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Rory McCanuck
06-29-2017, 03:34 PM
'This is over': Indigenous protesters shut down news conference after objecting to 'white lady's' question

A news conference about an indigenous demonstration devolved into shouting and outrage Thursday morning, after protesters took offence to a CBC reporter’s question


Maura Forrest

June 29, 2017
4:14 PM EDT

http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/indigenous-protesters-shut-down-news-conference/wcm/8fe4de3c-92ad-45e1-a39e-99cff8019cb2

A news conference about an indigenous demonstration on Parliament Hill set to coincide with Canada 150 celebrations devolved into shouting and outrage Thursday morning, after protesters took offence to a CBC reporter’s question.

The demonstrators called the reporter “white lady” several times and demanded that she leave, before shutting down the conference.

The reporter had asked the protesters how they felt about Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s record on indigenous issues.

In response, one of the activists had begun to speak about a young indigenous person who had died in Thunder Bay.

“But how can he be blamed for that? You don’t think that anything he’s doing is helping the situation? Is he an improvement over Stephen Harper? Talk about his record,” the reporter said.

“Excuse me? Did I just hear you correctly?” said protester Jocelyn Wabano-Iahtail. “How can he be blamed for that?”

Their anger escalated quickly after the reporter asked them to answer her question. “We don’t want you here. Can you please leave?” said another protester, Sophie McKeown from Moose Cree First Nation.

After the reporter refused to leave and another reporter from CTV asked a similar question, Wabano-Iahtail accused the reporters in the room of showing their “white privilege” and “white fragility,” and eventually ended the news conference.

“You can’t take our truth,” she said. “Look how many people came to bat for you, white lady. And you’re a guest here. Without us, you’d be homeless. This is over.”

http://wpmedia.nationalpost.com/2017/06/123.jpg?w=640&quality=60&strip=all
Jocelyn Wabano-Iahtail speaking to reporters after attending a press conference on Parliament Hill in Ottawa Ontario Thursday June 29, 2017. Tony Caldwell/Postmedia News

The exchange occurred after a group of activists attempted to set up a teepee on Parliament Hill Wednesday evening, but were blocked by police. Around 10 people were detained briefly and then released.

Eventually, in the early hours of Thursday morning, the protesters were permitted to erect the teepee just inside the Parliament Hill gates, near the East Block.

During the news conference Thursday morning, the activists said they were not satisfied with the compromise.

“That teepee needs to be moved into the centre of this Parliament,” said John Fox. “That teepee should not be in a little corner by itself.”

The demonstration is intended to remind Canadians that many indigenous people will not be celebrating the 150th birthday of Confederation this July 1.

“Our group is here to educate people,” said Candace Day Neveau, with the Bawating Water Protectors. “We’re here to say that celebrating Canada 150 is difficult for our people because of what we’ve been through. It’s celebrating our pain.”

Asked what the group was told by the RCMP when they were blocked last night, Neveau told reporters that police said they should have had an application in six months ago to request permission to erect a teepee on Parliament Hill.

“Those aren’t our ways,” she said. “We don’t have to honour the bureaucracy.”

http://wpmedia.nationalpost.com/2017/06/parl-native-protest-201706291.jpg?w=640&quality=60&strip=all
A man stands outside a large teepee erected by indigenous demonstrators to kick off a four-day Canada Day protest in front of Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Thursday, June 29, 2017. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Justin Tang


The police only allowed them to erect their teepee near East Block after the protesters stood their ground and insisted they weren’t going to leave, she said.

Heightened security measures will be in place around the capital this weekend, including armed police officers and surveillance cameras. About 500,000 people are expected to join in Canada Day celebrations around Parliament Hill.

Hamda Deria, an organizer of the demonstration, told the National Post Thursday afternoon that the teepee will stay where it is through July 1.

The group plans to host sunrise ceremonies, speakers and panel discussions. Deria said events will kick off with a ceremony at 6 p.m. Thursday.

National Post

Rory McCanuck
06-29-2017, 03:35 PM
There's a video of the incident at the link
http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/indigenous-protesters-shut-down-news-conference/wcm/8fe4de3c-92ad-45e1-a39e-99cff8019cb2
Sorry, can't embed it.
GOC Challenge, how long can you watch without bursting out in laughter?

soulchaser
06-29-2017, 04:01 PM
“But how can he be blamed for that? You don’t think that anything he’s doing is helping the situation? Is he an improvement over Stephen Harper? Talk about his record,” the reporter said.

After the reporter refused to leave and another reporter from CTV asked a similar question....


Ah yes.

CBC and CTV trying their darnedest to defend the Messiah and blame Harper.

F--king scum. Traditional media can't die fast enough for this guy.

soulchaser
06-29-2017, 04:02 PM
“Those aren’t our ways,” she said. “We don’t have to honour the bureaucracy.”


Someone's been taking lessons from black lives matter I see.

Dewey Cox
06-29-2017, 05:01 PM
Can we just say that giving natives everything they ask for is not our ways?
They should be able to understand that.

Swampdonkey
06-29-2017, 05:14 PM
R@b!d $qu@w, or whatever that Albertan school district employee got fired for texting.

Ballsofice
06-29-2017, 05:24 PM
Oh boy that is a train wreck!

I take offense to their comments that white people have been here for 500 years my ancestors stopped by for a visit in AD 1000 :evil1:

Suputin
06-29-2017, 05:42 PM
After the reporter refused to leave and another reporter from CTV asked a similar question, Wabano-Iahtail accused the reporters in the room of showing their “white privilege” and “white fragility,” and eventually ended the news conference.

“You can’t take our truth,” she said. “Look how many people came to bat for you, white lady. And you’re a guest here. Without us, you’d be homeless. This is over.”

Good god, talk about fragility.

What is it about lefties they constantly label others with the affliction they suffer from?

R&R Rancher
06-29-2017, 05:47 PM
I'm so confused. A reporter angered an Indian protestor. I applaud this, but the reporter works for CBC, who I detest. My head is spinning!

BgBlkDg
06-29-2017, 05:55 PM
R@b!d $qu@w, or whatever that Albertan school district employee got fired for texting.

Exactly, and it is getting worse as the issues with the American Indians claiming hunting RIGHTS and poaching in the West Kootenays. has shown.

I am going "home" about the 6th and will go to the focus point of this travesty at Vallican, to see just what is happening and what is being done about it.

Plinker 777
06-29-2017, 06:27 PM
Good god, talk about fragility.

What is it about lefties they constantly label others with the affliction they suffer from?

That appears to be a misquote. I never heard her say "Without us, you'd be homeless." I'd also like to see the video clip from the beginning to end.

It appears that something said (or the way it was said) prompted two elders to come to the defense of their junior who was at the podium. This action of the elders may have been something as simple as taking control of the press conference from their junior spokesperson due to her not being versed in a response to a question about the Prime Minister's political tract record?

It's a bit of a weird dynamic politically speaking from their end. Elders from this community or that community don't speak for, or are meant to be viewed as, representative spokes people for the entire tribe/Nation, let alone all First Nations. So, whenever one of them is publicly speaking at an event like this, they risk being criticized by their own tribe/Nation and perhaps even lose the confidence of their own public office if they mis-step when the camera's are on. It is a highly charged political office they hold.
Their visceral reaction to what appears to be a simple question doesn't make sense to me. There's something more going on here.

I can tell you from experience, that when being interviewed by the media, there is a prerecorded conversation that takes place. The person being interviewed is told the line of questioning well before the camera and audio are turned on. With this level of understanding, it is unnerving when the reporter takes a completely different line of questioning while the camera's are on requiring one to think on their feet. Which invariably comes off as a stammering mess as one is forced into a completely unprepared for mindset and line of questions and answers. (I've often wondered why Trudeau's handlers allow him to look so foolish under these very circumstances...Harper's handlers were 'smarter') Often, we see individuals put into this place act in defensive posturing and language. Sometimes lashing out as we see here. As with all things, when dealing with the media there is a trust factor and relationship building. A reporter can make you look like an Einstein or a fool and certain reporters specialize in playing this dynamic (Trump knows it when he states "No questions from you, you're fake news." What the idiot actually means is that, that particular reporter or media outlet is not friendly to him.).
I'm suggesting that this dynamic may be at play here as well...we really need to see the whole clip to draw a proper conclusion. Well; I do at any rate. ;D

labradort
06-29-2017, 07:27 PM
I watched a few clips on CTV. National Post had a video clip of the angry exchange as well, but they have cut me off after 10 items today, and want a subscription now, so I can't double check what I thought I had heard.

The CTV coverage included 45 minutes of the press briefing, with each of the speakers you can see on the stage. It was civil then.

The mistake was when the CBC reporter essentially went to bat for Team Trudeau, asking how he can be blamed, and then later toning it down to "haven't things improved in contrast to Harper?". The elder ladies didn't like the CBC reporter taking command of the line of discussion, and started saying "excuse me?". I think I heard the CBC lady say "just answer the question", and that was when the elder ladies went ballistic. (You cannot hear the CBC lady properly on the CTV footage, as it is only picking up the mic on the podium.) I can agree that "just answer the question" from a reporter is disrespectful, maybe not so much to our culture. What the CBC reporter implied in how she did this was: "I need to get your response and then I can escape this room, job done.", which the native elders I think identified well this person is no friend and is only an apologist for Team Trudeau.

Having said that, I can't stand to listen to the lady with the glasses. Even during the civil part of the conference, she was very irritating to listen to. She didn't win any understanding from Canadians with that, as the outburst has pushed aside all of the points they made with their spokespeople in the prior 45 minutes.

firemachine69
06-29-2017, 07:55 PM
“But how can he be blamed for that? You don’t think that anything he’s doing is helping the situation? Is he an improvement over Stephen Harper? Talk about his record,” the reporter said.

After the reporter refused to leave and another reporter from CTV asked a similar question....


Ah yes.

CBC and CTV trying their darnedest to defend the Messiah and blame Harper.

F--king scum. Traditional media can't die fast enough for this guy.



Isn't it hilarious Harper's been gone for a year almost, and people are still frothing at the mouth over him?

labradort
06-29-2017, 08:59 PM
Isn't it hilarious Harper's been gone for a year almost, and people are still frothing at the mouth over him?

Yes, for most Liberal supporters, this is how they see their view: they heard so many things about Stephen Harper's policies, he became a symbol of evil. The same sort of thing has happened around Donald Trump. So the NDP chose to describe the new leader for Conservatives as Trump-like.

Years ago I heard the Nova Scotia government explain the transfer payments from the Federal government had been slashed, and this is why we needed cuts to spending on roads, education and health care. Then one day I looked it up at Stats Canada, and under the Federal Conservatives there had been no cuts to transfer payments, whether in gross amount or in percentage increase over the previous year - in some years it was better increase than under Paul Martin.

There are only some people who really support Justin Trudeau. The bulk only see him as a better alternative to an unknown blob that might be an option to avoid. It only requires making the alternative better known to the point people can forget Stephen Harper and there is a chance. That, and the vote split on the left because Trudeau has pissed off the people who wanted things like pipeline policies, democratic reform, etc. The ones who feel failed by Trudeau's cardboard cut out will now vote Green, or NDP, or not vote.

killer kane
06-29-2017, 09:41 PM
Isn't it hilarious Harper's been gone for a year almost, and people are still frothing at the mouth over him?

He must have made a bigger impact on the commie scum than we all thought.

soulchaser
06-29-2017, 09:49 PM
Isn't it hilarious Harper's been gone for a year almost, and people are still frothing at the mouth over him?

He's been gone almost TWO years. The election was Oct. 2015. We're basically in July 2017.

But hell, the Ontario Liberals are still blaming Mike Harris for s--t, and he's been gone since like, 2001.

