing is, I'm not entirely sure who the makers of such rifles are. I've gone through the sites of the big name guys (Remington, Ruger, Savage etc) and only Ruger has come up with something close.

I'd like either single shot or the old classic double rifle style. Budget would be $1000 - $2000 (since i plan to save for awhile). Minimum caliber .375H&H. Available factory ammo would be preferable as i don't reload yet.

Suggestions to encourage my dream?

Haywire1
09-11-2012, 10:16 PM
CZ, Kimber, Mauser, Rigby and Ruger, all turn out Mauser action type rifles in this cartridge.....(458 lott)

lone-wolf
09-11-2012, 10:26 PM
Not a shotgun! Double rifle. Elephant gun.

jonanddad
09-12-2012, 12:59 PM
Get a 700 nitro express ;) you wanted big :)


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Forbes/Hutton
09-12-2012, 02:34 PM
Get a 700 nitro express ;) you wanted big :)


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ged4lz_Fw2Y

Let us know how it works out for you. Seems it's intended to tenderize you for the lion.

JustBen
09-12-2012, 02:40 PM
The easiest commercial solution is a Ruger #1 Tropical in .375 H+H or .416 Rigby.

The custom solution is taking an old hammer side by side shotgun and sleeving the barrels with rifled inserts. Of course, you'll probably need to spend some dollars on strengthening the action to handle the really big calibers unless you go with a large bore black powder cartridge. And you will want to reload for the black powder cartridge.

Edit: Here's a link for a book on building double guns on shotgun actions. http://www.bundukipublishing.com/doublerifle.htm

tjhaile
09-12-2012, 02:49 PM
-Single shots aren't an appropriate choice for dangerous game. This is one case where you really want a quick second shot available.
-If you want a double rifle, your budget is too small.
-Start reloading! Components are expensive enough, let alone loaded ammo for these rifles. .375 H&H is the least expensive factory ammo, but will still cost you several dollars per shot.
-Controlled feed is preferable for bolt actions.

mlehto
09-12-2012, 03:50 PM
Ruger African.

Your price range is very limited for a double........

M.T. Chambers
09-12-2012, 05:49 PM
A CZ in .375 H&H or .458, Ruger, or a Kimber (Caprivi)

blacksmithden
09-12-2012, 09:23 PM
Take Mr Chamber's advice on the 458 win mag. It's a serious "thumper" and you can buy the cartridges without too much trouble.
Read on.....http://www.chuckhawks.com/458Win.htm

lone-wolf
09-12-2012, 09:49 PM
What about a semi-auto 50cal? Quick follow up.

Forbes/Hutton
09-12-2012, 10:03 PM
What about a semi-auto 50cal? Quick follow up.

Using anything with a muzzle brake is cheating.

lone-wolf
09-12-2012, 10:12 PM
Hacksaw it off.

Now I want a double rifle.

FlyingHigh
09-12-2012, 10:12 PM
good info, thanks guys. i kinda figured a double rifle would be out of that price range, especially after looking at Holland and Holland rifles (my lord, when i win the lottery i will have 2).

Spooksar
09-13-2012, 04:24 AM
Double rifles start at around $10000 for one that is decent. Go with a bolt in 416 or bigger. Pm me if you are interested in trying some big stuff out.

Forbes/Hutton
09-13-2012, 05:26 AM
There's nothing on land that can't be killed with a 12ga and slugs.

M.T. Chambers
09-13-2012, 04:42 PM
In an earlier post I suggested the beautiful Kimber Caprivi, after checking it out I find they cost $3K and while very nice, it well above orig. poster's limit.

FlyingHigh
09-13-2012, 06:07 PM
Double rifles start at around $10000 for one that is decent. Go with a bolt in 416 or bigger. Pm me if you are interested in trying some big stuff out.

once my work schedule settles down, i'll fire you a PM for sure. :)


There's nothing on land that can't be killed with a 12ga and slugs.

but i already have a 12ga and slugs. and they're not nearly as elegant as a dangerous game rifle.

