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kennymo
04-05-2017, 01:35 PM
Just got an e-mail.....

http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w534/kennymo81/Mobile%20Uploads/AC2F02D1-78D8-44C5-B82F-D10BBB6FDE6B_zpsc5do9fsg.jpg (http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/kennymo81/media/Mobile%20Uploads/AC2F02D1-78D8-44C5-B82F-D10BBB6FDE6B_zpsc5do9fsg.jpg.html)

Norinco M-305's chambered for 7.62x39 using AK magazines.... Hot or flop? I'd be all over this if I knew they'd be bug free....well....as bug free as your average M-305.....

Love the disclaimer too.

Billythreefeathers
04-05-2017, 02:46 PM
Just got an e-mail.....
What it looks like when you order it,,,

http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w534/kennymo81/Mobile%20Uploads/AC2F02D1-78D8-44C5-B82F-D10BBB6FDE6B_zpsc5do9fsg.jpg (http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/kennymo81/media/Mobile%20Uploads/AC2F02D1-78D8-44C5-B82F-D10BBB6FDE6B_zpsc5do9fsg.jpg.html)
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what it looks like when you get it ;)
http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x339/Billythreefeathers/images%201_zpso296uz2w.jpeg (http://s1176.photobucket.com/user/Billythreefeathers/media/images%201_zpso296uz2w.jpeg.html)

Mark-II
04-05-2017, 03:27 PM
Interesting that North Sylva is importing these but Marstar is making it sound like they are, and yet they are no cheaper than many dealers selling this.

Also interesting is there were vague and unsubstantiated claims in the past by Marstar that the 18.5" guns had issues, which is why they weren't importing them. Those issues fixed? Were they BS?

But, of course, after the Garand fiasco I don't put much stock in their integrity; Shiny & New just might trump Issues.

Dewey Cox
04-05-2017, 04:21 PM
They should have called it the m-305-t2

DT741
04-05-2017, 05:07 PM
I'll wait for the first buyers to shoot and review it, then buy it used on EE ;)

Swampdonkey
04-05-2017, 06:09 PM
Garand fiasco?

lone-wolf
04-05-2017, 06:37 PM
Was hearing $1000 price tag on these, which really made no sense to me compared to a vz58.
The $7something price tag I'm hearing now is making a lot more sense.

Haywire1
04-05-2017, 06:41 PM
Garand fiasco?

Gunsmith slapped a bunch of garands together, unsafe to shoot etc. Marstar sold em and wound up buying them back and selling them all as parts is the nuts and bolts of it.


We dont need to dig it all up, stay on topic. (Swamp had a legitimate question, i answered, we dont need anyone rambling on about it :))

Petamocto
04-05-2017, 06:59 PM
Very interesting concept, entirely dependent on the weight.

6-7 pounds is light and nimble, 8-9 pounds is getting beefy but manageable, and 10+ pounds is beyond the point of not fun to lug around and hunt with anymore.

Sure my M1 Garand can eat up some 30.06 recoil, but it's far from the top of the list of guns I'd want to bush bash and hunt with.

If the weight of this M305 7.62x39 can be kept to around 8 pounds for $700 we're looking at a winning combination.

Swampdonkey
04-05-2017, 07:01 PM
Is it superior to the Ruger Mini-30?

Haywire1
04-05-2017, 08:16 PM
Very interesting concept, entirely dependent on the weight.

6-7 pounds is light and nimble, 8-9 pounds is getting beefy but manageable, and 10+ pounds is beyond the point of not fun to lug around and hunt with anymore.

Sure my M1 Garand can eat up some 30.06 recoil, but it's far from the top of the list of guns I'd want to bush bash and hunt with.

If the weight of this M305 7.62x39 can be kept to around 8 pounds for $700 we're looking at a winning combination.

Its called an sks

kennymo
04-05-2017, 08:46 PM
6-7 pounds is light and nimble, 8-9 pounds is getting beefy but manageable, and 10+ pounds is beyond the point of not fun to lug around and hunt with anymore

And a treestand is even cheaper than an SKS.....unless you get carried away with the tactical cup holders and aftermarket Tapco ladder rungs.

