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M1917 Enfield
06-27-2017, 09:45 PM
I was wondering how long it would take the Lieberals to blame Harper and the conservatives for their debt and deficits, after all Wynnie and the Ontario Lieberals still constantly blame Mike Harris for their debts and deficits!


http://globalnews.ca/news/3559766/justin-trudeau-fiscally-responsible-deficit/


Justin Trudeau says Liberal gov’t is fiscally responsible, blames deficit on Tories


OTTAWA – Prime Minister Justin Trudeau argued Tuesday that his Liberal government has been keeping its promise to be fiscally responsible and pointed to the previous Conservative administration as at least partly to blame for higher-than-expected deficits.

Trudeau maintained the Liberals were consistent with their 2015 election commitment to add about $10 billion in new spending for 2016-17, their first full year in office.

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But he insisted the Liberals had to deal with a baseline deficit of $18 billion after they came to power, even though their Conservative predecessors had predicted a balanced budget.

The Tories have long disputed Liberal claims that they left the country in the red following their election defeat, which came part way through the 2015-16 fiscal year.

In trying to make his case, Trudeau revisited a bitter political debate over the post-election state of the public books that raged between Liberals and Tories long after the election.

“We just went from a floor where the budget was balanced, because supposedly the Conservatives had balanced the budget, to what was the reality of our budget of being at about $18 billion in deficit at the end of that first year,” Trudeau told a news conference.

“So, we’ve been consistent with our plan and our approach.”

In fiscal 2015-16, which was partly under the Conservative government and partly under the Liberals, Ottawa ended up posting a deficit of $1 billion. The Harper government had projected surpluses of $1.4 billion for that year and $1.7 billion in 2016-17.

Trudeau appeared to be referring to the 2016-17 fiscal year, his government’s first full year in office, in his claim that connected the Conservatives to an $18-billion deficit.

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Each party held power for several months in 2015-16, a year marked by economic disappointment primarily linked to the weak global economy and low oil prices.

The Tories blame the eventual shortfall on fresh spending by the Liberals. They have pointed to a report last October by the parliamentary budget officer, which said Ottawa was likely on track to run a surplus in 2015-16 had it not been for new spending on measures like enriched veterans’ benefits.

The Trudeau government has been repeatedly criticized for a budgetary outlook that projects several years of deficits, including a shortfall of $23 billion for 2016-17. The release of the final 2016-17 figures is expected in the fall.

This fiscal year, the government is predicting a deficit of $28.5 billion, including a $3-billion accounting adjustment for risk.

Trudeau’s government has also come under attack for abandoning key fiscal promises since taking office.

The Liberals won the election with a pledge to run annual shortfalls of no more than $10 billion over the first three years of their mandate and to eliminate the deficit by 2019-20.

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The prime minister refused once again, however, to say when the books would actually be balanced.

“We made the decision … in the last election that instead of focusing on balancing the books arbitrarily, and at all costs, we would focus on the investments needed to grow the economy,” he said, referring to the Liberal plan to run deficits in order to invest billions in areas like infrastructure.

The latest federal budget does not project when the deficit will be eliminated and forecasts shortfalls across its outlook, which only extends until 2021-22.

A federal report, published on the Finance Department website in December, predicted that, barring any policy changes, Ottawa could be on a path filled with annual deficits until at least 2050-51.

soulchaser
06-27-2017, 10:32 PM
I'll give the douchebag credit for one thing:

He certainly sounds like he believes his own bulls--t.

soulchaser
06-27-2017, 11:06 PM
He also blamed the opposition for him breaking his electoral reform promise.

Yeah, cuz the opposition forced you to make a promise you had no intention of keeping.

The opposition forced you to put quite possibly the most inept MP to every sit in the HOC in charge of the file.

RangeBob
06-28-2017, 01:10 PM
I'll give the douchebag credit for one thing:

He certainly sounds like he believes his own bulls--t.

By way of example of "he sounds like he believes his own"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvWWm_mMV6c

FALover
06-28-2017, 01:21 PM
Sorry folks but Trudeau is nothing but a sh*t eating piece of scum. If he was to repeat any of that vile rhetoric to my face, I would be hard pressed to stop from punching his head through his a**hole. Everyday my money buys less. Everyday I become less of any middle class and more to the marginal class. He has done SFA for me, my children or most anyone else I know. I wish him and anyone close to him the wrath of satan. Burn in hell you socialist whore.