Satain
09-14-2012, 08:32 AM
So 12g ain't no dangerous game round...
But what about my 500 S&W???
https://fj0fpq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p9p2QqCp2ZWj3ccFiuhTAypyOayMi-GFwX0SQk_lT0boM7dE99rV6DQRkWjBqSEyyNI4XfST01mVo5rQ UFdzbsKWOg95Gbz3R/IMG00580.jpg?psid=1
https://fj0fpq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p9p2QqCp2ZWhxnjr_Sa-uM0swu5t4QzYT47KGFJFiPzizuOBxPAY4u_xtOS8p8AofqTgNu J4XXhq_E5Jqc5RysmzK0APV8PTI/IMG00581.jpg?psid=1

JustBen
09-14-2012, 09:58 AM
Genuine "hand cannon"

FlyingHigh
09-14-2012, 06:27 PM
*sigh* must i really? ok fine.

12ga and slugs are fine for dangerous game. they do not however have extended range, elegance or class. .500 S&W is also an adequate dangerous game round. Your revolver has both elegance and class and will reach farther than a 12ga with slugs. However, it is a handgun, which is restricted. I have no interest in another restricted, which I can only shoot at a range. My current pistol rarely gets fired because I hate shooting at a range.

lol. hope that clears up what I'm looking for. :D

blacksmithden
09-15-2012, 12:47 AM
Can I interest you in a "gently used" cannon ? Projectiles are cheap..they're laying around everywhere. :D What...flaking camo paint ain't elegant enough for you ? ROFL !

Haywire1
09-15-2012, 08:10 AM
^^ if it will cut down a tree, it will take down game..

FlyingHigh
09-18-2012, 04:02 PM
Thanks for the offer, but I intend to build my own. :D

back40sniper
09-23-2012, 06:21 PM
12ga and slugs ok for dangerous game. Really ?, where?

icehunter121
10-08-2012, 07:55 AM
Flyin if you are ever out my way you can try out a #1 in 416 rigby....a .458 bolt rifle...or a #1 in 460 WBY...sorry I dont have any thing right now in .375 ouch and ouch...cause well...my .340 WBY hits just as hard..Johnandad should post the vid of him firing the rigby..

blacksmithden
10-08-2012, 08:18 PM
Flyin if you are ever out my way you can try out a #1 in 416 rigby....a .458 bolt rifle...or a #1 in 460 WBY...sorry I dont have any thing right now in .375 ouch and ouch...cause well...my .340 WBY hits just as hard..Johnandad should post the vid of him firing the rigby..

That was hilarious. 3 guys walking around Edmonton the next day rubbing their sore shoulders. LOL !

M0FuK1Dy
10-10-2012, 11:59 AM
45-70 guide gun?

FlyingHigh
10-10-2012, 09:42 PM
ice hunter, that sound great. i'll drop you a line if i'm ever out your way. :)

Mo, considering the guide gun.

Wmd
11-10-2012, 07:51 PM
i love my new guide gun i just added skinner sights to it

jaydog
11-10-2012, 10:50 PM
How does this float your boat?
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc309/Jaydog70/Baikal4570.jpg

Truth said, at your budget it might be your only option... but its an option that works for me!

icehunter121
11-19-2012, 07:06 PM
How does this float your boat?
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc309/Jaydog70/Baikal4570.jpg

Truth said, at your budget it might be your only option... but its an option that works for me!

What is it besides a double rifle? Make,model,calibre would be interesting also...

FlyingHigh
11-19-2012, 08:53 PM
NOW we're talking! me likey!

as icehunter said, what is it?

westislandrifle
11-20-2012, 09:34 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ged4lz_Fw2Y

Let us know how it works out for you. Seems it's intended to tenderize you for the lion.

that rifle is actualy chambered in .577 is a 700 ne round ecked down and has more punch its a custome rifle and its bad ass

Otokiak
11-20-2012, 01:19 PM
338 lapua???

Otokiak
Rankin Inlet, NU
CANADA

Satain
11-20-2012, 08:11 PM
338 lapua???