Petamocto
04-05-2017, 08:46 PM
Its called an SKS

No it's not; you must be mistaking the SKS for an actual good gun, like the M14/305.

The SKS is far too heavy for what it is. That said, this gun would be as well if it weighs 9+ pounds.

7 is magic, 8 is acceptable, 9 is too much.

Deuce-deuce
04-05-2017, 08:49 PM
Is it superior to the Ruger Mini-30?

I highly doubt it... but for some reason people are obsessed with AK mags.

Haywire1
04-05-2017, 09:16 PM
No it's not; you must be mistaking the SKS for an actual good gun, like the M14/305.

The SKS is far too heavy for what it is. That said, this gun would be as well if it weighs 9+ pounds.

7 is magic, 8 is acceptable, 9 is too much.

Sks seems fine to me. 100 yards. Right around 3 moa. Same spec as the m14

Deuce-deuce
04-05-2017, 09:19 PM
No it's not; you must be mistaking the SKS for an actual good gun, like the M14/305.

The SKS is far too heavy for what it is. That said, this gun would be as well if it weighs 9+ pounds.

7 is magic, 8 is acceptable, 9 is too much.

Are you a child or weak woman?

In mother Russia sks carry you.

Ballsofice
04-05-2017, 09:25 PM
Interesting.... so which Chinese shop class assembled these ones? and should we buy two else an appendage may fall off?

JustBen
04-05-2017, 10:03 PM
Count me out. The Norinco M14 appealed to me originally due to a wide variety of USGI and aftermarket support.

This does away with some of those features. Also, have fun with corrosive ammo. Non corrosive 7.62x39 is about on par with 7.62x51.

If you're really interested in this caliber, get an SKS or a VZ58.

Lee Enfield
04-05-2017, 10:47 PM
No it's not; you must be mistaking the SKS for an actual good gun, like the M14/305.

The SKS is far too heavy for what it is. That said, this gun would be as well if it weighs 9+ pounds.

7 is magic, 8 is acceptable, 9 is too much.

You need to learn how to shoot as your never ending babble about the SKS is monotonous!

Grizz Axxemann
04-06-2017, 01:03 AM
Meh. Nork Mini 30 with AK mags. I'll wager my 858 with the pitted bore shoots better and weighs less.

P-B.
04-06-2017, 07:53 AM
An AK mag would be Ok if we could Use it, but pinned at 5 makes the great long thing is nothing but a liability that gets in the way when shooting off a rest or prone.

Not for me this one. :-)

josey wales
04-06-2017, 10:06 AM
who else has these forsale besides Marstar?
I think I may pick one up, a man cant live on SKSs alone lol

As for the Vz 58 comparison, what is the gunstore price for one of these now $1500?

one thing about the Mini 30/14 series, they only run reliably on Ruger factory mags, which usually run close to $100 a pop.
Many of us are sitting on piles of Ak mags, it would be nice to have another rifle to use them in.

Don't get me wrong i own all of the guns
listed above, but I love firearms and have always liked the M14 action so i will give it a chance.

kennymo
04-06-2017, 11:31 AM
An AK mag would be Ok if we could Use it, but pinned at 5 makes the great long thing is nothing but a liability that gets in the way when shooting off a rest or prone.

Not for me this one. :-)

There are shorter AK mags, the rifle is getting popular for hunting down south, 30 round banana clipazines aren't any more useful for the purpose there.

kennymo
04-06-2017, 11:33 AM
who else has these forsale besides Marstar?
I think I may pick one up, a man cant live on SKSs alone lol

As for the Vz 58 comparison, what is the gunstore price for one of these now $1500?

one thing about the Mini 30/14 series, they only run reliably on Ruger factory mags, which usually run close to $100 a pop.
Many of us are sitting on piles of Ak mags, it would be nice to have another rifle to use them in.

Don't get me wrong i own all of the guns
listed above, but I love firearms and have always liked the M14 action so i will give it a chance.