Plinker 777
06-29-2017, 10:19 PM
Mike Harris is an a$$hole.

blacksmithden
06-30-2017, 05:15 AM
It sounds as if they dont like the fact that their saviour, Selfie The Clown, is taking kindlier to his Muslim immigrant followers than he is to them. Awwwww....you mean Trudeau mislead and lied to you ? Say it aint so.....say it aint so.

Oh....Im officially changing Turds name from Selfie The Clown, to Selfie The Post Turtle btw. Google "post turtle" if you dont get the reference. It will make instant sense.

joe6167
06-30-2017, 06:09 AM
Oh....Im officially changing Turds name from Selfie The Clown, to Selfie The Post Turtle btw. Google "post turtle" if you don't get the reference. It will make instant sense.

Awww, poor turtle... Why would someone do that to a poor creature. Trudeau on the other hand... he can stay up there...

Last night I sent a buddy a link to the video of him falling down the stairs. I reminded him, "this is the guy that is running the country and deciding all of our fates"

firemachine69
06-30-2017, 06:24 AM
He's been gone almost TWO years. The election was Oct. 2015. We're basically in July 2017.

But hell, the Ontario Liberals are still blaming Mike Harris for s--t, and he's been gone since like, 2001.


Didn't he just retire from the HoC last year?



Mike Harris is an a$$hole.



Yes yes, we know, liberal troll. You're entitled to your entitlements and someone else can pay for them.

RangeBob
06-30-2017, 06:41 AM
"post turtle"

Doesn't that mean that the Canadian Voting Public are mean bastards who made justin Prime Minister so that he could suffer alone with heat prostration, dehydration, and starvation -- but with an alarmingly good view?

http://bitsandpieces.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/post-turtle.jpg


_______________

Thanks to guys like Boss Tweed, famous for saying, 'I don't give a damn who does the voting, as long as I do the nominating,' there hasn't been an honest election in the USA since sometime around the War Between the States.
-- L. Neil Smith ( http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/L._Neil_Smith )

Battle Beaver
06-30-2017, 09:29 AM
I couldn't help myself, I had to make a "Tru-rtle".

Enjoy. :)

http://www.battlebeaver.com/images/trudeau_post_turtle.png

Battle Beaver

soulchaser
06-30-2017, 10:48 AM
And of course Trudeau, never one to miss a chance for a photo op and make something all about him, stopped by the tee pee this morning for a chat and made sure cameras well rooling as he made his dramatic exit from the structure.

Wonder if they all had a bit of the, you know, "puff, puff, pass" While they were in there.

Wonder too if the protests were angered Trudeau appears to have worn plain white socks to the meeting.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/trudeau-visits-indigenous-group-parliament-151305866.html

RangeBob
06-30-2017, 11:13 AM
Wonder too if the protests were angered Trudeau appears to have worn plain white socks to the meeting.
If he's wearing boots I think white socks are ok (and fanciful socks would have been hidden anyway under boots),
but if he's wearing black shoes then one would think that someone with justin's fashion sense would know better than to have white socks under black shoes.

M1917 Enfield
06-30-2017, 11:26 AM
I like this meme which I have used many times in the past when referencing Justine -

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/1d/6f/79/1d6f79877c09e41e3be542f399de2dc7.jpg

ilikemoose
06-30-2017, 12:48 PM
The Trudeau loving liberal left getting attacked by the radical hate all white people left makes me laugh.

Its like the Toronto Pride parade getting highjacked by BLM.

That the current liberal left is so unaware of history where social and political revolutions almost invariably turn on those well meaning, moderate reformers who indulge in champagne socialisim and they too are sent to the guillotine, or the gulag when the purges come.

Canada_Phil
06-30-2017, 12:50 PM
I'm so confused. A reporter angered an Indian protestor. I applaud this, but the reporter works for CBC, who I detest. My head is spinning!

Well, on further reflection you will see that they were trying to prop up the Puppet Master by slagging Harper!! So much for any illusion of objective reporting. Those reporters were not actually trying to ask real questions but were instead attempting to craft and shape the narrative in a certain direction.

"Harper" appears the growing answer to EVERYTHING for them. You can only assume that Ralphdale and Mick Jagger's Son have their morning after apologist press statement already prepared for when "Manchester" comes to visit us.... and somehow it will all be on Harper.

awndray
06-30-2017, 01:28 PM
The bolded section was Trudeau's response when Water Protector Candace Day Neveau said, "We want to turn INAC into the Office of Honourable Treaty Relations."


Prime Minister Justin Trudeau visited a teepee on Parliament Hill that was erected as a symbol of the unresolved grievances many Indigenous people have as the country is set to celebrate its 150th anniversary.

The teepee was moved Thursday night, with the help of the RCMP, from a spot on the edge of the parliamentary lawn to a more prominent location next to the main stage in front of Centre Block.

Trudeau was seen wearing a jean jacket with the words "150 years young" emblazoned on the back. He was accompanied by his wife, Sophie Grégoire Trudeau.

The prime minister spent some 40 minutes with a handful of activists and left without speaking to media, saying only that his visit was a "a message of respect and reconciliation."

Members of the Bawaating Water Protectors, who came to the capital from Sault Ste. Marie, Ont., to build the teepee, have said they are not engaging in protest, but rather a "reoccupation" of Parliament Hill, which is situated on the traditional territory of the Algonquin people.

Water protectors figure prominently in First Nations culture, and have been at the forefront of protests against natural resources development in this country.

"I'm overwhelmed right now," Candace Day Neveau, a spokeswoman for the water protectors, said after the meeting. "We let Justin know that we want to hold him accountable [on his promises]. We'll be coming back if we don't feel like we're being honoured, and we'll be exerting our inherent right to be here as Indigenous people."

Neveau later posted a nine-minute video of the conversation with the prime minister on her Facebook page.

She made it clear to Trudeau that one of their principal concerns are the continued imposition of the Indian Act on First Nations peoples and mismanagement at the department of Indigenous Affairs.

For decades, this document has dictated relations between the federal government and Indigenous peoples, while also setting parameters on who can register as a status Indian.

Trudeau told the activists that he is prepared to move Canada beyond "colonial structures."

"I've said we have to go beyond the Indian Act, we have to end the Indian Act, but we can't do it with a stroke of the pen from Ottawa. We have to do it with your partnership, with your leadership," he said in the video captured on an iPhone. "We need to respect your pace and accompany you on that [path] as best we can."

Trudeau also thanked the activists for "being these strong voices, for being courageous," while reiterating he was pleased that they could find a way to keep the teepee in place.

"We need to have a space for you," he said. "This is very visible, very present, and a counter balance to the narrative [of the 150 celebrations]."

"There was not a lot that he could promise outright," Ashley Courchene, a member of Sagkeeng First Nation, said of the talks.

"[But] I think that we are glad that he did come and say that what we did [building the teepee] is very, very important. He did bring up a good point that, at no time in the past have prime ministers met with somebody who is doing this. I commend the prime minister for coming and doing that."

On Thursday, when asked about the "reoccupiers," Trudeau said it was understandable that not all are celebrating equally.

"We recognize that over the past decades, generations, indeed centuries, Canada has failed Indigenous peoples," Trudeau said.

The group intends to perform Indigenous ceremonies all weekend, and will be at the centre of celebrations that are expected to draw some 500,000 people to Ottawa's downtown core.

These activists, like many other Indigenous people, say they have little reason to celebrate the country's history of colonialization, marked by land dispossession, Indian residential schools and assimilation.

RCMP officers searched the teepee before the prime minister entered.

"They searched everything [and] that's totally fine. We're not hiding anything. We're here to show you everything. We're open. We're here to show a peaceful ceremony on traditional lands," Johnathan Wabigwan, one of the activists, said of the police presence.

Inside the tent, Trudeau thanked activists for understanding the role security forces have to play in protecting the Canada Day festivities.
Video - http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-visits-reoccupation-teepee-1.4185758

Plinker 777
06-30-2017, 04:22 PM
"We have to do it with your partnership, with your leadership." This is the fundamental problem. I believe that we as a country have wanted to resolve all First Nations grievances (Indian Act as an example) for 40 years now. The problem is several First Nations have no problem with the Indian Act. The individuals he was speaking with in the Tee-Pee don't speak for all.

As another example, Chief Shawn Atleo stepped down in 2014 frustrated over bill C-33. His counsel wouldn't support his efforts and attempted to undermine him politically.
As far back as Joseph Brant, First Nations are notorious for criticizing who's in charge, to what extent is their authority, who do they speak for?
Sooner or later, I hope Trudeau corners them collectively into a corner and asks them for now forward...who is the boss, where's your Chief? We wish to address your grievances, but will only do so once. Put the ball in their court. it will take them another 40 years for them to realize that they can't come to consensus as to who leads them and who has the authorities to discuss.

Having said that, there is no reason that every single Canadian doesn't have access to potable water and electricity. Two of three Global indicators of abject poverty. Canadians ought not live in abject poverty. There is no excuse for it.

M1917 Enfield
06-30-2017, 04:47 PM
Having said that, there is no reason that every single Canadian doesn't have access to potable water and electricity. Two of three Global indicators of abject poverty. Canadians ought not live in abject poverty. There is no excuse for it.

Yeah, if after paying all my many user fees, excessive taxes, including property taxes and city provided utility bills and I also did not have full access to potable water and electricity I also would be really ticked off too!

I also have found through experience that hard study while at school, industrious work ethic and working hard as well as paying all my bills on time is the best way I avoid living in poverty! But maybe I am a bit old fashioned in that old school philosophy of mine, as some seem to think you can get to the same end game by just relying on handouts, the government and getting others to do all the hard work, pay for their bills and make all the hard sacrifices.

DasMauser
06-30-2017, 04:49 PM
What a f@cking joke.

So what now, they need more "funding" to feel better for a year or 2 and they want the land parliament is on handed back to them? I'm done with it. Lots more to rant about but I wouldn't want an infraction. Lol.

Also an update in Manitoba, theres now a group of these retards on the #1 Highway East blocking all lanes. RCMP just showed up on the scene.

And they wonder why the general population doesnt take them seriously...

Swampdonkey
06-30-2017, 04:51 PM
We need more Islamic drivers in Manitoba.

That comment has nothing to do with the previous post, just displaying my multiculturalism.

DasMauser
06-30-2017, 04:53 PM
Yeah, if after paying all my many user fees, excessive taxes, including property taxes and city provided utility bills and I also did not have full access to potable water and electricity I also would be really ticked off too!

I also have found through experience that hard study while at school, industrious work ethic and working hard as well as paying all my bills on time is the best way I avoid living in poverty! But maybe I am a bit old fashioned in that old school philosophy of mine, as some seem to think you can get to the same end game by just relying on handouts, the government and getting others to do all the hard work, pay for their bills and make all the hard sacrifices.

Exactly, they want to be sovereign and completely independent but everything has to be paid for out of the taxpayers pocket. Never did understand that

Plinker 777
06-30-2017, 05:08 PM
Yeah, if after paying all my many user fees, excessive taxes, including property taxes and city provided utility bills and I also did not have full access to potable water and electricity I also would be really ticked off too!

I also have found through experience that hard study while at school, industrious work ethic and working hard as well as paying all my bills on time is the best way I avoid living in poverty! But maybe I am a bit old fashioned in that old school philosophy of mine, as some seem to think you can get to the same end game by just relying on handouts, the government and getting others to do all the hard work, pay for their bills and make all the hard sacrifices.

Do you pay these prices for food? Then can only wash it down with boil only water?
http://globalnews.ca/news/2934532/20-ground-beef-northern-ontario-first-nations-spend-more-than-50-of-income-on-food/

Suputin
06-30-2017, 05:33 PM
I was in a homeless shelter today that caters to native women. For the first time it dawned on me that nearly 100% of the people that run/vounteer at this shelter are ....... white.