Otokiak
Rankin Inlet, NU
CANADA
https://vejbdg.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pmm2hY0ibDDR9I4WyMw54pcxs7eN9rcsvUh1aEqFPuveGqRW oXaHNfPoWA1Bv0AWcDEiCDOSvPDWvW439dKJqvrBh_Me41OKE/IMG-20121015-WA000.jpg?psid=1
:p

Otokiak
11-21-2012, 01:58 PM
JEBUS ... :D

Otokiak
Rankin Inlet, NU
CANADA

BuckingFastard
11-21-2012, 06:13 PM
Baikal makes a nice double in 45/70 picked mine up for under 900

Neil Burke
11-21-2012, 08:08 PM
FH, I know you said factory ammo, but you've got to try and make the .666 Rainbow a reality. :D

FlyingHigh
11-22-2012, 12:05 AM
FH, I know you said factory ammo, but you've got to try and make the .666 Rainbow a reality. :D


yeah, i really do. i wouldn't call it a wildcat cartridge either. it'd be a unicorn cartridge. :D

FlyingHigh
12-19-2012, 11:23 AM
Baikal makes a nice double in 45/70 picked mine up for under 900

I've been looking at that one. I know nothing about Baikal though. I take it you like yours then? At my price point it will probably be the only double rifle i can afford. It appears everything else starts at $4000.

Turkeyslayer 1300
12-19-2012, 10:55 PM
Played with a Ruger African in 9.3x62. I am definitely considering one. Not a .375 but cheaper ammo and just as versatile. Will kill anything that walks.

jaydog
12-19-2012, 11:51 PM
Baikal makes a nice double in 45/70 picked mine up for under 900

Yup, that's what I have pictured with a Vortex Viper HS 1-4x ontop. She's a handy rig and will easily take care of anything dangerous on this continent. There also is a .30-06 version.

YukonLeftie
12-21-2012, 12:54 AM
This little gem is on my wishlist; after I get everything ELSE paid off...

http://www.henryrepeating.com/rifle-45-70.cfm

Asphalt Cowboy
01-06-2013, 05:46 PM
I use 375 H&H in a Winchester Model 70 and 416 Rigby in Ruger # 1 ... they call it the Greyhounder , go through one end of a bus and out the other and still get your target :)

Satain
01-07-2013, 01:29 PM
I use 375 H&H in a Winchester Model 70 and 416 Rigby in Ruger # 1 ... they call it the Greyhounder , go through one end of a bus and out the other and still get your target :)
*Drooling over keyboard...*
Got a vid of you shooting this?

Asphalt Cowboy
01-08-2013, 03:25 AM
sorry bud I aint that hitec lol

icehunter121
01-14-2013, 01:24 PM
*Drooling over keyboard...*
Got a vid of you shooting this?

I got a vid of me shooting mine...

FlyingHigh
01-14-2013, 09:07 PM
post 'er up ice! :D

the Baikal is now on my must by list. just gotta find one in stock that i can handle to ensure a good fit.

icehunter121
01-16-2013, 10:53 PM
okie dokie...not sure if this will work or not..

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a159/icehunter121/th_Icehunter1212041620rigby_zpsaf9fd25b.jpg (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a159/icehunter121/Icehunter1212041620rigby_zpsaf9fd25b.mp4)

Satain
01-18-2013, 07:53 PM
okie dokie...not sure if this will work or not..

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a159/icehunter121/th_Icehunter1212041620rigby_zpsaf9fd25b.jpg (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a159/icehunter121/Icehunter1212041620rigby_zpsaf9fd25b.mp4)
LOL!!!
Sholder theripy involes slaping your self!
HAHAHA!!!
Thanx ;)

FlyingHigh
01-19-2013, 10:43 AM
lol right on. thanks ice. yup, definitely need one of those now :D

icehunter121
01-19-2013, 11:42 AM
LOL!!!
Sholder theripy involes slaping your self!
HAHAHA!!!
Thanx ;)

That what involves keeping a youthful look,,,smack your self a few times when shooting and it keeps the cheek bones nice and high and the muscles tight...




Cause they are swollen!!