I believe Marstar was offering these for roughly the same price as the .308 version, $700 and change, well under the $800 mark.... They'll undoubtably pop up in most of the usual Norinco haunts sooner or later.

Drache
04-06-2017, 12:00 PM
An AK mag would be Ok if we could Use it, but pinned at 5 makes the great long thing is nothing but a liability that gets in the way when shooting off a rest or prone.

Not for me this one. :-)

That is why I have a box of these kicking around ;)

http://i.imgur.com/w4Q3tO4.jpg

Sadosubliminal
04-06-2017, 01:37 PM
It's a neat idea if it works reliably. I shoot a lot of corrosive, so I'm used to the grind of cleaning right after a range trip. I'm sure it'll have a niche, but I'd wait till some range reports come out.

infidel29
04-07-2017, 11:06 AM
Yeah it looks interesting, but I wouldn't buy from Marstar after their m1 garand fiasco even if they were the only ones selling it.

ilikemoose
04-07-2017, 09:01 PM
This is a strange rifle.

Its going to be a $1000 rifle when you buy an expensive scope mount for it.

Deuce-deuce
04-07-2017, 10:27 PM
That is why I have a box of these kicking around ;)

http://i.imgur.com/w4Q3tO4.jpg

I would like to know why a guy who isn't old enough to own an AK apparently has a box of AK mags...

josey wales
04-08-2017, 03:30 AM
sks D? or sks conversion plans?
or a deal he could not refuse.

Sadosubliminal
04-08-2017, 05:44 AM
An AK mag is not a prohibited device. What's the big deal?

Likeaboss
04-08-2017, 06:09 AM
sks D? or sks conversion plans?
or a deal he could not refuse.

Yeah really, I'd considered this option before I'd finished learning about the swing down magazine on the sks.

goudurix
04-09-2017, 05:03 PM
Perfect to complet an 7.62X39 collection.

Justice
04-10-2017, 11:35 AM
Kind of suspect a 7.62 x 39 would be far too short to cycle reliably out of a 7.62 x 51 length action.
Marstar is just taking 'Pre-orders' now. Don't think they actually have any in their shop. And the picture is kind of misleading. Comes with 2 pinned 30 round mags. Assuming our unelected civil servants allow 'em in at all. Wouldn't part with a grand for a cobbled together M305 myself.

shootemup604
04-10-2017, 12:45 PM
Hmm, I've previously seen Garands and M14s with chamber adapters for other calibers.

Eddmac
04-10-2017, 12:52 PM
Am I the only one that thinks that looks horrible?
Also, to me it looks like a standard M-305 with an AK mag sitting in the mag well.

H2O MAN
04-10-2017, 01:48 PM
I wish I could get my hands on one, but they are illegal here.

lone-wolf
04-10-2017, 06:34 PM
I wish I could get my hands on one, but they are illegal here.

I'll trade you one for an ak47, and we can watch the atf/rcmp have a stroke. lol

Mark-II
04-10-2017, 09:02 PM
Am I the only one that thinks that looks horrible?
Also, to me it looks like a standard M-305 with an AK mag sitting in the mag well.

No, it does look like someone's idea of a bad joke. I don't get the appeal of 5/30 AR mags either, unless it's to fit a pouch more than the gun.

Regardless, 20s look better...

deerbeargrouse
04-10-2017, 09:09 PM
No way, not with the pedigree that the mini 30 has.

Edit, unless it was going for $500. And is reliable,then maybe.

DILLIGAF
04-10-2017, 09:49 PM
Perfect to complete an 7.62X39 collection.

No way I would put that beside my Rasheed, 858, SKS-D, and Vz52/57

shootemup604
04-10-2017, 11:55 PM
The SKS-D isn't exactly a very good rifle either...

DILLIGAF
04-11-2017, 04:28 PM
The SKS-D isn't exactly a very good rifle either...

well everyone knows SKS's are junk, But at least they were designed in the X39 Cartridge.

ilikemoose
04-11-2017, 08:02 PM
I wish I could get my hands on one, but they are illegal here.

Whats the appeal?