Seems even the natives don't care much about natives. Maybe if they stopped acting like spoilt little children and took responsibility for themselves and their people, the rest of us would have some respect for their needs.

firemachine69
06-30-2017, 05:56 PM
Do you pay these prices for food? Then can only wash it down with boil only water?
http://globalnews.ca/news/2934532/20-ground-beef-northern-ontario-first-nations-spend-more-than-50-of-income-on-food/


Why the f*** would you buy ground beef for $9 a pound when you're surrounded by moose and elk? You know, the whole cultural hunting thing? :slap:

Dewey Cox
06-30-2017, 06:20 PM
I thought electricity and treated water were from the whiteman, and they felt they were better off without it?

M1917 Enfield
06-30-2017, 06:39 PM
Do you pay these prices for food? Then can only wash it down with boil only water?
http://globalnews.ca/news/2934532/20-ground-beef-northern-ontario-first-nations-spend-more-than-50-of-income-on-food/

Those terrible multinational money grabbing grocery chains servicing those remote native reserves are clearly ripping those poor natives off by charging those outlandish grocery prices, they must be pocketing at least a 1000% profit on the shipping and sale of those groceries! Why don't the natives stop shopping there and instead go to their nearest Walmart for cheap priced food?

Why can't the government just build their own native run supermarkets and stock them with lots of cheaply priced groceries? It would be the least we could do after stealing their country about 300 years ago and turning it into a European colony with lots of city based supermarkets selling cheap groceries to the white people!

Have these poor natives not suffered enough already? I suggest we have a special native tax added onto all our grocery shopping items to pay for it and a water tax to pay for crystal clean water on every reserve!

Swampdonkey
06-30-2017, 06:49 PM
I thought electricity and treated water were from the whiteman, and they felt they were better off without it?

Same with liquor.

firemachine69
06-30-2017, 07:25 PM
I want to point out, If they took basic care of their water systems (like adding chlorine to their water system every once in a blue moon), they wouldn't always be under a boil water advisory.

DasMauser
06-30-2017, 07:57 PM
Same with liquor.

I think you mean "firewater".

Plinker 777
06-30-2017, 10:17 PM
http://www.sbs.com.au/topics/life/culture/article/2017/02/01/racist-theres-test

M1917 Enfield
07-01-2017, 12:41 AM
http://www.sbs.com.au/topics/life/culture/article/2017/02/01/racist-theres-test

I took that test and it said I was just a huge cranky Big Otter!

Come on now, how can I be a cranky Big Otter!


http://img.bibo.kz/9316/9316077.JPG

shortandlong
07-01-2017, 05:25 AM
Exactly, they want to be sovereign and completely independent but everything has to be paid for out of the taxpayers pocket. Never did understand that

Kinda like the Quebec referendum

Doug_M
07-01-2017, 06:54 AM
http://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-robson-canadians-feel-for-aboriginals-but-our-patience-for-too-many-insults-has-limits/wcm/0ceac263-d2b2-4619-a8af-1ac4f9fa60ee#comments-area

John Robson: Canadians feel for aboriginals, but our patience for too many insults has limits

Aboriginal activists should remember that the public to whom their appeals for reconciliation are addressed is not a faceless line of abusive residential school staff

It seems the federal Liberals are starting to pay a price for their arrogance. It is a cautionary tale for others including aboriginal militants whose scornful response is helping take the shine off Trudeaupia.

The Liberals were remarkably conceited to suppose their sunny ways and blithe ignorance of reality would, among other things, enable them to solve all problems with the descendants of Canada’s pre-European inhabitants. But the fault is not entirely theirs.

As the National Post noted, Aboriginal Day, a classic from the ministry of symbolism, went sour fast for the Liberals. Including rededication of the old U.S. embassy across from Parliament Hill as some sort of aboriginal space being met with sneers: “Indigenous architects called the building a ‘hand-me-down’ and not ‘culturally appropriate space’” and the chair of the Royal Architectural Institute of Canada Indigenous Task Force “said Ottawa should pay for the construction of a building that Indigenous architects design.”

You’re welcome. Besides, what would be “culturally appropriate”?

Presumably the idea is not to create a pre-contact structure, a longhouse or teepee without furnace, electricity or running water. These indigenous architects, in a profession unknown before 1534, drive cars, own smartphones, issue press releases and generally live like the rest of us in the full flood of modernity. But that’s not the point.

The point is to bow to whatever demand is made without presuming to analyze its logic. Hence NDP MP Romeo Saganash declaring himself insulted and frustrated not to be permitted to speak only Cree in the House of Commons “because my language has been spoken for 7,000 years.”

This claim is manifestly false. The Cree that Saganash speaks today cannot possibly long predate Latin or Sanskrit. Especially in non-literate societies, language is dynamic and fast-changing and becomes barely recognizable after centuries, let alone millennia. Nor did various First Nations occupy their traditional territory for millennia before white people showed up and got violent.

Another recent victim of political correctness (which is itself a European cultural imposition) was the Governor General, despite his manifest sympathy for aboriginal causes, because he called aboriginals “immigrants.” Some zealots actually seem to deny that humans entered North America across the Bering Strait at all. Others apparently believe they all came across at once, fanned out equitably to places the Creator assigned them, then lived in peace and harmony with one another and nature.

They didn’t. They came in waves and spread out in waves, frequently displacing earlier settlers violently. Where is the “Dorset culture” today? Or the Laurentian-speakers Cartier found at Hochelaga but Champlain did not? An excruciating piece in Canada’s History magazine just claimed that before European contact “Life here in Turtle Island was self-determining – the rivers ran as rivers, the elk roamed as elk, and the many nations of Indigenous peoples charted their own paths to the future…. Everything had the right to life. The deer had an inherent right to life… to live in a healthy home and to raise its children in a kind and loving way. The peoples of this land, too, had the right to life…”

The author admits people killed deer, albeit respectfully. But nowhere does his piece mention war, torture, sex slavery or any of the other all-too-human things ordinary Canadians know happened in this non-Eden despite the exquisite PC grovelling that is instinctive among our political and cultural elites.

In his ill-fated announcement of the new aboriginal cultural centre in the old U.S. embassy, Prime Minister Trudeau said “No relationship is more important to this government than that with the indigenous peoples.” Bosh. The most important relationship for any government is with all the citizens in whose name, for whose benefit and with whose permission it governs.

By the same token, aboriginal activists should try to remember that the Canadian public to whom their appeals for reconciliation and justice are ultimately addressed, often in peremptory language, is not a faceless line of Jeffrey Amherst clones and abusive residential school staff. A great many of us, or our ancestors, came here fleeing oppression and sometimes encountered it on arrival too, and have long tales of historical woe of our own about which nothing can ever be done.

I speak not only of non-white Canadians. What of Canadian descendants of survivors of the Holocaust, Stalinism, the Armenian genocide or even just French religious persecution?

Most Canadians are heartbroken at the difficulties that afflict so many aboriginals today and bitterly regret the history that brought this misery. But most of us had nothing to do with it, have sad stories of our own ancestors, and will tire of every open hand being met with open insult like a “reoccupation” of Parliament Hill to spoil the Canada Day mood, of every concession bringing new demands.

Peddling false history from within the mantle of victimhood is perilously arrogant for those who claim special treatment based on history. So beware.

Hubris does not only bring nemesis to white politicians.

glockfan
07-01-2017, 07:05 AM
Oh....Im officially changing Turds name from Selfie The Clown, to Selfie The Post Turtle btw. Google "post turtle" if you dont get the reference. It will make instant sense.

https://39uhx2trii4zt1im-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/turtle-on-a-fence-post.jpg

awndray
07-01-2017, 07:59 AM
http://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-robson-canadians-feel-for-aboriginals-but-our-patience-for-too-many-insults-has-limits/wcm/0ceac263-d2b2-4619-a8af-1ac4f9fa60ee#comments-area

John Robson: Canadians feel for aboriginals, but our patience for too many insults has limits

Aboriginal activists should remember that the public to whom their appeals for reconciliation are addressed is not a faceless line of abusive residential school staff

Beautiful. This needs to be spread far and wide.

RangeBob
07-01-2017, 08:39 AM
Romeo Saganash ... not to be permitted to speak only Cree in the House of Commons “because my language has been spoken for 7,000 years.”
This claim is manifestly false. The Cree that Saganash speaks today cannot possibly long predate Latin or Sanskrit.
One needn't go that far back.
If Romeo Saganash can speak Cree and thousands of others can speak and understand Cree, then it's been spoken in the past couple of minutes.

Rooster
07-01-2017, 10:27 AM
I wonder if Mr. Saganash considered the insult and frustration of the Dene or the multitude of other first nations with his demand that he be allowed to speak only Cree. Does that represent those nations from that position? Hardly. In fact, it explicitly excludes them. But that's okay....for the Cree...

Another prime example of the fractured approach to this whole thing. And the rest of Canada's 'obligation' to continue to swallow shit in the hopes to satisfy what will eternally be an insatiable problem.

BgBlkDg
07-01-2017, 11:57 AM
Actual SLAVERY was practiced by these "noble" people here on the BC Coast well into the 1950s as the halfbreed father of the Trudeau government minister, Jody Wilson-Raybould, a notorious drunk, racist and "tough guy" "Chief" Bill Wilson, flatly stated in his August, 2007 screed in The Vancouver Sun.

In short, these primitive, genocidal and illiterate people have greatly benefited from OUR civilization and now lie, threaten, cajol and snivel to we whose taxes support their "culture".

F**k 'em, it's time to show them some "tough love" and stop ALL funding, cancel ALL "treaties" and let them sink or swim like we must. Violent actions??? Heli-gunships and the JTF2 boys.............

Forbes/Hutton
07-01-2017, 12:04 PM
Actual SLAVERY was practiced by these "noble" people here on the BC Coast well into the 1950s as the halfbreed father of the Trudeau government minister, Jody Wilson-Raybould, a notorious drunk, racist and "tough guy" "Chief" Bill Wilson, flatly stated in his August, 2007 screed in The Vancouver Sun.

In short, these primitive, genocidal and illiterate people have greatly benefited from OUR civilization and now lie, threaten, cajol and snivel to we whose taxes support their "culture".

F**k 'em, it's time to show them some "tough love" and stop ALL funding, cancel ALL "treaties" and let them sink or swim like we must. Violent actions??? Heli-gunships and the JTF2 boys.............

It was estimated by the first Europeans to reach the West coast that 1/3 of the inhabitants were slaves.

Suputin
07-01-2017, 12:09 PM
In short, these primitive, genocidal and illiterate people have greatly benefited from OUR civilization and now lie, threaten, cajol and snivel to we whose taxes support their "culture".

Prior to the arrival of white europeans, the natives were a stone age society. They did not have metals. They did not use the wheel. And they did not have horses so they walked everywhere.

What they are claiming as "culture" ... driving around on a quad and jacklighting deer with electric lights, while killing them with firearms is all european culture and technology.

I would be happy to support the natives in their culture, when they go back to living in a skin teepee and dragging all their sh!t around on foot, while chasing deer off a big cliff.

RangeBob
07-01-2017, 01:20 PM
F**k 'em, it's time to show them some "tough love" and stop ALL funding, cancel ALL "treaties" and let them sink or swim like we must.

Michael Bryant: How Pierre Trudeau's misbegotten plan to extinguish indigenous rights ignited the fight to save them


There’s a lot more to celebrate on Canada’s 150th birthday than gargantuan rubber ducks. That’s why the National Post asked some of Canada’s most interesting personalities and writers to tell us what they would rather celebrate about Canada on the sesquicentennial — that is, if the government actually gave a duck what they thought.

June 23, 2017
Canada

Pierre Trudeau's plan to strip indigenous groups of their special status detonated an explosion of indigenous independence. The 1969 White Paper crystallized the mobilization of aboriginal leadership across Canada

The Boston Tea Party and American Revolution have the advantage of high drama when it comes to celebrating powerful historic reminders of how government’s imperious over-reaching can foment rebellious change for the better. A Canadian “white paper” comes off as colourless as it sounds.