Jon should post the other vid of him shooting it...its comical to watch..

icehunter121
01-19-2013, 12:13 PM
lol right on. thanks ice. yup, definitely need one of those now :D

I have a .460WBY on a ruger #1 I still need to get video of....off the bench of course! Its worse then what the rigby is. Here is a point to remember though,dont start shooting a rigby just right off a bench.It will hurt you. Get a few shots standing with a lighter load then tackle a bench with some heavy loads.Actually any of the hotter 40 cal rounds will bite you hard with out experience.My .458 when I bought it was only 7.5 pounds believe it or not.Its a marx x interarms with a thin barrel contour and glass stock at the time when new.3 rapid fire rounds and I completely dislocated my shoulder,had 3 discs in my back go one way and 3 vertebrae go the other way all at the same time.The pain was immense and my spine was in a complete s shape. The emerg trip to the chiro and him wondering how I even walked in was not fun...

Also notice I am wearing a PAST recoil shield. BUY ONE...Shooting off a bench with one is incredible.It cuts felt recoil way down and you can actually shoot quite a few rounds of heavy rifles with out quitting.The one I have is the heavy magnum version...for 40 bucks and saving your shoulder its the way to go.If you rewatch the video after the second shot and I am turning away,you will see a permanent indent in the shield. Rather the shield then my shoulder.Without the shield I could do about 20 rounds off the bench,then it gets pretty sore,with a shield I can do 50 rounds and all I get is my brain slogging around in my skull,telling me to call it a day. An yes, your nerves will let you know when enough is enough.

One last pointer for ya...if you feel tired,had a late night,few to many beers the night b4...dont shoot.I am not talking about deadly hang over,even just a little tired,skipped breakfast and headed to the range for a morning shoot or whatever. Get some food in your body and wait a few hours b4 shooting a heavy rifle.You really need to be at the top of your game,rock solid,muscles having strength.....otherwise they will bite ya hard.

Thats the Ice advice for the day....after 30 years of shooting heavy rifles,I have learnt a thing or 3 about them..

YukonLeftie
01-19-2013, 02:11 PM
My worst so far has been my Mauser - 30.06, 180 grain, steel buttplate and only a thin tshirt between me and the rifle. 20 rounds later - keeping in mind this was directly after a 250 round skeet shoot - was ample. The Mauser has since aquired a remington recoil pad.

FlyingHigh
01-19-2013, 09:11 PM
that's great advice Icehunter. i'll be sure to heed it. :)

blueoval56
02-08-2013, 04:28 PM
My Marlin 1895GS in 45-70 with 450 grain moving at somewhere around 1700fps is about as much recoil as I can handle for a lengthy range session. I have shot a 458WM though, and I plan on building one off of a savage action just for fun.

There's something very satisfying to me about big cigar-like cartridges in 458 :)
That Baikal SxS 45-70 is also on my to-buy list. Probably the only double I'll ever be able to afford. Maybe one day if I really save my pennies I would go for a Sabatti. They have some nice doubles for around $4000-$5000.

Freyr_255
03-03-2013, 05:56 PM
With respect to the OP, I'd say get a CZ 550 or Winchester M70 in 375 H&H. I personally used a Zastava M70 in 375 H&H as my main hunting rifle and while I love the caliber, the rifle itself has a few short comings. The biggest is that it is a standard length action that has been cut out. This results in one needing to be very conscious of doing a full bolt pull as it's easy to short stroke. It's better now that I've worked on it, but when I first got it there was a bit of binding on the forward stroke from the bolt having to come so far back. The magazine also only holds 3 rounds and they must be under SAAMI for length. Not as big of a deal if buying factory, but when hand loading it is. The action is also fairly rough when you get it. A dremel and polishing wheel does wonders to fix this.

That said I love that gun and likely will be using it for the rest of my life as I've put a fair amount of work into it and have a nice 300gr TSX loading for it that does about 3/4". In hindsight however I should have got the CZ550.

As far as caliber options given in this thread, if you want a double you're looking at a Baikal in 45-70. I've been tempted to get one myself as I want a double but can't afford a nice one. The 375 H&H is a great round for anything in north america as well since it's more or less hold and shoot out to 300m(zero @ 200m, 10" low @ 300m, 2" high @ 100m) and you never have to be picky about shot angles. You can easily hammer a bullet through any animal on a quartering shot and not have to think twice about it as the animal will be laying where you shot it. The larger bore rifles I've not really gotten into, but to me are less practical for actual hunting within North America. That said I wouldn't mind the CZ in 458 Lott.