Rory McCanuck
06-28-2017, 03:16 PM
Justin Trudeau says Liberal gov’t is fiscally responsible
Me saying I'm Jennifer Aniston's husband doesn't make it true, either.

soulchaser
06-29-2017, 07:31 AM
Parliamentary Budget Officer testified in front of a committee the CPC in fact left a small surplus and the only reason there was a ONE BILLION DOLLAR SHORTFALL, NOT this $18 Billion hole Trudeau claims for fiscal 2015 - 2016 was because of LIBERAL spending.

soulchaser
06-29-2017, 07:36 AM
Canadian Taxpayers Federation - Fédération canadienne des contribuables
23 hrs ·

No, Prime Minister, your fiscal goal was three years of 'modest' deficits and then a balanced budget. It's right there in your platform.

And no, the last government did not leave you with an "$18 billion baseline deficit". (They actually left you with a balanced budget or at worst a $1 billion deficit)

What actually happened was: you assumed you would have more to money to spend. Turns out you had less. But you went ahead and borrowed and spent anyway.

How is this good for the 'middle class Canadians' you keep saying you speak for?

soulchaser
06-29-2017, 07:36 AM
Trudeau is the stereotypical spoiled little rich kid.

Nothing is ever his fault. Someone else is always to blame.

soulchaser
06-29-2017, 07:44 AM
From a CBC article:
"Conservative MP Gerard Deltell said he didn't know how Trudeau came up with the $18-billion deficit number."


Quite simple actually. You just have to think like a Liberal:

They promised a $10 billion deficit.

They racked up a $28 billion deficit.

How do the look like they are fiscally responsible and kept their promise?

Their actual deficit of $28 billion - their promised $10 billion deficit = The CPC left an $18 billion deficit.

Sinbad
06-29-2017, 07:46 AM
No surprise to me. I can't possibly loathe him anymore than I do now. Worse PM ever hands down. Nobody else is even in his league.

GonZo
06-29-2017, 07:51 AM
This just seems like standard politics.

First term majority - Blame the last guys for everything going wrong, some people will believe it and usual will vote them back in
Second term majority - Can't blame the last guys anymore as we are the last guys, people see that they make mistakes themselves, voted out.

And the other circumstance

Minority government - blame the fact mistakes get made on the fact you don't have enough people to fully implement your plan, voters will go either way.

Now we all know Turdeau is a massive failure but some people will believe the bull poop, other will not see it as mistakes (the really dumb ones), but if he screws up enough he will bet voted out in his first term.

RangeBob
06-29-2017, 08:03 AM
From a CBC article:
"Conservative MP Gerard Deltell said he didn't know how Trudeau came up with the $18-billion deficit number."


Quite simple actually. You just have to think like a Liberal:

They promised a $10 billion deficit.

They racked up a $28 billion deficit.

How do the look like they are fiscally responsible and kept their promise?

Their actual deficit of $28 billion - their promised $10 billion deficit = The CPC left an $18 billion deficit.

In the 1950's an 1960's, that was referred to as Thinking Like A Housewife.
When asked by the husband when he gets home from work how much the new sofa cost, she doesn't tell him the price but rather tells him how much she saved him. The new sofa was 'required' to keep up with the Jones's, and she found one on sale (they were real sales in the 1950s not what we have today where any sale less than 80% off probably isn't a sale). She would add, that because she saved that amount off the 'necessary' spending, that money is now hers to buy dinner table flowers with.

glockfan
06-29-2017, 08:10 AM
I'll give the douchebag credit for one thing:

He certainly sounds like he believes his own bulls--t.

what a bustin liar all azimuts he really is. a cocky pack of brown matter held together by an obvious waste of flesh.

once he's burnt with the lieberals he's gonna be locked from every political party.

the CPC of steven harper left the hill with a + 10 billion cushion . the turd has pitched close to 30 billions in only 1.5 year as PM and with 0 improvement on the economy.

turdo,you're a waste of skin . go back to where you can brainwash the kids with liberal progressism as art teacher (!!!!) you belong there,and there only.

goosesniper
06-29-2017, 08:35 AM
I am a believer in the legalization or decriminalization of pot. On the other hand I would like him to break this promise as well. He'd absolutely be ousted.


