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deerbeargrouse
04-19-2017, 06:07 AM
Please share your thoughts about this cartridge.
Thanks.

Haywire1
04-19-2017, 06:55 AM
I thinks its a neat wildcat, but the energy and performance levels arent that much above the 338 federal, which is a factory caliber to be honest.

deerbeargrouse
04-19-2017, 07:56 AM
That sounds reasonable.

I'm thinking about having one of my 30-06 s converted.

Rory McCanuck
04-19-2017, 10:19 AM
No experience with it, but I sure think it's neat.
I think it's a good step up from the Fed. 2 or 300fps better?
Not too many chances of being under-gunned in N.America.
That's a whole bunch of stomp'em out to 300 or so.

BgBlkDg
04-19-2017, 10:31 AM
After VERY extensive research and discussion with owners of the old .338OKH, I decided to not have one built for me.

I do not see ANY REAL improvement in "power" over a standard .30-06, when both are loaded to equal pressures in barrels of equal length.

I feel the same about the ancient .35Whelen and the only cartridge on a case of similar dimensions that I do find very useful is the older 9.3x62, a brilliant design for practical uses in Africa, by ordinary folks who could not afford a Mauser "Afrika" in .404 or perhaps a Rigby "Big Game" in .416Rigby.

The fantastic .338WM, is widely available, better ballistics and about ideal as a "big gun" for Canadian uses. My slowest one using my usual 250NPt load gives 2670 at the muzzle of it's 22.5" tube and my faster original P-64 70s, four of them, average 2800 fps, from their 25" tubes and shoot VERY well with the same load.

The rifles weigh about the same as a .338-06, recoil is NOT much greater and my pair of Dakota 76-.338WM rifles is now being tuned and loaded for to use the 225TTSX over 2800 fps-mv. Faster, flatter, hits harder and nice to shot, just better than the .338-06.

Build it if you want one as this is 95% fun and games, but, given a 4+1 .338WM quite available, light and CRF, the choice is to me a "no brainer". :)

Camo tung
04-19-2017, 10:33 AM
Or 35 Whelen...a good sized projectile out of the '06 case and factory ammo with about the same availability as the 338 Federal. Depends on what you want to hunt and how far your shots will be.

deerbeargrouse
04-19-2017, 11:30 AM
Thank you all, for your generous replies .... I now have a severe dosage of cartridge fever.

;)

Tony d
05-06-2017, 01:32 PM
I have used the 35 Whelen extensively in the past and also the 338-06 a lot in a Cooper I had of the 2 I would say that the 338-06 is definitely more versatile I guess it really depends what you want it to do shoot big hea vy bullets or lighter ones fairly fast my last one excelled with 185 ttsx and reloader 15 very fast I used it as a 300 mag light so to speak but to each his own if you are more interested in hea vy weights you have that option as well
Cheers Ton

Crobar
05-06-2017, 10:57 PM
I like the '06 wildcats having used most but am biased toward the 35 Whelen simply because I have depended on it since 1964 and it has never let me down.
At this time I'm playing with a super accurate 8mm - 06 on a restocked and reworked Mauser, shoots much better than anticipated..

zulu
05-06-2017, 11:17 PM
I'm building one as soon as I get back from work. Probably the ai version so I can trim less. I don't know what bgblkdg is talking about with recoil saying that the recoil is not much greater then the 338wm??? It should be less much less in fact. There's a whole page about what every cartridge does for recoil given the same weight and the (sharpness) of the speed of the recoil. Plus you don't have a belt. Plus you don't you as much powder for similar effects.

zulu
05-06-2017, 11:21 PM
http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm Here's those charts I was talking about

Rory McCanuck
05-07-2017, 12:20 AM
The fantastic .338WM, is widely available, better ballistics and about ideal as a "big gun" for Canadian uses. My slowest one using my usual 250NPt load gives 2670 at the muzzle of it's 22.5" tube and my faster original P-64 70s, four of them, average 2800 fps, from their 25" tubes and shoot VERY well with the same load.

The rifles weigh about the same as a .338-06, recoil is NOT much greater and my pair of Dakota 76-.338WM rifles is now being tuned and loaded for to use the 225TTSX over 2800 fps-mv. Faster, flatter, hits harder and nice to shot, just better than the .338-06.

Build it if you want one as this is 95% fun and games, but, given a 4+1 .338WM quite available, light and CRF, the choice is to me a "no brainer". :)


I don't know what bgblkdg is talking about with recoil saying that the recoil is not much greater then the 338wm??? It should be less much less in fact...
He's talking about a 338 WM, rifle weighs about the same, but recoil isn't much greater.
Way I read it, anyways.

zulu
05-07-2017, 12:34 AM
Ahhhh thank you that does make more sense

BgBlkDg
05-07-2017, 07:17 PM
The belt is not an issue, it does strengthen the case head a bit, which really means squat in today's world and the .338WM, is so simple and easy to load and tune to superb accuracy that case design is meaningless.

The difference in powder capacity, in this comparison is insignifigant as the larger WM case gives considerably higher velocity, ESPECIALLY
with the high BC, heavier bullets which are why the .338WM exists and was developed from various wildcats and old British designs.

Buy a good .338 bore barrel, chamber it to .338/06 and chrono it with 225-250 NPs, SAFS or 225TTSXs. Then, re-chamber to .338WM and perform the same checks. I will bet that in 23-24" of this tube, you will get about 200 fps-mv MORE, using the best loads for the SAME bullets.

That is a level of performance that is, IMO, well worth the slightly greater "bump" at your shoulder and teeny bit more powder used to get it.

YMMV, of course, but, after 49+ years of loading for the .338WM, ownership of about a dozen rifles so chambered and most damned fine ones, many sub-MOA groups and so forth, I see NO benefit to the .338/06, especially with the high costs of available factory brass or the total PITA of forming, etc. cases.

If, I could have only ONE rifle for all BC-AB-YT-NWT hunting and wilderness work, it would be a custom CRF .338WM, no question. Some things just WORK!

BgBlkDg
05-07-2017, 07:31 PM
http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm Here's those charts I was talking about

This guy is a joke to any experienced, knowledgeable rifle nut and his drivel about what recoil levels a man can stand is laughable. I used to shoot a pair of P-64-Mod 70 original .300H&H rifles, Leupy QD mounts and Leupy 2.5x8 scopes. These hold 4+1 and had checkered steel butt plates.

I would load them with my practice load of the 200 Speer at 2800+ and then place them on the bench next to me at the old Barnet Rifle Club near Vancouver. I would shoot one, then the other as fast as I could, standing, no sling and at 4x at the usual 100 yd bull with no pads just T-shirt and jean jacket.

I would consistently put all ten shots, bang, bang, bang into average 4.5" and this was not difficult in terms of recoil. It takes practice and ignoring the gun writer BS about shooting-recoil. I am, BTW, somewhat neurologically impaired due to severe childhood injuries.

Sooooo, a .338WM is a better mousetrap, IMO. :)

TRshooter
01-19-2018, 12:07 PM
I have over 30 rifles all the way up to 416 Rigby and love playing with all of them. 10 years ago, an old friend of mine (god rest his soul) built me a 338-06 on a TCR 87. This and a 280 Ackley have become my favored hunting rifles I always felt that bullet placement will always out do power. Saying that if I am dealing with Grizzly I feel more conferrable with bigger lead in my hands. But so far no Elk or Moose have noticed that the bullet was 100 or 200 feet slower.