Grain
03-04-2013, 04:29 PM
Browning also makes a bolt in 375 H&H, a buddy has one. I've not shot it myself.

westcoaster
03-31-2013, 01:07 PM
So I've recently gotten it into my head that I *need* a seriously big, overpowered, dangerous game rifle. Why? Because they're gentlemanly (Roosevelt on the plains of Africa?), I'd like to hunt Africa some day, I love recoil, I have a small dink (y'all were thinkin' it, i'm admitting it), and I just plain want one.

This will be a long term project, something I'm gonna save up for. The thing is, I'm not entirely sure who the makers of such rifles are. I've gone through the sites of the big name guys (Remington, Ruger, Savage etc) and only Ruger has come up with something close.

I'd like either single shot or the old classic double rifle style. Budget would be $1000 - $2000 (since i plan to save for awhile). Minimum caliber .375H&H. Available factory ammo would be preferable as i don't reload yet.

Suggestions to encourage my dream?

I had the same dream. Still planning a trip to Africa for Cape Buffalo one of these years. Rather than wait until the last minute I bought a 416 Rigby a few years ago and have been practicing with it.

Mine is in a CZ 550 Magnum, this is an improved 98 action upsized to fit the Lott and Rigby. A very accurate rifle and utterly dependable. Only downside is cartridge cost but I reload so it's no big deal.

I bought my CZ for a little over $1000 - ready to go.

lone-wolf
03-31-2013, 01:11 PM
I seen a cz550 in 416rigby last week, the guy who runs a local gun shop owns it.

M.T. Chambers
03-31-2013, 02:24 PM
Remember that small bores may not be legal for big game in some countries, anything smaller then .400 or maybe .375.

mavrik9
06-12-2013, 06:55 PM
"Single shots aren't an appropriate choice for dangerous game. This is one case where you really want a quick second shot available."

I love my single shot H&R 45/70 with 350 grain rounds, and I can put rounds through it just as fast as any of my bolt actions.

mavrik9
06-12-2013, 06:55 PM
Well that quote didn't work.

444shooter
08-11-2013, 06:35 PM
Hey, that 45/70 contender barrel looks familiar..

sendmorebrains
08-17-2013, 04:41 AM
OK - get your info for them super duper giant blasting cannons here.
http://nitroexpress.com/

And about theBaikal MP-221s ...Read a review about it on You Tube from a guy wearing a funny looking hat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmNynB30pSM
And yes these seem to be a decently priced monster gun...

They are selling them at ... ( email me for link ) for $ 1078.00

Satain
08-18-2013, 01:53 PM
$779.00
http://frontierfirearms.ca/baikal-mp-221-side-by-side-45-71.html

lone-wolf
08-18-2013, 05:46 PM
I seen a SxS .22lr on some site

Goshawk
04-18-2014, 12:19 PM
http://fourtyfiveseventy.comHow about a Guide gun or a GBL. Scroll down 6 titles. Goshawk

FlyingHigh
04-18-2014, 01:09 PM
I've considered them, but after shooting one they're not really my thing. I'm not a huge fan of lever action and I want an even larger caliber.

connexion123
04-18-2014, 08:41 PM
...

mavrik9
04-18-2014, 10:03 PM
There is always the 500 Nitro. But I think the rounds cost more than 50 BMG :frown1:

Rusty Shackleford
04-19-2014, 07:27 AM
I had my Browning BLR 450 lever action at the range yesterday and after 20 rounds of 325 grain my shoulder is a tad stiff today. It has one helluva kick.

Bowie
07-23-2014, 09:40 PM
Check out the Sako Kodiak in .375.