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speedloader
06-29-2017, 08:46 AM
This is not a surprise at all he's a liar and a thief
and will not ever admit wrong doing no matter what ......

Hope all the LIBTARD Harper hater idiot voters are getting a good dose of this asshole
and what he and his criminal incompetent cronies have done to this country already in a short time

RIP those who fought and died for this country and for freedom
one day we will get it back

Canada_Phil
06-29-2017, 11:20 AM
I suppose the inevitable large scale attack on our soil will also be blamed on Harper....

And the Sock Puppets will be in complete agreement.

RangeBob
06-29-2017, 11:53 AM
Sock Puppets

A phrase that was perfectly understandable in 2015, yet in 2017 ...

Do Sock Puppets include justin's feet ?

Waterloomike
06-29-2017, 01:51 PM
I am a believer in the legalization or decriminalization of pot. On the other hand I would like him to break this promise as well. He'd absolutely be ousted.


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I wouldn't give him credit for legalization. If it happens he will have decriminalised some of it. But there will be some aspects that will still be criminal and carry up to 14 years in prison.

He's an ass.

Swingerguy
06-29-2017, 02:05 PM
I wouldn't give him credit for legalization. If it happens he will have decriminalised some of it. But there will be some aspects that will still be criminal and carry up to 14 years in prison.

He's an ass.

I can really only see this as a positive, it will hopefully alienate some lib supporters enough to vote differently, or at least choose not to vote.

RangeBob
06-29-2017, 02:12 PM
I wouldn't give him credit for legalization. If it happens he will have decriminalised some of it. But there will be some aspects that will still be criminal and carry up to 14 years in prison.

Decriminalisation does not mean that people can use drugs with impunity, nor that they can be cultivated-for-sale and sold.
Decriminalisation means that possessing small amounts no longer lands the perpetrator with a criminal record or a jail sentence.

Legalisation, of the sort enacted in Uruguay and a handful of US states, means that consumers face no penalty at all (unless, for instance, they smoke in public places). More importantly, it means that the supply side of the business—cultivation, transportation and retailing—is also legal. Legalization means it is a legitimate, taxable occupation.

Thus, decriminalisation doesn't mean decriminalizing it. It means it's either outright illegal or perilously close to illegal, but excused by a licence or won't-be-prosecuted-under-minimum-quantity-possessed-only (how you acquire it might be illegal).
(e.g.
- what happens if you go away on vacation, and your plants grow too large.
- what happens if you and your girlfriend are each carrying 80% of the maximum, and she asks you to hold her purse.)

Canada_Phil
06-29-2017, 02:28 PM
A phrase that was perfectly understandable in 2015, yet in 2017 ...

Do Sock Puppets include justin's feet ?

He IS the Sock!...

and the Puppets are all of his crony social media followers who lap up everything he does like a cult of loyal rubber stampers.

Waterloomike
06-29-2017, 03:17 PM
Decriminalisation does not mean that people can use drugs with impunity, nor that they can be cultivated-for-sale and sold.
Decriminalisation means that possessing small amounts no longer lands the perpetrator with a criminal record or a jail sentence.

Legalisation, of the sort enacted in Uruguay and a handful of US states, means that consumers face no penalty at all (unless, for instance, they smoke in public places). More importantly, it means that the supply side of the business—cultivation, transportation and retailing—is also legal. Legalization means it is a legitimate, taxable occupation.

Thus, decriminalisation doesn't mean decriminalizing it. It means it's either outright illegal or perilously close to illegal, but excused by a licence or won't-be-prosecuted-under-minimum-quantity-possessed-only (how you acquire it might be illegal).
(e.g.
- what happens if you go away on vacation, and your plants grow too large.
- what happens if you and your girlfriend are each carrying 80% of the maximum, and she asks you to hold her purse.)

So are you saying it is merely decriminalization or no?

Because a lot of that sounds like the same read I'm making.

RangeBob
06-29-2017, 03:20 PM
Because a lot of that sounds like the same read I'm making.

I think my post #21 is in agreement with your post #19.
I merely posted the definitions of the terms 'legalizing' and 'decriminalizing', since to the pot legislation inexperienced the two seem identical.

