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BCGUY12
03-27-2017, 02:48 PM
So, I have a grizzly draw for April 1 - May 31. Anybody have experience taking a grizzly with a 30 calibre? What gun? What bullet? What distance? What result? Plan is to use my 300 WSM with 200 gr ELD-X Hornady (hand loaded).

hawk-i
03-27-2017, 03:12 PM
I'd say what you have will work fine although I've yet to see how the ELD-X's perform on game.

Joshua13
03-27-2017, 04:09 PM
Hey where is your draw? I've got one in 7-38. I plan on using a 308 Norma Mag. Fairly close to what you have.

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BCGUY12
03-27-2017, 07:47 PM
Mine is in 3-37 and 3-42 (draw covers both MU's). I hear the grizzlies are out on the coast already but don't think they have woken up in the Interior yet. Will do a scouting trip this weekend.

BCGUY12
03-27-2017, 07:53 PM
Apparently they tested them on a safari in Africa and they did well on numerous game animals. I forget what calibre and exactly which game the article mentioned.

Swampdonkey
03-27-2017, 08:58 PM
Because I assume you're in it for the hide, a Hornady GMX or Barnes TTSX ought to make fairly clean entry and exit wounds, while creating a vast wound cavity.

Congratulations on drawing a Grizzly! I should get one while I still can.

blacksmithden
03-27-2017, 10:03 PM
Congrats on being successful in the draw. I think you'll have a bit of a hard time coming across guys who have actually shot a grizzly. That being said, I think the gun/cartridge/bullet you're proposing will be MORE than enough to do the job. I've been shooting 300WM (not short) for years, and they can do one hell of a lot of damage to a critter in a big hurry.

BCGUY12
03-28-2017, 08:00 AM
Because I assume you're in it for the hide, a Hornady GMX or Barnes TTSX ought to make fairly clean entry and exit wounds, while creating a vast wound cavity.

Congratulations on drawing a Grizzly! I should get one while I still can.

Yeah, that's what I thought; who knows what will happen with election this summer. NDP candidate said he is okay with grizzly hunt as long as meat is used too. Haven't heard of anyone eating grizzly meat and don't really want to try it!

BgBlkDg
03-28-2017, 01:01 PM
My cousin has shot several BC Grizzlies, legally and he, his wife and five kids have eaten every bit of each one. I do not want to kill one, have extensive BC experience with them as a BCFS worker and have been in on about a dozen kills.

I have seen one killed with a .270Win-old style 150NP decades ago and my last was in 2003, the chap used a .300WM-180NP.

I carried a .30-06, .338WM, .375H&H and now my 9.3x62-286NPs, for protection of self and large crews and on several often remote fire lookouts over my 20+ years of bushwhacking work. I seldom carry when backpacking or fishing, but, might now as I am 70+, gimpy and there seem more aggressive G-Bears than there used to be.

All in all, for deliberate G-Bear hunting, I prefer one of my .338WM-250NP rifles and consider the .30-06-180NP a basic and sound minimum. For those not comfortable with recoil, the latter is the better choice, IMHO.

HTH.

WSA
03-28-2017, 04:30 PM
Your 300 with any sensible bullet is up to the task. I don't see anything wrong with a 200gr ELDx

Joshua13
03-28-2017, 10:10 PM
What does the NP denote on those numbers? Do you mean grains?

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Swampdonkey
03-28-2017, 10:12 PM
Nosler Partition.

BgBlkDg
03-29-2017, 07:02 AM
Yup, just an older, proven, general purpose bullet which I have found VERY accurate and effective on game for me and many others I have known over almost 53 years of hunting.

I believe in "if it ain't busted, don't fix it" and have confidence in NPs based on experience with them.

p3t3rsn
04-12-2017, 06:12 AM
BgBlkDg knows what he speaks of. Phil Shoemaker, a legendary Alaskan Grizzly Guide, often carries a .30/06 loaded 220gr NP. Phil also did informal penetrating test on a dead whale finding that 180gr Barnes bullets in a .30/06 penetrated as much as a .338win and .375H&H. He added that the .338win and .375H&H did "hit harder" though.

bjsgear
04-12-2017, 11:54 AM
So, I have a grizzly draw for April 1 - May 31. Anybody have experience taking a grizzly with a 30 calibre? What gun? What bullet? What distance? What result? Plan is to use my 300 WSM with 200 gr ELD-X Hornady (hand loaded).

375 h&h is recommended for griz, minimum caliber !

deerbeargrouse
04-12-2017, 09:52 PM
I always thought 30-06 180gr was the minimum for a clean grizzly kill. Placement being everything.