9.3
08-13-2014, 09:12 AM
I have a 9.3 x 74 R Chapuis double that I have shot a few bears with. I use 285 grn Privi bullets. It hits hard and breaks lot of bone.

kennymo
08-13-2014, 10:21 AM
The Baikal 45/70 may be the only double in your Ruger #1 price range. Keep in mind the lowly 45/70 can be loaded pretty stiff in a modern action, only a few hundred FPS short of 458 Winchester in a #1 action. Slightly lower than that in an up to date 1895 lever. I'd investigate what sort of pressure the Baikal action is supposed to take before working these up though. I've fired a few humdingers out of my uncle's H&R Buffalo Classic and it's enough to wake you up. Other than that, the new Winchester African/Alaskan Model 70's are just freakin beautiful, not sure if a bolt can live up to your definition of class or not. They seem to get picked up pretty quickly when they appear on store shelves though, save your pennies and be ready to pounce when a batch turns up.

Wendell
08-14-2014, 05:31 AM
Talk to Mr. Wolverine.

http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/getattachment/The-Wolverine-Experience/Articles/Ten-Things-to-Know-About-Big-Game-Hunting/Elephant.jpg.aspx

http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/

greenshoots
05-01-2015, 08:39 AM
get a sharps saddle rifle or a baikal

greenshoots

Gunexpert007
05-01-2015, 10:25 AM
Talk to Mr. Wolverine.

http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/getattachment/The-Wolverine-Experience/Articles/Ten-Things-to-Know-About-Big-Game-Hunting/Elephant.jpg.aspx

http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/

Is that a tusk sticking up , or is that guy just really excited to see the camera man....lol:cool1:

Random
05-01-2015, 06:18 PM
For a practical big thumper get a bolt gun in 458 Lott. Brass is reasonable, bullets are plentiful and there is a wide range of weights. I load 300 gr on the light side with mine and have hunted deer with it. Mine is a Winchester Safari that was originally a 458 win but rechambered to the Lott. If you have fired a 375 (I have one as well) the lott is a category up in recoil. I would define the 375 a having stout but manageable recoil where as the Lott I would call mildly objectionable. I would recommend the Past shooting shield as others have. Its fine without it for a few rounds off the bench but if you going to put more than that it will bruise your shoulder a bit which I find throws off your accuracy.

Hidyn
05-01-2015, 06:48 PM
No one has mentioned the hidden costs associated with owning a rifle the OP is looking for. Pith helmet, monocle, mustache wax, having to give up beer for brandy... it's more expensive than the price tag on the rifle and a few boxes of shells.

:)

FlyingHigh
05-01-2015, 09:21 PM
Lots of great info folks. Unfortunately, all gun purchases are on hold indefinitely. A big boomer will certainly be on the list once the funds come available again. :)

smokinguns_owner
06-15-2015, 09:06 AM
I have some project i started , Browning b78 .30-06 , with stainless barrel .510" bores . i was plan to build a .50-90 sharps smokeless rifle in that . the 50-90 sharps smokeless can shoot 600 grain at 2000 fps , out of a 26 inch barrel . In that action you can make little more faster 2150 fps easy with 600 grain . the project have been cancel because not enough time for this .

I have die set for .50-90 sharps
100 brass , woodleight bullet , 25 600 grain pp , 25 570 grain sP , 25 535 grain sp .
This caliber can also shoot 440 grain at 2450 fps ... and still Under 40 000 cup , so the rifle with this caliber can take 50 000 cup .
Better than 458 lotts , and equal to a 500 nitro express but with cheaper cost .

to fit the barrel and chamber it Ellwoods Epps , told me is a 250$ job and half tool price 180$ . barrel is .950"

If taht can interested you , i have special loading data custom made buy Accurate Powder technician .

smokinguns_owner
06-15-2015, 09:11 AM
brass cost 2.30$ / each , bullet 1.60$/each , so if you look at the 500 nitro express , or 450 nitro , 458 lotts . you will see the brass are most cheaper than those big caliber , and make a lots of power and recoil , at is 40 000 cup this caliber make about same performance than the 458 lotts , if we climb it to 50 000 cup , that can make very huge different between the other big safari game . 500 nitro express can not load very high pressure because of is brass to soft for high pressure , but Starline make 50-90 sharps to take high pressure . so with high pressure load he can over powered the 500 nitro express . at very cheaper cost . You can also cast some hard cast bullet to go with to reduce the ammo cost .