You said he wasn't legalizing it. Legalization is defined as no aspect of it is criminal (possession any quantity, transport, growing, sales, purchase). He's not doing that.
You said he was decriminalizing it. Decriminalizing being defined as tiny quantities being possessed are not prosecutable, but all other aspects are criminal (possession over the tiny amount, growing without permits, sales, purchase). He's doing that.

RangeBob
07-01-2017, 08:25 AM
justin is doing 'decriminalization not legalization', of marijuana,
the same way California is doing 'decriminalization not legalization' of child prostitution with SB1322.
Sb1322, which passed Sept 2016, bans police from charging people under the age of 18 with prostitution;
which many took to mean that California had legalized child prostitution,
but it's still illegal for Californians to hire prostitutes (child or otherwise),
sex traffickers will still face consequences if they are caught prostituting children in California, and
adult Californians who engage in sexual activities with persons under the age of consent are still subject to being charged with statutory rape.

Waterloomike
07-01-2017, 09:05 AM
justin is doing 'decriminalization not legalization', of marijuana,
the same way California is doing 'decriminalization not legalization' of child prostitution with SB1322.
Sb1322, which passed Sept 2016, bans police from charging people under the age of 18 with prostitution;
which many took to mean that California had legalized child prostitution,
but it's still illegal for Californians to hire prostitutes (child or otherwise),
sex traffickers will still face consequences if they are caught prostituting children in California, and
adult Californians who engage in sexual activities with persons under the age of consent are still subject to being charged with statutory rape.

That's a fairly similar argument. It sort of makes prostitution of a minor a victimless crime by the law not being able to charge the youth in question. They are the victim not the pimp. But they could be.

I'm in agreement, but imho, pot is less harmful than child prostitution.

IIRC, it's 14 years under trudeau's new pot law for giving pot to a minor.

Swampdonkey
07-02-2017, 10:37 PM
That's a fairly similar argument. It sort of makes prostitution of a minor a victimless crime by the law not being able to charge the youth in question. They are the victim not the pimp. But they could be.

I'm in agreement, but imho, pot is less harmful than child prostitution.

IIRC, it's 14 years under trudeau's new pot law for giving pot to a minor.

If it passes without amendment. Senators may help.

Waterloomike
07-03-2017, 09:35 AM
If it passes without amendment. Senators may help.

Lets hope there is some intelligent, responsible member of the government that will.

RobertMcC
07-03-2017, 09:37 AM
Harper didn't waste billions of dollars on Refugees, and global warming BS at other countries.

wolver
07-03-2017, 10:37 AM
Harper didn't waste billions of dollars on Refugees, and global warming BS at other countries.

Best thing Trudeau did was to bring in new immigrants. We aren't able to sustain the Canadian population by our own means, and a falling population means no growth to the economy.
The books will balance themselves or the CPC will fix the deficit next time they're in power. The Kid should be good for at least one more term before the voters find the err in their ways.

RobertMcC
07-03-2017, 10:46 AM
Trudeau also received a surplus, so its his own doing.

M1917 Enfield
07-03-2017, 01:06 PM
Best thing Trudeau did was to bring in new immigrants. We aren't able to sustain the Canadian population by our own means, and a falling population means no growth to the economy.
The books will balance themselves or the CPC will fix the deficit next time they're in power. The Kid should be good for at least one more term before the voters find the err in their ways.

Actually the Conservatives under Harper increased the number of immigrants coming into Canada (mainly skilled) when they upped the limit and introduced the Express Entry system in January 2015. Trudeau just kept the system in place but brought in more refugees!

"Because of the Express Entry system more than 320,000 new permanent residents settled in Canada in the past year of 2016, the highest total number for many decades.

Since Express Entry was first launched in January, 2015, the government has processed applications through the new system, in addition to working through a backlog of applications submitted before Express Entry came into operation."

M1917 Enfield
07-03-2017, 01:08 PM
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Waterloomike
07-03-2017, 01:47 PM
It will only be useful if he stays anywhere over there.

shredder
07-04-2017, 01:58 PM
No surprise to me. I can't possibly loathe him anymore than I do now. Worse PM ever hands down. Nobody else is even in his league.

Except his dear ol' dad, Turdo Sr!

killer kane
07-04-2017, 06:00 PM
I'm thinking he's working on being worse than the man who raised him.

lone-wolf
07-04-2017, 06:09 PM
Cash to the clinton foundation? lol

killer kane
07-05-2017, 02:57 PM
I'm sure they gave him some too.