And yet it was a “white paper” that fomented crucial, rebellious change in Canada. Today, Canadians recognize that reconciliation with indigenous peoples and celebration of their culture is a cornerstone of what we should be feting for Canada’s sesquicentennial (what’s a 150th birthday without an indigenous drum ceremony?). But a mere 50 years ago, then-prime minister Pierre Trudeau was ready to throw in the towel on indigenous rights, armed with a “white paper” in hand.

During Trudeau’s first term as prime minister, his ministers floated discussion policy papers (called “white papers,” for their white covers) aimed at sparking public debate on how to achieve the “just society” that Trudeau envisioned for Canada.

http://wpmedia.nationalpost.com/2014/01/jim-coutts.jpg?quality=60&strip=all

The “Statement of the Government of Canada on Indian policy (The White Paper, 1969)” argued that a just society for indigenous people could be achieved through desegregation: the scrapping of Ottawa’s department of Indian Affairs; the scrubbing of all references to “Indians” in Canadian laws; and the rescinding of any “special status” for indigenous peoples.

At the time, Trudeau said: “We can go on adding bricks of discrimination around the ghetto in which they live and at the same time perhaps helping them preserve certain cultural traits and certain ancestral rights. Or we can say you’re at a crossroad—the time is now to decide whether the Indians will be a race apart in Canada or whether it will be Canadians of full status.”

The white paper, it could be said, sought to acknowledge the failure of segregated aboriginal rights, by explicitly eliminating them, through desegregation. For Trudeau, it turned out to be a Trojan Horse of his own making.

Although the minister responsible, Jean Chrétien, was told that this was the change aboriginal leaders were seeking, aboriginal leaders and then the provinces went berserk after the 1969 white paper’s release. Assimilation was not how to achieve equality, they argued. In fact, special status was exactly what indigenous leaders sought.

The threat of losing their special status detonated an explosion of indigenous independence. In British Columbia, indigenous leaders quickly gathered in Kamloops to organize against the white paper. The paper effectively crystallized the mobilization of aboriginal leadership across Canada. It changed Canada for good.

The pan-Canadian aboriginal political protest—backed by the provinces—resulted in the proposal being shelved. But the ideas therein were not rejected until 1973, when Trudeau responded to the Supreme Court of Canada’s decision in Calder v. Attorney General of British Columbia —a case that established that aboriginal peoples and their lands attract special legal rights.

After digesting the Calder decision, Trudeau established the indigenous claims process in 1974 that remains in place today. Through these processes, Ottawa negotiates with aboriginal groups about their claims to their special status rights. By so doing, Canada reversed the white paper’s premise, opting to pursue equality through the fulfillment of indigenous legal rights. Trudeau later entrenched these rights in the 1982 re-patriated Constitution.

As such, when it came to indigenous rights, Trudeau was more Lyndon Johnson on civil rights than Lincoln on slavery — he became a convert.

Today, Canadians take it for granted that our governments and prime minsters must honour their constitutional obligations to aboriginal peoples. But around Canada’s centennial, the opposite was true. For a time, Trudeau Sr. sought to extinguish aboriginal rights. At our 150th, we see the legacy of that effort, in remembering the 1969 white paper: all that was wrong with it, and all that it has changed.


Michael Bryant is the former Ontario Attorney General and Minister of Aboriginal Rights

http://nationalpost.com/opinion/beyond-the-duck-how-pierre-trudeaus-misbegotten-plan-to-extinguish-indigenous-rights-ignited-the-fight-to-save-them/wcm/bf89079d-ae79-479a-8ba3-596db5a501cc

Forbes/Hutton
07-01-2017, 01:25 PM
Prior to the arrival of white europeans, the natives were a stone age society. They did not have metals. They did not use the wheel. And they did not have horses so they walked everywhere.

What they are claiming as "culture" ... driving around on a quad and jacklighting deer with electric lights, while killing them with firearms is all european culture and technology.

I would be happy to support the natives in their culture, when they go back to living in a skin teepee and dragging all their sh!t around on foot, while chasing deer off a big cliff.

Oh, but they did have horses, at one point. It seems the "keepers of the land" managed to wipe out the North American wild horse about 2,000 years ago. Along with several hundred other species of animals and birds. According to some scientists, the mammoth could have survived all the different climate changes (gee, this isn't the first?!) through till today, but it was hunted into extinction by guess who?

Probably the biggest lie is the story that it was European or whites that nearly wiped out the North American Buffalo. Think about it, perhaps at any time a couple of hundred dedicated buffalo hunters and a handful of settlers shooting from trains is hardly going to kill millions and millions of buffalo, think about the cost of the ammunition alone. What really did in the buffalo was the Indians and their "buffalo jumps", they would drive whole herds over the cliffs and then butcher out their favorite bits of meat, leaving the rest to rot (this is how they managed to wipe out the native horse). The problem they had was keeping up with the horse/buffalo, and it took a fair bit of luck to have a herd move close enough to the jump for it to be used. With the arrival of the European horse they were suddenly able to range out much further, and instead of driving a single herd over a jump in a summer, they were able to do it weekly. They also took on bigger herds, as it seems while the buffalo weren't really afraid of a Indian running around screaming, an Indian on top of a horse (an animal taller, if not bigger than a buffalo) did cause them enough concern that they would move away, allow the Indians to herd the buffalo over the jump (before this, a common method of scaring the herd over a jump was to light a grass fire, this of course was not really great for the immediate environment, and, allow with the migration of the herds, was why they only got a herd a year). Add in guns to scare the buffalo and things really got out of control, buffalo would always run from from a screaming Indian on horseback firing a gun. Instead of using the guns to pick off enough animals to feed the group for a week, they would slaughter a herd a week (it has been suggested that this was due to the Indians being terrible shots due to their complete lack of training or knowledge of the proper use of a firearm).

Suputin
07-01-2017, 03:23 PM
Actually it was a bit longer ago than that but does correspond to the arrival of humans in N America some 13,000 to 15,000 years ago.


The last prehistoric North American horses died out between 13,000 and 11,000 years ago, at the end of the Pleistocene,

6MT
07-01-2017, 03:27 PM
What the he11 is this "new" word? They are indians, damn it!

killer kane
07-01-2017, 04:28 PM
Oh, but they did have horses, at one point. It seems the "keepers of the land" managed to wipe out the North American wild horse about 2,000 years ago. Along with several hundred other species of animals and birds. According to some scientists, the mammoth could have survived all the different climate changes (gee, this isn't the first?!) through till today, but it was hunted into extinction by guess who?

Probably the biggest lie is the story that it was European or whites that nearly wiped out the North American Buffalo. Think about it, perhaps at any time a couple of hundred dedicated buffalo hunters and a handful of settlers shooting from trains is hardly going to kill millions and millions of buffalo, think about the cost of the ammunition alone. What really did in the buffalo was the Indians and their "buffalo jumps", they would drive whole herds over the cliffs and then butcher out their favorite bits of meat, leaving the rest to rot (this is how they managed to wipe out the native horse). The problem they had was keeping up with the horse/buffalo, and it took a fair bit of luck to have a herd move close enough to the jump for it to be used. With the arrival of the European horse they were suddenly able to range out much further, and instead of driving a single herd over a jump in a summer, they were able to do it weekly. They also took on bigger herds, as it seems while the buffalo weren't really afraid of a Indian running around screaming, an Indian on top of a horse (an animal taller, if not bigger than a buffalo) did cause them enough concern that they would move away, allow the Indians to herd the buffalo over the jump (before this, a common method of scaring the herd over a jump was to light a grass fire, this of course was not really great for the immediate environment, and, allow with the migration of the herds, was why they only got a herd a year). Add in guns to scare the buffalo and things really got out of control, buffalo would always run from from a screaming Indian on horseback firing a gun. Instead of using the guns to pick off enough animals to feed the group for a week, they would slaughter a herd a week (it has been suggested that this was due to the Indians being terrible shots due to their complete lack of training or knowledge of the proper use of a firearm).

I'm sure i mentioned this once before, but, I remember hunting just off of highway 22 a few years ago and as I was going to get out of the truck to take a walk down a trail I smelt something rotting, so I thought i'd drive around a bit more, just to check out what was going on. What was going on was a bunch of moose carcasses with just a few parts cut out.

awndray
07-01-2017, 05:12 PM
Probably the biggest lie is the story that it was European or whites that nearly wiped out the North American Buffalo. Think about it, perhaps at any time a couple of hundred dedicated buffalo hunters and a handful of settlers shooting from trains is hardly going to kill millions and millions of buffalo, think about the cost of the ammunition alone. What really did in the buffalo was the Indians and their "buffalo jumps", they would drive whole herds over the cliffs and then butcher out their favorite bits of meat, leaving the rest to rot (this is how they managed to wipe out the native horse).

The drawings in the cave walls don't lie.

Plinker 777
07-01-2017, 05:36 PM
The drawings in the cave walls don't lie.

Neither do photographs. Fact of the matter is that Buffalo/Bison were treated as a commodification. Fertilizer (or at least their bones were). A few thousand Natives didn't wipe out the Buffalo (idiotic proposal). European capitalists did.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sSxThL7UV_8/U6hvuOqkw2I/AAAAAAAAJfo/ZkXWZdszdZ8/s1600/Bison+skulls+pile+to+be+used+for+fertilizer+,+1870 .jpg

It's a good thing that racism isn't against a criminal law...sure is thick around here. So thick I thought I was on the wrong site. Imagine for a moment if a Native guy was reading half of the bullsh1t written on this page...how would you feel?

IBTL.

6MT
07-01-2017, 05:42 PM
Neither do photographs. Fact of the matter is that Buffalo/Bison were treated as a commodification. Fertilizer (or at least their bones were). A few thousand Natives didn't wipe out the Buffalo (idiotic proposal). European capitalists did.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sSxThL7UV_8/U6hvuOqkw2I/AAAAAAAAJfo/ZkXWZdszdZ8/s1600/Bison+skulls+pile+to+be+used+for+fertilizer+,+1870 .jpg

It's a good thing that racism isn't against a criminal law...sure is thick around here. So thick I thought I was on the wrong site. Imagine for a moment if a Native guy was reading half of the bullsh1t written on this page...how would you feel?

IBTL.

I totally disagree! What's wrong with calling them indians? It's what they are. Obvious. A non-head-scratcher.

...and not a derogatory term either. Not racist. Not demeaning.

What's worse is this "politically correct" bu11sh1t world we live in.

762shooter
07-01-2017, 06:51 PM
That's the first thing I picked up on too!

Suputin
07-01-2017, 07:36 PM
It's a good thing that racism isn't against a criminal law...sure is thick around here. So thick I thought I was on the wrong site. Imagine for a moment if a Native guy was reading half of the bullsh1t written on this page...how would you feel?

IBTL.

Exactly the same as I feel about being blamed for something my parents and grandparents had NOTHING to do with. My father came over from England in the late 1950's, long after european civilization had been firmly entrenched in Canada. My family, being of English and German extraction had NO role in the troubles of the natives, yet as a white male, I get lumped into all the BS as an oppressor?

I'm tired of being blamed for other people's problems and stuff I and my family had nothing to do with.

The natives love to whinge about how badly european society has treated them, while benefiting greatly from european society and technology. Its like decrying the wool industry while wearing a wool sweater on a cold day.

If they don't like it, there is nothing stopping them going back to their stone age historical ways. Its just that its a whole lot easier to bitch and complain from the comfort of your taxpayer provided home with wall-to-wall and central heating.

Plinker 777
07-01-2017, 08:37 PM
I totally disagree! What's wrong with calling them indians? It's what they are. Obvious. A non-head-scratcher.