smokinguns_owner
06-15-2015, 09:14 AM
i can sell all the entire project , for now you can use the 30-06 , but if you send it to gunsmith at Ellwood epps they can make you a 50-90 sharps or any other big fifty ammo .

if you wanted the browning high wall b78 30-06 spr + SS .510" 26 inch barrel + 50-90 sharps die + 50-90 sharps brass + woodlweight bullets , i can sell all that for 1500$ , and with your's budget of 1000 to 2000$ that left to you enough to make the job done buy ellwoods epps gunsmith or another gunsmith . and same extra to buy you other bullet for .

What do you thing about that bro .

saskgunowner
06-16-2015, 10:31 AM
Lots of great info folks. Unfortunately, all gun purchases are on hold indefinitely. A big boomer will certainly be on the list once the funds come available again. :)

I'm not sure if it was mentioned yet, but you should be able to find a Zastava in 458 Win mag for a reasonable price, once your budget situation improves. Nice blueing, decent wood, rough action lol and light weight for what they are.

FlyingHigh
06-16-2015, 03:35 PM
I'm not sure if it was mentioned yet, but you should be able to find a Zastava in 458 Win mag for a reasonable price, once your budget situation improves. Nice blueing, decent wood, rough action lol and light weight for what they are.

I'll add it to the list and have a look when guns become a priority again. LOL. Got trade school to finish, new job to find, and a truck to sell. Then a real truck, house, boat and a bunch of fishing gear to buy before I buy another gun. :D

Kenwp
06-16-2015, 06:43 PM
I was able to buy a Ruger No 1 African for $350 am told it was a good deal. The little twit that owned it shot it 8 times and whimped out. It will cost me more for the scope to use it as the last one won't keep zero for long.

FlyingHigh
06-16-2015, 07:47 PM
$350 is a screamin' deal on those.

kennymo
06-16-2015, 09:15 PM
$350 is a screamin' deal on those.

I'm hoping it's a typo....cause if it's not I'm going to step outside, look up at the sky, and give the gun gods a piece of my mind....

smokinguns_owner
06-16-2015, 10:25 PM
anyone wanted a good 30-06 spr Browning b78 rifle , with octagonal ported barrel 1000$

Haywire1
06-17-2015, 01:10 AM
I was able to buy a Ruger No 1 African for $350 am told it was a good deal. The little twit that owned it shot it 8 times and whimped out. It will cost me more for the scope to use it as the last one won't keep zero for long.

Retail for a No1 is around $1100-1400 new, and anywhere from $900 and up used. So yeah I would say you got a screaming deal. Move over kenny, I need to have a little "come to Jesus" meeting with a gun god myself......

Petamocto
06-17-2015, 04:57 AM
I second the option of a 338 Lapua. It's not something that usually gets mentioned in these circles because it's newer and people associate big game hunting with either huge calibres or historic calibres. However, when you actually look at the energy delivered on target, the 338 Lapua out-performs a lot of the big boys.

The other benefit is that you'll be spending a lot on this rifle, but with something like 338 Lapua you actually have a dual purpose rifle and you can use it for long-range sport shooting from a bench to see how far you can shoot.

Kenwp
06-17-2015, 05:49 AM
No typo I am sorry to say or glad to say. Some guys have more money then brains. Now if only that elephant that was digging up the garden would return again. I best thing about the deal was I actually ad the ready cash to buy it. The best gun deal I have heard of is a friend sold his target rifle to a guy that figured he needed it and then bought it back from a pawn shop for peanuts a few months later when the guy got kicked out by his old lady.
Even a 338 Win mag gives decent results and maybe doesn't kick as hard as a bigger caliber.

smokinguns_owner
06-17-2015, 05:08 PM
Some big bore are good and cheap enough to think about it , and is what i look at it . this big bore have for most of thing less meat damage than 30-06 or 300 win mag , or 338 win mag . a 50-90 sharps can kill every game in north america . but give a sure kill , and a sure stopping power for grizzly encounter at a cheap price . For people wanted something big , you can reload a ammo box for 80$ a box , I see many 338 lapua or 338 Rum , 375 h&h , 458 win mag at higher price for less stopping power .

kennymo
06-17-2015, 08:40 PM
I second the option of a 338 Lapua. It's not something that usually gets mentioned in these circles because it's newer and people associate big game hunting with either huge calibres or historic calibres. However, when you actually look at the energy delivered on target, the 338 Lapua out-performs a lot of the big boys.