Learned something new.....

BgBlkDg
04-13-2017, 08:20 AM
375 h&h is recommended for griz, minimum caliber !

NO, I have never known or worked with a professional who works with Grizzlies, in 61 actual years of experience with these bears. who would ever even suggest this.

I bought my first .375 in spring, 1983, have owned seven of them, loaded and shot hundreds of rounds for them and packed them for many miles in BC and Alberta wilderness while working alone in camps and fire L/Os. I could shoot my 300 NP loads at 2500-2600 fast and well, but, do not recommend them for hunting Grizzlies.

The .375 KICKS, more than a .338WM, .300 mags or my favourite, a warm loaded, 9.3x62, 286NPs at 2450+. This makes it harder to shoot fast and well and the greater weight of a .375 makes it harder to pack in most Grizzly country. So, overall, it is LESS efficient than the .300 mags that the OP wants to use.

A huge, world record Grizzly was shot and cleanly killed some years ago on the BC coast with a .300WM-180 NP handload and this is an excellent and practical choice. I prefer the .338WM to any other BC all game cartridge, 225-250 premium bullets and was shooting my 8+ lb. Dakota 76 yesterday. It is MUCH nicer to shoot than either of my P-64 70s in .375 and far easier to pack all day in the mountains, especially on the "dark side" of 50.

Actually, a good .308Win-.303 Brit. with GOOD CE bullets is fine and the most important issue is to be able to SHOOT, fast and well, under pressure, using a good bullet. Grizzlies are NOT hard to drop, do tend to get up even when well hit and a second well placed 180 NP is better than a 300NP in the guts.

So, use a reasonable round with a good bullet that you can shoot well and practice every week.

deerbeargrouse
04-18-2017, 11:20 PM
Here is a PDF form the US Forest Service discussing bear bullet performance at short range. I have read it many times and still fined it interesting

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.fs.fed.us/pnw/pubs/gtr152.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwi7tNuw36_TAhUB0WMKHTUUCdUQFggaMAA&usg=AFQjCNEJmnJhcsV6V5cFmO8okbMu-7KOmg&sig2=4xl_g-_M-9Hhlf2aZPzB4w

BgBlkDg
04-19-2017, 10:13 AM
I have read that scores of times since it was published and my work for the BCFS included stints alone for 3 months adjacent to the Alaska-BC border before the Stewart-Cassiar Highway was completed.

The bears on the northern BC Coast, are as large as those in adjacent Alaska, BUT, these salmon-fed bears often seem LESS aggressive than usually smaller ones where food is far less available, ie, in the BC Rockies and Trench. So. while their conclusions are certainly valid for the time when the research was done, later developments tend to change things a bit, IMHO.

However, the cartridge used is FAR less important that the BULLET and your shooting skills. I have seen Grizzlies killed with a .270Win-150NPt, a .308Win-can't recall the bullet and .303 British-old CIL KKSP. The guys involved could SHOOT and knew their rifles and were very experienced bushmen.

I would and have lived alone, far from any help, no aircraft access due to weather often for weeks, carrying a light, CRF .308Win. 180NPt at 2600+ and never worried. It was light to pack, so, was never left in a tent or cabin and I could shoot it very well......this to my elderly mind is FAR more useful than packing a 10 lb. .375RUM which is hell to carry and kicks like a feral stallion.

Joshua13
04-21-2017, 02:49 PM
All this technical stuff about bullets is still slightly over my head. (although I'm trying g to learn quickly).
I'm heading up in 2 days for my hunt and am packing a 308. Norma mag. Now the cartridges are old and all I know is that they are 180gr soft points. Based on the limited information how concerned should I be that I may not get enough penetration? The rifle is deadly accurate so as long I I have good nerves my placement should be ok.

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Swampdonkey
04-21-2017, 08:33 PM
You'll be fine. 180 grains in a 30cal is a long bullet.

Rory McCanuck
04-21-2017, 09:32 PM
All this technical stuff about bullets is still slightly over my head. (although I'm trying g to learn quickly).
I'm heading up in 2 days for my hunt and am packing a 308. Norma mag. Now the cartridges are old and all I know is that they are 180gr soft points. Based on the limited information how concerned should I be that I may not get enough penetration? The rifle is deadly accurate so as long I I have good nerves my placement should be ok.

Sent from my E6560T using TapatalkI wouldn't worry, that's a whole bunch of bullet moving pretty quickly, it's going to hit hard.

Swampdonkey
04-21-2017, 10:20 PM
Good luck! Please post photos on your return.