...and not a derogatory term either. Not racist. Not demeaning.

What's worse is this "politically correct" bu11sh1t world we live in.

You're free to disagree, and by all means use a bull horn to proclaim it if you wish...However, the truth of the matter is they are not 'Indians' as they are not ethnically from India!? Who are you to decide what is derogatory and demeaning? Why don't you ask them if they find the term "Indian" derogatory or demeaning (despite the truth that it is as inaccurate as a description could possible be?). Asking someone how they wish to be referred to isn't 'politically correct bullsh1t'!? What it is, is cordial. The way folks who respect one another get along. And yes; it is universal. (sweet jebus the uneducated stupidity here sometimes!)

Plinker 777
07-01-2017, 08:41 PM
Exactly the same as I feel about being blamed for something my parents and grandparents had NOTHING to do with. My father came over from England in the late 1950's, long after european civilization had been firmly entrenched in Canada. My family, being of English and German extraction had NO role in the troubles of the natives, yet as a white male, I get lumped into all the BS as an oppressor?

I'm tired of being blamed for other people's problems and stuff I and my family had nothing to do with.

The natives love to whinge about how badly european society has treated them, while benefiting greatly from european society and technology. Its like decrying the wool industry while wearing a wool sweater on a cold day.

If they don't like it, there is nothing stopping them going back to their stone age historical ways. Its just that its a whole lot easier to bitch and complain from the comfort of your taxpayer provided home with wall-to-wall and central heating.

When has a First Nation person accused you, personally of being an oppressor? :popcorn: Your honesty in answering will be most appreciated.

6MT
07-01-2017, 09:23 PM
You're free to disagree, and by all means use a bull horn to proclaim it if you wish...However, the truth of the matter is they are not 'Indians' as they are not ethnically from India!? Who are you to decide what is derogatory and demeaning? Why don't you ask them if they find the term "Indian" derogatory or demeaning (despite the truth that it is as inaccurate as a description could possible be?). Asking someone how they wish to be referred to isn't 'politically correct bullsh1t'!? What it is, is cordial. The way folks who respect one another get along. And yes; it is universal. (sweet jebus the uneducated stupidity here sometimes!)

Bahahahahaha!!! Sorry, that's too funny.

Rory McCanuck
07-01-2017, 09:30 PM
You're free to disagree, and by all means use a bull horn to proclaim it if you wish...However, the truth of the matter is they are not 'Indians' as they are not ethnically from India!? Who are you to decide what is derogatory and demeaning? Why don't you ask them if they find the term "Indian" derogatory or demeaning (despite the truth that it is inaccurate as a description could possible be?). Asking someone how they wish to be referred to isn't 'politically correct bullsh1t'!? What it is, is cordial. The way folks who respect one another get along. And yes; it is universal...
Because the goalposts keep moving.
They were Indians, and no one took offense. The only offense was with the adjectives that often accompanied the name.
Some PC SJW decided they needed a new designation.
Then they became Natives, because apparently they were born here but none of the rest of us were.
Not sure what happened to that one, but apparently the PC SJWs didn't like that.
Then they became Aborigines for a couple years, until someone pointed out that was a cultural appropriation of a people that actually were the first and only people on their land.
Now wtf are we supposed to call them, First Nations(they aren't) First People (there's a whole bunch of Africans that would suggest they aren't) or Indigenous?
Make up our minds.
Decide on a name, and let's stick with it.

Now, in an article pointing out that one group doesn't have the debating skills to come up with a coherent explanationof what they're actually mad about, just that they're mad at everyone, for everything and the colour of everyone else's skin, they resort to calling everyone racists because they have nothing else.
Now, we have our resident PC SJW starting off with the defending their position

...It appears that something said (or the way it was said) prompted two elders to come to the defense of their junior who was at the podium...
and then jumping to the default "anyone that isn't from my political party is an asshole"

Mike Harris is an a$$hole.
Then implying that everyone that doesn't agree with your position must, of course, be racist.

http://www.sbs.com.au/topics/life/culture/article/2017/02/01/racist-theres-test
To out and out saying that everyone is a racist

...It's a good thing that racism isn't against a criminal law...sure is thick around here. So thick I thought I was on the wrong site. Imagine for a moment if a Native guy was reading half of the bullsh1t written on this page...how would you feel?
Aren't we supposed to call them something else now?
BTW, at least two people with 'native' heritage have read this thread, and one has commented.
Didn't sound like he was on your side of the fence.
And falling back on the 'if I'm not winning the argument, hopefully I can get it shut down..."

...IBTL.
and the inevitable name calling

(sweet jebus the uneducated stupidity here sometimes!)

It's almost like you're working from the SJW Handbook.

Plinker 777
07-01-2017, 09:59 PM
Because the goalposts keep moving.
They were Indians, and no one took offense. The only offense was with the adjectives that often accompanied the name.
Some PC SJW decided they needed a new designation.
Then they became Natives, because apparently they were born here but none of the rest of us were.
Not sure what happened to that one, but apparently the PC SJWs didn't like that.
Then they became Aborigines for a couple years, until someone pointed out that was a cultural appropriation of a people that actually were the first and only people on their land.
Now wtf are we supposed to call them, First Nations(they aren't) First People (there's a whole bunch of Africans that would suggest they aren't) or Indigenous?
Make up our minds.
Decide on a name, and let's stick with it.

Now, in an article pointing out that one group doesn't have the debating skills to come up with a coherent explanationof what they're actually mad about, just that they're mad at everyone, for everything and the colour of everyone else's skin, they resort to calling everyone racists because they have nothing else.
Now, we have our resident PC SJW starting off with the defending their position

and then jumping to the default "anyone that isn't from my political party is an asshole"

Then implying that everyone that doesn't agree with your position must, of course, be racist.

To out and out saying that everyone is a racist
Aren't we supposed to call them something else now?
BTW, at least two people with 'native' heritage have read this thread, and one has commented.
Didn't sound like he was on your side of the fence.
And falling back on the 'if I'm not winning the argument, hopefully I can get it shut down..."

and the inevitable name calling


It's almost like you're working from the SJW Handbook.

I work from many handbooks, you ought to try reading some of them and make up your own mind. Incidentally, and for the record I never mentioned any partisan party...so your assumptions and inferences are all incorrect, and I clearly take exception to them.

https://youtu.be/zJtiH8SvL6k?t=2

Plinker 777
07-01-2017, 10:04 PM
Bahahahahaha!!! Sorry, that's too funny.

You hit like a girl. Now that is funny! ;D

DBenn
07-01-2017, 10:23 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_people

Plinker 777
07-01-2017, 10:31 PM
^:popcorn: Uh, huh. Brace for the visceral rage in 3,2,1,...

DBenn
07-01-2017, 10:45 PM
hahaha I could care less as this is the internet. I came here in 57 from northern UK. I had to fight my way to school because I was considered a foreigner.
It wasn't till movies and the Beatles came online that it eventually stopped. It also help with me removing my British accent.

Being in rural Ontario and loving the fishing and hunting many friends were Mohawk.

Indian designation was created by Hollywood.

Plinker 777
07-01-2017, 11:20 PM
I'm trying to get them to see the errors of their ways/thoughts. Can lead a horse to water, can't make him understand his privilege to humble him to a point where a conversation can be had! ;D

I too have had several Mohawk friends over the years. I wouldn't have even thought to call one of them 'Indian'. These men were not deserving of insult.

firemachine69
07-02-2017, 05:22 AM
I work from many handbooks, you ought to try reading some of them and make up your own mind. Incidentally, and for the record I never mentioned any partisan party...so your assumptions and inferences are all incorrect, and I clearly take exception to them.

https://youtu.be/zJtiH8SvL6k?t=2


A sjw lecturing us how only "its" opinion is right (had to be gender neutral, after all). How fitting.

awndray
07-02-2017, 06:19 AM
You're free to disagree, and by all means use a bull horn to proclaim it if you wish...However, the truth of the matter is they are not 'Indians' as they are not ethnically from India!? Who are you to decide what is derogatory and demeaning? Why don't you ask them if they find the term "Indian" derogatory or demeaning (despite the truth that it is as inaccurate as a description could possible be?). Asking someone how they wish to be referred to isn't 'politically correct bullsh1t'!? What it is, is cordial. The way folks who respect one another get along. And yes; it is universal. (sweet jebus the uneducated stupidity here sometimes!)

My Indian friends call themselves Indian. And they're not "ethnically" from India. They're born right here, on Canadian soil. The various terms we use to describe them are all created by politicians, by people who are trying to be politically correct. Indian, Aboroginal, Native, First Nation, Indigenous, etc.; we've seen it all. Government departments change because of it. Cripes, it's called the Indian Act. Walk the streets if Ottawa and talk to any number of them. They'll tell you themselves that they're Indian.

Doug_M
07-02-2017, 06:45 AM
Being in rural Ontario and loving the fishing and hunting many friends were Mohawk.

Indian designation was created by Hollywood.

That's just your experience in your part of Canada. The country is second largest in the world. The various different Indian nations are, well, different. Sometimes vastly different. And you will find that in some parts of Canada a great many of them call themselves Indian.

I don't think anyone would argue that when Europeans first came to North America and labelled the indigenous peoples Indians it was because they were looking for a western sailing route to the Indies. But that is irrelevant to they many Indians who call themselves Indian.

Now, being a decent human being as most people are, if I referred to someone as an Indian and they said, I prefer "insert term here" then that is what I would use. But I don't need or heed non-Indians telling me or anyone else what to call them. That's just so much arrogance and virtue signaling.

DBenn
07-02-2017, 08:32 AM
But I don't need or heed non-Indians telling me or anyone else what to call them. That's just so much arrogance and virtue signaling.

Oh believe me I wasn't trying to tell you what to call them so don't get your shorts in a knot. I was like you, very ignorant about the history of Native Americans before and after the colonization, by Europeans.

Have a nice day!

BgBlkDg
07-02-2017, 08:52 AM
"North America" was an uncharted wilderness with scattered bands of Neolithic primitives UNTIL the Norse came and their settlements, first, then the "Hanseatic League" and subsequent pioneers created Canada, the USA and Mexico.

The continual improvements in life here are due to, with very few exceptions, peoples from northern and western Europe, and they ended the slavery, genocidal wars and frequent starvation of the primitive inhabitants. While not "perfect" and with a great decline in the past 50 years due to TRUDEAU and his heirs and minions, Canada, is still the BEST nation on Earth and we need to protect OUR culture from foreigners, radical aboriginals and traitors within.

Plinker 777
07-02-2017, 08:58 AM
That's just your experience in your part of Canada. The country is second largest in the world. The various different Indian nations are, well, different. Sometimes vastly different. And you will find that in some parts of Canada a great many of them call themselves Indian.

I don't think anyone would argue that when Europeans first came to North America and labelled the indigenous peoples Indians it was because they were looking for a western sailing route to the Indies. But that is irrelevant to they many Indians who call themselves Indian.

Now, being a decent human being as most people are, if I referred to someone as an Indian and they said, I prefer "insert term here" then that is what I would use. But I don't need or heed non-Indians telling me or anyone else what to call them. That's just so much arrogance and virtue signaling.

Typical visceral reaction, expected reaction, anticipated reaction, can set my watch by it reaction...thank you for being predictable.
http://originalpeople.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Portrait_Gandhi.jpg

I will agree with my own echoed remarks that we ought to ask what First Nations folks want to be referred to as...they'll tell you. And if it's 'Indian' then you can call that person 'Indian' without offending them...but that's not true of all. Blacks refer to Blacks often with a slur that I would never use, even if I was told I could...and that's not because I'm a SJW (as you incorrectly paint me), it's because the slur is a) inaccurate, b) I believe demoralizing, c) disingenuous to the precepts of brotherly love. I have asked that a Black person not refer to another Black person (who was absent) like that in my presents...I received a quite and genuine apology from the person who was name calling!? (I graciously accepted the apology and we became friends) True story.