The other benefit is that you'll be spending a lot on this rifle, but with something like 338 Lapua you actually have a dual purpose rifle and you can use it for long-range sport shooting from a bench to see how far you can shoot.

Has the Lapua ever been chambered in a rifle suitable for dangerous game use? I've never seen one with backup iron sights or a barrel profile reasonable for taking an offhand shot. I'm sure it might slightly outperform a 338 Win Mag (on paper anyway), but they aren't generally being produced in a hunting friendly firearm. (Unless hunting consists of long shots and time to set up) And once you're penetrating an animal end to end at close range, more speed isn't going to help. At that point I'd be looking for extra diameter I think. As Rory would say 'lets a little more light in'...

smokinguns_owner
06-18-2015, 12:50 PM
extra diameter are the right choice , too much speed going too pass through game with not enough damages , Large caliber is right choice for big bull and big games Grizzly and african games . In 1874 50-90 sharps use for bison , elk , moose , grizzly . And with smokeless powder this caliber is enter big afrian games rifle , take down power can reach up close to 8000 lbs of energy . enough to kill African Bull Elephant , Or massive Hippo .

With 440 gr and 450 gr bullet , you can easy hunt Grizzly and Moose , Elk . I think is a good choice for someone wanted African killing power rifle without the cost of it . for interesting send PM to me

slim
06-24-2015, 12:14 AM
Not really the biggest out there....but where I hunt I take 2 rifles with me.....because I have a really good chance of bumping into a griz, there have been more than a few guys carried out of the bush in multiple Rubbermaid containers over the years...
Depending where I go, if i'm hunting cut blocks....ill take my .338 WIN mag...its a very versatile, common caliber...that has lots of reloading options.....and has serious stopping power throwing out a 200+ grain bullet at the high end of 2000 fps.....and is a very accurate, hard hitting "long shot" at long hunting ranges...
If I am hunting the thickets, alders and such...I "love" my Marlin 45-70 guide gun...its a serious hard hitting round, that's also accurate out to 200 yards...although in the thick....where the big bucks hide out....you rarely ever get a shot beyond 80 yrds or so....

Both of these calibers are fairly common, not too brutal to sight in.....and have many good reloading options........but most of all......are seriously hard hitting rounds...if you find yourself dragging a deer at dusk and run into a big problem getting back to the truck :)

FlyingHigh
06-25-2015, 05:50 PM
Well, even though I'm planning on taking an extended hiatus from guns I think I've decided on my future dangerous game/African gun. It'll mostly likely be a CZ 550 Safari Magnum chambered in .375H&H or .416 Rigby. Final chambering to be decided down the road once I price out reloading components.

I would love a Merkel double rifle but methinks that will be a bit out of my price range unless something crazy happens and I end up making some serious money.

Thanks for all the suggestions and info! :D

kennymo
06-25-2015, 06:06 PM
Nice choice. I think I prefer the look of the Winchester African myself, but the CZ's no slouch.

Swampdonkey
06-25-2015, 08:58 PM
Extended hiatus from guns? What's the story behind that?

FlyingHigh
06-25-2015, 09:19 PM
Extended hiatus from guns? What's the story behind that?

In a nutshell; life is really busy, considering a couple of major shake ups with regards to work/location, money is tighter than a nun's you-know-what, rising costs of ammunition/reloading components make other hobbies cheaper, my interest in guns is fading due to my getting back into fly fishing, tired of the politics and constantly having to defend/argue/debate gun ownership, guns have become more of a chore than an enjoyable past time.

I'll take a break, then when things stabilize and I feel ready again, I'll get back into them.