Deuce-deuce
04-11-2017, 08:54 PM
well everyone knows SKS's are junk, But at least they were designed in the X39 Cartridge.

This is one thing I'm unsure of on this gun... is it scaled down like a mini 30 or is it a full sized m-14 that shoots 7.62x39?

DT741
04-28-2017, 09:29 AM
Anyone got one and tested it yet ?

Mark-II
04-29-2017, 06:49 AM
There was a guy on the other forum a few weeks back said his didn't function.

I've got too many questions of my own on how they are put together.

Mostly around groove diameter and the gas system.

Specter Arms
04-29-2017, 08:34 AM
I am not stocking these but I have it in good authority that another vendor will have these at the red deer show next weekend. It is a chance for everyone (myself included) to look at one up close before making a decision.

Squinty
04-29-2017, 12:55 PM
It is the ballistic equivalent of a football bat.

JustBen
04-29-2017, 01:35 PM
It is the ballistic equivalent of a football bat.

Good god, that sounds terrible.

Squinty
04-29-2017, 06:03 PM
Good god, that sounds terrible.



Almost as bad as steel toed flip flops.

Lee Enfield
05-03-2017, 10:50 AM
well everyone knows SKS's are junk, But at least they were designed in the X39 Cartridge.

Are you the second in command for being "anti SKS".

Here is the definition of junk.

dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/junk
junk meaning, definition, what is junk: things that are considered to be of no use or value, or of low quality:

Seems tens of thousands who have purchased one or more consider them to be of value?
Was in Del's the other day, said he figures he has sold 4,000. Can that many people be wrong in his trading area?:Bang head:

Ashcan Man
05-14-2017, 09:13 AM
Please explain the "Garand fiasco"

kennymo
05-14-2017, 09:43 AM
Please explain the "Garand fiasco"

Marstar imports a large quantity of Italian Garands, rare shortened .308 model. People buy Garands like rabid wolverines on crack, once in the hands of knowledgable people it's determined that said Garands are cobbled together by a poor quality gunsmith, many unsafe to shoot. Public relations chaos ensues, eventually Marstar buys most of them back and hacks them up into the parts kits still being sold on their site.

In a nutshell ;)

sasko31
05-14-2017, 02:23 PM
Hmm, I've previously seen Garands and M14s with chamber adapters for other calibers.

While in Somalia, captured a few Italian garands. One had 7.62 by 39 in the mag and one up spout. Through interpreter the guy said it would shoot. Let's just say never tested that out.

Drache
05-14-2017, 02:31 PM
I would like to know why a guy who isn't old enough to own an AK apparently has a box of AK mags...

The question is why not?

norlandgeese
05-16-2017, 01:54 PM
Sks-d?

Icedman
07-25-2017, 12:06 PM
Would be interesting, but I get the feeling these are going to flop and show up in "look at this obscure gun" type videos on youtube in 5-10 years.

Swampdonkey
07-25-2017, 05:11 PM
Seems tens of thousands who have purchased one or more consider them to be of value?
Was in Del's the other day, said he figures he has sold 4,000. Can that many people be wrong in his trading area?:Bang head:

We're not all superior men of refinery, and I'm sure DILLIGAF relates, seeing his name, haircut, and Dodge.

infidel29
11-06-2017, 04:15 AM
Bit of a necro revival, but has anyone looked at slicking one of these up, to national match specs like we all do with the standard norcs? I know the round isn't inherently super accurate, but now that they've been in country for a few months I figure someone by now has tried to improve the gun? Or are they gold right out of the box? From what I've read most of the parts are interchangeable except for the stock because of the AK mag inletting

Specter Arms
11-10-2017, 12:18 PM
Bit of a necro revival, but has anyone looked at slicking one of these up, to national match specs like we all do with the standard norcs? I know the round isn't inherently super accurate, but now that they've been in country for a few months I figure someone by now has tried to improve the gun? Or are they gold right out of the box? From what I've read most of the parts are interchangeable except for the stock because of the AK mag inletting

The stock can be interchanged with a milling machine to alter it. Don't let that stop you from going all-out on your project