Truth of the matter: Not all people of African decent came from Nigeria...therefore any reference is inaccurate.(putting aside the hurtful reminders of how their ancestors came to NA and how they were treated once/if they arrived)

Truth of the matter: Not one First Nation person came from India...therefore any reference is inaccurate. (putting aside the hurtful reminders of how our ancestors treated and dealt with a race that was not of their own and who they felt inferior during colonization...even though clearly, some here still feel that way about them with all the racist slurs and inferences flying about.)

reaction in 3,2,1,...

awndray
07-02-2017, 09:01 AM
lol

Plinker 777
07-02-2017, 09:02 AM
"North America" was an uncharted wilderness with scattered bands of Neolithic primitives UNTIL the Norse came and their settlements, first, then the "Hanseatic League" and subsequent pioneers created Canada, the USA and Mexico.

The continual improvements in life here are due to, with very few exceptions, peoples from northern and western Europe, and they ended the slavery, genocidal wars and frequent starvation of the primitive inhabitants. While not "perfect" and with a great decline in the past 50 years due to TRUDEAU and his heirs and minions, Canada, is still the BEST nation on Earth and we need to protect OUR culture from foreigners, radical aboriginals and traitors within.

...AND THAT'S PUTTING IT MILDLY!! On your planet, do you have pineapples? They really are lovely. I can send you some in the mail if your galaxy isn't too far from the milky way if you wish?

Plinker 777
07-02-2017, 09:15 AM
...you'll want to peel them first.

BgBlkDg
07-02-2017, 09:52 AM
Plinker, may I suggest, given your ludicrous pose here as some sort of "educated" person, that you learn basic English as the correct term is "implications flying about" and "inferences" might be derived from such comments.

So, as usual with imbeciles of your sort, you are barely literate and should STFU and learn from we here who actually know how to post facts in correct English.

As to your comment about "planet" that is the sort of bullshit I expect from an a**hole.

Joshua13
07-02-2017, 10:08 AM
...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170702/851808fa6e8e0e22995f3b7ca79fc406.jpg

Sent from my E6560T using Tapatalk

Plinker 777
07-02-2017, 10:23 AM
Plinker, may I suggest, given your ludicrous pose here as some sort of "educated" person, that you learn basic English as the correct term is "implications flying about" and "inferences" might be derived from such comments.

So, as usual with imbeciles of your sort, you are barely literate and should STFU and learn from we here who actually know how to post facts in correct English.

As to your comment about "planet" that is the sort of bullshit I expect from an a**hole.

Uh, your comprehension may be...wanting...to be polite. But, I'll play. Please explain as to how I have erred with the statement "inferences flying about." and rather that it ought to have been "implications flying about."? (he says, as he struggles against the spring pressure of the set trap)

BgBlkDg
07-02-2017, 11:53 AM
Buy a copy of Fowler's "Modern English Usage", OUP and then comment.

Doug_M
07-02-2017, 12:34 PM
Oh believe me I wasn't trying to tell you what to call them so don't get your shorts in a knot. I was like you, very ignorant about the history of Native Americans before and after the colonization, by Europeans.

Have a nice day!

I'm very ignorant am I. Alright then professor. :rolleyes:

FallisCowboy
07-02-2017, 12:44 PM
How about we call 'a spade a spade'.The protesters are.............whiny freeloaders.

ilikemoose
07-02-2017, 02:02 PM
How about we call 'a spade a spade'.The protesters are.............whiny freeloaders.

Indeed.

Those protesters are nobodies...they have no standing in the Native or larger Canadian society.

I believe some of them are from Attawapiskat...the kleptocracy that produced the absurd hunger strike by the Chief Theresa Spence who came off the hunger strike as obese as when she started it. The protest was over how poor living conditions were on her reserve, while she and her spouse were raking in a combined quarter mil in salary from the band.

My point here is that these attention whoring race baiters are nobodies....they have no standing, no power, no legitimate mandate to speak for anyone...and like anyone given unearned and undeserved power and attention they are acting like a holes.

Its a disservice to Natives for the government and media to give these idiots any attention or standing whatsoever.

There are plenty of Natives who are legitimate representatives of the various native bands, and who are capable of sitting at ghe grownup table. Listen to them, not this pack of squaws.

Plinker 777
07-02-2017, 02:15 PM
Buy a copy of Fowler's "Modern English Usage", OUP and then comment.

...no, no. Clearly you have a copy, and have the audacity to to publicly indicate that my misuse of the subject term is indicative of someone who is uneducated...so please doctor, do set me straight. I'm certain I'm not the only waiting to see me publicly pants'd. :popcorn:

BgBlkDg
07-02-2017, 02:31 PM
I don't at present, I gave my last copy to one of my nephews, when he graduated from Trinity Western, here and was accepted for his MA at McMaster, then did his LLD at Osgoode Hall.

My books are in storage as our house is small and we want to sell and move to my hometown of Nelson,. BC, where I used to own an independent bookstore. This was a great situation for a serious reader and I wish I could still buy at *wholesale* as, for example, I paid some $80.00 for one history of the CPR and could not afford the $750.00 for a set of *The Canadian Army in the Second World War*.

Books, are much like guns, the really *good* ones cost a LOT and are often hard to find. I have looked for a copy of Mautz, *The Golden Warrior*, the definitive tome on Harold Godwinson, since I first read it a decade ago and it is impossible to find.

C*est la vie, as our Francophone brethren have it, eh.

Rory McCanuck
07-02-2017, 02:40 PM
... Blacks refer to Blacks often with a slur that I would never use, even if I was told I could...and that's not because I'm a SJW (as you incorrectly paint me), it's because the slur is a) inaccurate, b) I believe demoralizing, c) disingenuous to the precepts of brotherly love...

Truth of the matter: Not all people of African decent came from Nigeria...therefore any reference is inaccurate.(putting aside the hurtful reminders of how their ancestors came to NA and how they were treated once/if they arrived)

Lol, more made up SJW revisionist history; you really shouldn't talk out of your ass about things you have no concept on.
The slur you are referencing comes from the word we use in English, negro, which is just recycling the Spanish and Portuguese word for 'black.'
Derived from the Latin word 'niger'.
Italian, nero; French, noir; Romanian, negru; German, schwarze... wait that doesn't work, but are you detecting a pattern?
There's a rather large country and a rather large river called that, and the Niger river flows from Niger into Nigeria.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Map_of_River_Niger.svg/550px-Map_of_River_Niger.svg.png



Truth of the matter: Not one First Nation person came from India...therefore any reference is inaccurate. (putting aside the hurtful reminders of how our ancestors treated and dealt with a race that was not of their own and who they felt inferior during colonization...even though clearly, some here still feel that way about them with all the racist slurs and inferences flying about.)

reaction in 3,2,1,...
Back to calling us all racists, huh.
Watch out, someday someone might kick that crutch out from under you.


Uh, your comprehension may be...wanting...to be polite. But, I'll play. Please explain as to how I have erred with the statement "inferences flying about." and rather that it ought to have been "implications flying about."? (he says, as he struggles against the spring pressure of the set trap)


...no, no. Clearly you have a copy, and have the audacity to to publicly indicate that my misuse of the subject term is indicative of someone who is uneducated...so please doctor, do set me straight. I'm certain I'm not the only waiting to see me publicly pants'd. :popcorn:

While not a doctor, and I don't pay one on tv, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn last night, but I'll give it a shot.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/imply
: to express indirectly ** his silence implied consent

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/infer
to derive as a conclusion from facts or premises ** we see smoke and infer fire —

Plinker 777
07-02-2017, 03:02 PM
I don't at present, I gave my last copy to one of my nephews, when he graduated from Trinity Western, here and was accepted for his MA at McMaster, then did his LLD at Osgoode Hall.

My books are in storage as our house is small and we want to sell and move to my hometown of Nelson,. BC, where I used to own an independent bookstore. This was a great situation for a serious reader and I wish I could still buy at *wholesale* as, for example, I paid some $80.00 for one history of the CPR and could not afford the $750.00 for a set of *The Canadian Army in the Second World War*.

Books, are much like guns, the really *good* ones cost a LOT and are often hard to find. I have looked for a copy of Mautz, *The Golden Warrior*, the definitive tome on Harold Godwinson, since I first read it a decade ago and it is impossible to find.

C*est la vie, as our Francophone brethren have it, eh.

So, lets unpack this:
-you incorrectly wished to correct my usage of "inference".
-I asked for you to back up what you state your correction is, and you tell me to buy a dictionary...(the inference being I'm to research my own answer to a position you were taking ):rolleyes:
-As you referenced a specific tome, I ask you to provide me with the still unanswered question of where you're coming from from this aforementioned reference material.
-you tell me you gave your copy of this tome to a relative who is going to Law school. Not very helpful. I'll disregard the comment about book stores, petite bourgeois ownership's and such is life comments, they add nothing :FP2

Plinker 777
07-02-2017, 03:08 PM
Lol, more made up SJW revisionist history; you really shouldn't talk out of your ass about things you have no concept on.
The slur you are referencing comes from the word we use in English, negro, which is just recycling the Spanish and Portuguese word for 'black.'
Derived from the Latin word 'niger'.
Italian, nero; French, noir; Romanian, negru; German, schwarze... wait that doesn't work, but are you detecting a pattern?
There's a rather large country and a rather large river called that, and the Niger river flows from Niger into Nigeria.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Map_of_River_Niger.svg/550px-Map_of_River_Niger.svg.png


Back to calling us all racists, huh.
Watch out, someday someone might kick that crutch out from under you.





While not a doctor, and I don't pay one on tv, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn last night, but I'll give it a shot.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/imply
: to express indirectly ** his silence implied consent

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/infer
to derive as a conclusion from facts or premises ** we see smoke and infer fire —

Congratulations, you can google, copy and paste from a dictionary...bravo!! Next week we'll move to Microsoft word document templates. (exhale).https://media.giphy.com/media/dOJt6XZlQw8qQ/giphy.gif

The question isn't yours to answer, but I'll agree that BgBlkDg does appear to need help. So, if you would be so kind as to point out how I err'd in my usage of the word 'inference'. Context of my original text will be helpful to you gentlemen.

Also, know that despite what you have accused me of being, I'm not an a$$hole...I'll gladly accept your apologies when/if you chose to offer them up.

Your comments on Spanish, Latin and rivers in Africa are so imbecilic they aren't worth addressing. I just didn't want you to think that I'm not digesting everything you type. I am.

Dewey Cox
07-02-2017, 03:12 PM
Go outside for a while you guys.
Shoot some guns.

Plinker 777
07-02-2017, 03:18 PM
Go outside for a while you guys.
Shoot some guns.

;D 1 more hour. waiting for the yokels to clear out of the range.

Dewey Cox
07-02-2017, 03:22 PM
;D 1 more hour. waiting for the yokels to clear out of the range.

I'm sure the yokels appreciate it.

Forbes/Hutton
07-02-2017, 03:29 PM
I'm sure the yokels appreciate it.

http://www.suzannestengl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/2014-12-16-laughter.jpg

lone-wolf
07-02-2017, 03:44 PM
:popcorn:

Swampdonkey
07-02-2017, 03:57 PM
:popcorn:

Are you practicing your infraction delivery?

Donny Fenn
07-02-2017, 04:21 PM
Guys please quit quoting dinker777 he's on my ignore list and the forum is better that way.

BgBlkDg
07-02-2017, 04:25 PM
Plinker, I was TRYING to be polite, non-confrontational and offer a well-regarded source, which is NOT, "a dictionary".

In any event, your original usage had the two terms confused as is so often the case and your silly pose here motivated my response.

AS to "petit", etc. and your calling other shooters "yokels":, I will just say that this demonstrates exactly what some here are trying to tell you.

It seems that you enjoy silly contests of seeking attention as a middle school kid would and are in need of a good asskicking.

glockfan
07-02-2017, 04:29 PM
arrgh...guys!! don't you all think that the tone of the conversation should go down 1 octave or 2?

BgBlkDg
07-02-2017, 04:30 PM
Typical visceral reaction, expected reaction, anticipated reaction, can set my watch by it reaction...thank you for being predictable.
http://originalpeople.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Portrait_Gandhi.jpg

I will agree with my own echoed remarks that we ought to ask what First Nations folks want to be referred to as...they'll tell you. And if it's 'Indian' then you can call that person 'Indian' without offending them...but that's not true of all. Blacks refer to Blacks often with a slur that I would never use, even if I was told I could...and that's not because I'm a SJW (as you incorrectly paint me), it's because the slur is a) inaccurate, b) I believe demoralizing, c) disingenuous to the precepts of brotherly love. I have asked that a Black person not refer to another Black person (who was absent) like that in my presents...I received a quite and genuine apology from the person who was name calling!? (I graciously accepted the apology and we became friends) True story.

Truth of the matter: Not all people of African decent came from Nigeria...therefore any reference is inaccurate.(putting aside the hurtful reminders of how their ancestors came to NA and how they were treated once/if they arrived)

Truth of the matter: Not one First Nation person came from India...therefore any reference is inaccurate. (putting aside the hurtful reminders of how our ancestors treated and dealt with a race that was not of their own and who they felt inferior during colonization...even though clearly, some here still feel that way about them with all the racist slurs and inferences flying about.)

reaction in 3,2,1,...


WHOM not "who they felt inferior" and IMPLICATIONS not "inferences flying about.

An "inference" is an individual, subjective feeling from an external stimulus which can hardly "fly" anywhere.

So, do you actually own a gun or shoot at all?

BgBlkDg
07-02-2017, 04:31 PM
arrgh...guys!! don't you all think that the tone of the conversation should go down 1 octave or 2?

Yes, I am done and hope Plinker, will move on to other topics.

ESnel
07-02-2017, 04:53 PM
http://i2.wp.com/www.betterfunner.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/planes-trains-automobiles-meme-6.jpg?resize=590%2C392

Doug_M
07-02-2017, 07:33 PM
Where's you hand?

Plinker 777
07-02-2017, 07:49 PM
Guys please quit quoting dinker777 he's on my ignore list and the forum is better that way.

Reciprocated.

Plinker 777
07-02-2017, 07:59 PM
Plinker, I was TRYING to be polite, non-confrontational and offer a well-regarded source, which is NOT, "a dictionary".

In any event, your original usage had the two terms confused as is so often the case and your silly pose here motivated my response.

AS to "petit", etc. and your calling other shooters "yokels":, I will just say that this demonstrates exactly what some here are trying to tell you.

It seems that you enjoy silly contests of seeking attention as a middle school kid would and are in need of a good asskicking.

Bold a) It's you who are confused, as I never used two terms. I used one, and it was you stated who it was incorrect...which; in of itself, has now all but been determined to be incorrect. Your abysmal attempts of distraction speak directly to your character. I had stated I was willing to accept an apology and none is forthcoming. Your character, like your comprehension, is wanting.

Bold b) While we're talking about inferences flying about. (that is what we're talking about in the event you need to catch up)...are you threatening me? Or, like an adolescent loosing at a game of chess, are you just lashing out of frustration? Until you clarify, I'll assume the latter.

Plinker 777
07-02-2017, 08:09 PM
WHOM not "who they felt inferior" and IMPLICATIONS not "inferences flying about.

An "inference" is an individual, subjective feeling from an external stimulus which can hardly "fly" anywhere.

So, do you actually own a gun or shoot at all?

Uh, no.
https://www.paperrater.com/grammar/confused_words/quiz/imply_infer ;D

DBenn
07-02-2017, 08:25 PM
ROTFLMFAO!

BgBlkDg
07-02-2017, 08:38 PM
Bold a) It's you who are confused, as I never used two terms. I used one, and it was you stated who it was incorrect...which; in of itself, has now all but been determined to be incorrect. Your abysmal attempts of distraction speak directly to your character. I had stated I was willing to accept an apology and none is forthcoming. Your character, like your comprehension, is wanting.

Bold b) While we're talking about inferences flying about. (that is what we're talking about in the event you need to catch up)...are you threatening me? Or, like an adolescent loosing at a game of chess, are you just lashing out of frustration? Until you clarify, I'll assume the latter.


Well, I live in Abbotsford, BC and you seem to be in NB, so, I was not actually "threatening" you and I do NOT threaten people as I am a kindly, gentle and peaceful old soul.

Your comment about my "character" might alter that if you lived here, but, I would probably laugh at you as I do now and simply ignore you.

Sorry, for frightening you, have a nice evening.

BgBlkDg
07-02-2017, 08:40 PM
Guys please quit quoting dinker777 he's on my ignore list and the forum is better that way.

Good point, I will emulate you.

Plinker 777
07-02-2017, 08:54 PM
Well, I live in Abbotsford, BC and you seem to be in NB, so, I was not actually "threatening" you and I do NOT threaten people as I am a kindly, gentle and peaceful old soul.

Your comment about my "character" might alter that if you lived here, but, I would probably laugh at you as I do now and simply ignore you.

Sorry, for frightening you, have a nice evening.

Thanks for the clarification...the latter it is then.

Plinker 777
07-02-2017, 09:02 PM
Good point, I will emulate you.

Again, you're leaving us to infer your implication, but I believe what you mean is that you will emulate Donny Fenn's actions of putting me on his ignore list, rather than emulating Donny Fenn? :FP2

Some assistance?
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/emulate

M1917 Enfield
07-02-2017, 09:54 PM
Typical visceral reaction, expected reaction, anticipated reaction, can set my watch by it reaction...thank you for being predictable.
http://originalpeople.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Portrait_Gandhi.jpg

I will agree with my own echoed remarks that we ought to ask what First Nations folks want to be referred to as...they'll tell you. And if it's 'Indian' then you can call that person 'Indian' without offending them...but that's not true of all. Blacks refer to Blacks often with a slur that I would never use, even if I was told I could...and that's not because I'm a SJW (as you incorrectly paint me), it's because the slur is a) inaccurate, b) I believe demoralizing, c) disingenuous to the precepts of brotherly love. I have asked that a Black person not refer to another Black person (who was absent) like that in my presents...I received a quite and genuine apology from the person who was name calling!? (I graciously accepted the apology and we became friends) True story.

Truth of the matter: Not all people of African decent came from Nigeria...therefore any reference is inaccurate.(putting aside the hurtful reminders of how their ancestors came to NA and how they were treated once/if they arrived)

Truth of the matter: Not one First Nation person came from India...therefore any reference is inaccurate. (putting aside the hurtful reminders of how our ancestors treated and dealt with a race that was not of their own and who they felt inferior during colonization...even though clearly, some here still feel that way about them with all the racist slurs and inferences flying about.)

reaction in 3,2,1,...

Hey Plinker, while others have tried to point this out, and while not trying to stop your funny and very humorous postings (I love your attempted reasoning and replies) I think you may be confused as to why African Americans are called Negro's or the slang terminology for negro. So for your and others here reading this thread who may wonder about the background history I will elaborate further.

The word Negro does not come from or insinuate those first called it as coming from Nigeria or anywhere thereabout.

The word Negro only means the colour black in Spanish and Portuguese and out of co-incidence, the the Niger river and the country of Niger and Nigeria which the river flows through were named after this river in Africa and not because the inhabitants happened to be black or "Negro" skinned.

The term denoted one of three purported major races of humankind (Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid). The root term Caucasian has also often been used in a different, societal context as a synonym for "white" or "of European ancestry". It's use (Negro) is no different than when calling a white skinned person a Caucasian

"Around 1442, the Portuguese first arrived in Southern Africa while trying to find a sea route to India.[citation needed] The term negro, literally meaning 'black', was used by the Spanish and Portuguese as a simple description to refer to the Bantu peoples that they encountered. Negro denotes "black" in Spanish and Portuguese, derived from the Latin word niger, meaning black, which itself is probably from a Proto-Indo-European root *nekw-, "to be dark", akin to *nokw-, night. "Negro" was also used of the peoples of West Africa in old maps labelled Negroland, an area stretching along the Niger River."

From the 18th century to the late 1960s, negro (later capitalized) was considered to be the proper English-language term for people of black African origin.

A specifically female form of the word, negress (sometimes capitalized), was occasionally used. However, like Jewess, it has all but completely fallen from use.

In Italian or Latin, negro (male) and negra (female) were used as neutral term equivalents of "negro" The Dutch word, neger is generally (but not universally) considered to be a neutral one, or at least less negative than zwarte ('black').

In German, Neger was considered to be a neutral term for black people. As for the "N" word, The Oxford English Dictionary traces the first English use to 1577, "the Nigers of Aethiop", translated from the Spanish los negros in Ethiopia. Other early spellings attested include "nigor" and "Nigre"; the first spelling of "nigger" is in 1608. The OED offers as its first definition "Used by people who are not black as a relatively neutral (or occasionally positive) term, with no specifically hostile intent" and notes that early citations "expressing patronizing views, reflect underlying attitudes rather than a hostile use of the word itself".

In the colonial America of 1619, John Rolfe used negars in describing the African slaves shipped to the Virginia colony. Later American English spellings, neger and neggar, prevailed in a northern colony, New York under the Dutch, and in metropolitan Philadelphia's Moravian and Pennsylvania Dutch communities; the African Burial Ground in New York City originally was known by the Dutch name Begraafplaats van de Neger (Cemetery of the Negro); an early occurrence of neger in Rhode Island dates from 1625.

Lexicographer Noah Webster, whose eponymous dictionary did much to solidify the distinctive spelling of American English, suggested the neger spelling in place of negro in 1806. The dialect spoken in the Southern United States changes the pronunciation of negro to nigra.

During the fur trade of the early 1800s to the late 1840s in the Western United States, the word was spelled "niggur", and is often recorded in literature of the time. George Fredrick Ruxton used it in his "mountain man" lexicon, without pejorative connotation. "Niggur" was evidently similar to the modern use of "dude" or "guy".

This passage from Ruxton's Life in the Far West illustrates the word in spoken form—the speaker here referring to himself: "Travler, marm, this niggur's no travler; I ar' a trapper, marm, a mountain-man, wagh!" It was not used as a term exclusively for blacks among mountain men during this period, as Indians, Mexicans, and Frenchmen and Anglos alike could be a "niggur". "The noun slipped back and forth from derogatory to endearing."

Negroid has traditionally been used within physical anthropology to denote one of the three purported races of humankind, alongside Caucasoid and Mongoloid. The suffix -oid means "similar to". "Negroid" as a noun was used to designate a wider or more generalized category than Negro; as an adjective, it qualified a noun as in, for example, "negroid features".

"Negro" was accepted as normal, both as exonym and endonym, until the late 1960s, after the later Civil Rights Movement. One well-known example is the identification by Martin Luther King, Jr. of his own race as "Negro" in his famous "I Have a Dream" speech of 1963.

The constitution of Liberia limits Liberian nationality to Negro people. People of other racial origins, even if they have lived for many years in Liberia, are thus precluded from becoming citizens of the Republic."

labradort
07-03-2017, 10:31 AM
https://youtu.be/2BBOWsWODX4

This is how Star Trek in the 60's dealt with the name that could be offensive.

"We've each learned to be delighted in what we are."

TheHydrant
07-03-2017, 01:39 PM
When I was a kid we could understand:
"Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me."
Today people lose their jobs for saying innocent things like "chink in the armour".


Sent from my LG-H812 using Tapatalk

FallisCowboy
07-03-2017, 03:28 PM
By the way, what was this thread about before the Plinky hijacked it like way too many others?

GotSauer
07-03-2017, 04:37 PM
By the way, what was this thread about before the Plinky hijacked it like way too many others?

It was about the european capitalist wiping out he buffalo.......i think........

Billythreefeathers
07-03-2017, 04:51 PM
Indigenous protesters shut down news conference after objecting to 'white lady's' question

just remember this;

Canadian Aboriginal are among the most racists peoples to be found anywhere

glockfan
07-03-2017, 05:00 PM
just remember this;

Canadian Aboriginal are among the most racists peoples to be found anywhere

true to some extend.....they hate the white man in general, are kind of suspicious of every breed of invaders
( islamists on our ground would get destroyed the minute they would try to push their crapp in indians's throat ) .

since they believes they've been historically scam'ed by the white man, they hate our breed understandably.

Plinker 777
07-03-2017, 05:02 PM
...

Plinker 777
07-03-2017, 05:04 PM
Indigenous protesters shut down news conference after objecting to 'white lady's' question

just remember this;

Canadian Aboriginal are among the most racists peoples to be found anywhere

Perhaps, but they are clearly not the only Canadian racists. :popcorn:

firemachine69
07-03-2017, 05:35 PM
Perhaps, but they are clearly not the only Canadian racists. :popcorn:


The problem myself and many others continue to have is that far too many natives refuse to accept they "lost". They're like that kid in class that pushes and shoves during lessons because he's still bitter about the tag game he lost on the playground last recess.

Other identifiable group with the same issue: French people. And I say that as a French person myself.

wolver
07-03-2017, 05:40 PM
Canadian Aboriginal are among the most racists peoples to be found anywhere

I'd be a little pissed too, if someone stole my land and way of life.

lone-wolf
07-03-2017, 05:43 PM
They got lots of land to continue practicing their way of life

Doug_M
07-03-2017, 05:47 PM
I said it before, the real issue is the Indian Act. Scrap it. Indians as individuals have less rights than other Canadians under that act. The only ones who benefit from it are the elite chiefs and their cronies. There are some successful bands but most are abject failures and the Indian Act is to blame.

Billythreefeathers
07-03-2017, 05:53 PM
I'd be a little pissed too, if someone stole my land and way of life.

the land was never Stole,,, it was traded for,, see all copies of every treaty signed between the British and the Indians of Canada.

Made a bad trade, too bad, blame your ancestors and move on like the rest of us

wolver
07-03-2017, 06:03 PM
the land was never Stole,,, it was traded for,, see all copies of every treaty signed between the British and the Indians of Canada.

Made a bad trade, too bad, blame your ancestors and move on like the rest of us

Yep, first we "traded" it from the Indians, now we're giving it to the New Canadians, without so much as a treaty. What goes around, comes around, eh. Glad I'm in my twilight years.;)

triq
07-03-2017, 06:12 PM
I said it before, the real issue is the Indian Act. Scrap it. Indians as individuals have less rights than other Canadians under that act. The only ones who benefit from it are the elite chiefs and their cronies. There are some successful bands but most are abject failures and the Indian Act is to blame.

Really. Do you get to not pay tax on purchases only because you have an address on a reserve?

Rory McCanuck
07-03-2017, 06:15 PM
Perhaps, but they are clearly not the only Canadian racists. :popcorn:

Yeah, yeah, we're all a bunch of inbred hick racists :rolleyes: Still running with that, huh?

Plinker 777
07-03-2017, 06:32 PM
Yeah, yeah, we're all a bunch of inbred hick racists :rolleyes: Still running with that, huh?

Well, the statement was general. I wasn't pointing fingers, but if the coat fits...feel free to wear it?

hawk-i
07-03-2017, 06:41 PM
Well, the statement was general. I wasn't pointing fingers, but if the coat fits...feel free to wear it?

How you're not banned yet is beyond me!

firemachine69
07-03-2017, 06:47 PM
How you're not banned yet is beyond me!



He entertains us, and is a pretty solid reminder of the marxist disease that exists out there.

Swampdonkey
07-03-2017, 07:24 PM
How you're not banned yet is beyond me!

I think there a conscious effort to keep GOC a free place.

Doug_M
07-03-2017, 07:33 PM
Really. Do you get to not pay tax on purchases only because you have an address on a reserve?

If you think not paying taxes means they have more rights than Canadians you need to look deeper into it. Own your own home? There's not a single Indian on a reserve that does, the Indian Act prevents it.

lone-wolf
07-03-2017, 07:36 PM
If you think not paying taxes means they have more rights than Canadians you need to look deeper into it. Own your own home? There's not a single Indian on a reserve that does, the Indian Act prevents it.

Well, we only own our own homes as long as we pay the rent to the crown for it. Or they decide they need it more.

Plinker 777
07-03-2017, 07:37 PM
How you're not banned yet is beyond me!

Patience young Padawan. All things in due time. ;D

Doug_M
07-03-2017, 07:43 PM
Well, we only own our own homes as long as we pay the rent to the crown for it. Or they decide they need it more.

Nonetheless you can own property (providing you pay your property taxes). They can't (on a reserve).

M1917 Enfield
07-03-2017, 08:01 PM
How you're not banned yet is beyond me!

He has his right to his opinions and we should not entertain banning people just because they have differing opinions or are a little brash!

RangeBob
07-03-2017, 08:07 PM
Psychologists have shown that when people associate almost exclusively with those that agree with them they suffer from Group Think and Confirmation Bias, and lose their ability to see events clearly.
-- Andrew Klaven, http://www.gunownersofcanada.ca/showthread.php?40795-Andrew-Klavan-What-is-fake-news

wolver
07-03-2017, 08:08 PM
How you're not banned yet is beyond me!

People on a gun site should be the last ones to promote "banning".

RangeBob
07-03-2017, 08:17 PM
7 March 2017
A student union was ranked as being very intolerant and anti-free speech.
Lincoln University’s Conservative Society challenged the student union about that ranking.
The student union's response was to ban the university Conservative society from using its social media accounts - because they challenged its position on free speech.
There's some irony of banning a society for expressing their concern about free speech.
Lincoln University is the home to one of the original Magna Cartas, the foundation stone of freedom the world over.
-- from-ish http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/03/07/student-union-bans-conservative-society-speaking-challenged/

lone-wolf
07-03-2017, 08:17 PM
If you can post opinions without name calling/baiting other members when called out on your opinion, that'd be great.

http://foododdity.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/bill-lumbergh-office-space.jpg

That'd be a great avatar for someone

DBenn
07-03-2017, 08:54 PM
If you can post opinions without name calling/baiting other members when called out on your opinion, that'd be great.



But the fish bite so easily here.

:popcorn:

6MT
07-03-2017, 09:43 PM
If you think not paying taxes means they have more rights than Canadians you need to look deeper into it. Own your own home? There's not a single Indian on a reserve that does, the Indian Act prevents it.

Yeah, but how many chiefs own their own off reserve. Thanks to federal dollars.

hawk-i
07-03-2017, 10:19 PM
He has his right to his opinions and we should not entertain banning people just because they have differing opinions or are a little brash!

Opinions are fine, being condescending to others not so much so.

Plinker 777
07-03-2017, 10:37 PM
Opinions are fine, being condescending to others not so much so.

...and your remark? Perfectly acceptable? Bruta...what caused you to pick up the stone? (You'll forgive me if I've bruised your sensibilities, it's not my intent to be condescending. It is however my intent from the onset to point out an individuals hypocrisy.)

So if you're going to tell em to shut up, or my opinion isn't as valid as yours, fine. Prove it, or risk looking silly/foolish...many take the position but fail to back it up and then take offence at myself because of their own failings...? I'll never figure it out...what I can bank on is the non-sensible rebuttals in 3,2,1...

hawk-i
07-03-2017, 11:01 PM
...and your remark? Perfectly acceptable? Bruta...what caused you to pick up the stone? (You'll forgive me if I've bruised your sensibilities, it's not my intent to be condescending. It is however my intent from the onset to point out an individuals hypocrisy.)

So if you're going to tell em to shut up, or my opinion isn't as valid as yours, fine. Prove it, or risk looking silly/foolish...many take the position but fail to back it up and then take offence at myself because of their own failings...? I'll never figure it out...what I can bank on is the non-sensible rebuttals in 3,2,1...

It's pretty simple. ...I'll put you and your condescending manors on ignore as others have done and you can reciprocate the move.

BgBlkDg
07-04-2017, 12:47 AM
That is the best approach as responding to his drivel is a waste of time and energy.

Doug_M
07-04-2017, 05:07 AM
Yeah, but how many chiefs own their own off reserve. Thanks to federal dollars.

Yeah, they're the problem. The previous government took steps to make them accountable and this one has reversed that. Books should be open for all to see.

Plinker 777
07-04-2017, 03:57 PM
It's pretty simple. ...I'll put you and your condescending manors on ignore as others have done and you can reciprocate the move.

Okay.

Plinker 777
07-04-2017, 03:59 PM
That is the best approach as responding to his drivel is a waste of time and energy.

Rook 3 to Queen 4...;D

RangeBob
07-04-2017, 04:08 PM
Queen to queen's level 3 !

Plinker 777
07-04-2017, 04:22 PM
Some here have stated at nausea of how wrong I am...turns out the CF agrees with me. I'm ok with that.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/proud-boys-canadian-military-indigenous-protest-disrupted-1.4189615

soulchaser
07-04-2017, 04:34 PM
Some here have stated at nausea of how wrong I am...turns out the CF agrees with me. I'm ok with that.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/proud-boys-canadian-military-indigenous-protest-disrupted-1.4189615

It's ad nauseam, not at nausea

soulchaser
07-04-2017, 04:35 PM
Queen to queen's level 3 !

NERD.

;)

Wait........ I know where it's from, so that makes me a nerd too.

S--t.

Queen to King's level 1.

Double s--t!

Plinker 777
07-04-2017, 04:52 PM
It's ad nauseam, not at nausea

touche...tired. long day.

Rory McCanuck
07-04-2017, 05:08 PM
Some here have stated at nausea of how wrong I am...turns out the CF agrees with me. I'm ok with that.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/proud-boys-canadian-military-indigenous-protest-disrupted-1.4189615

Lol, so the gov't's Ministry of Truth runs an article about the gov't's political sposkesman apologising for off-duty gov't emplyees' behaviour for telling a bunch of people that live off the gov't's teat that they were being ridiculous.

Were these snowflakes the same ones that were protesting something a dead guy did 268 years ago?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/cornwallis-protest-chief-grizzly-mama-canada-day-1.4187445
Wah.
The British did the same thing to my ancestors four years earlier, does that mean I get to put on goth make-up, chop off my hair, make a scene and scream at anyone that tells me I look like a git?

Doug_M
07-04-2017, 05:12 PM
turns out the CF agrees with me.

Agrees with you about what exactly?

Plinker 777
07-04-2017, 05:30 PM
Lol, so the gov't's Ministry of Truth runs an article about the gov't's political sposkesman apologising for off-duty gov't emplyees' behaviour for telling a bunch of people that live off the gov't's teat that they were being ridiculous.

Were these snowflakes the same ones that were protesting something a dead guy did 268 years ago?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/cornwallis-protest-chief-grizzly-mama-canada-day-1.4187445
Wah.
The British did the same thing to my ancestors four years earlier, does that mean I get to put on goth make-up, chop off my hair, make a scene and scream at anyone that tells me I look like a git?

So long as you're not hurting anyone...yes. The answer to your question is yes, affirmative...it means precisely that.

Plinker 777
07-04-2017, 05:37 PM
Agrees with you about what exactly?@ Doug M:


Mike Harris is an a$$hole.

The Canadian Forces spokes person echoed my earlier sentiments?

Coke
07-04-2017, 09:01 PM
People on a gun site should be the last ones to promote "banning".

That's what the "ignore" feature is for !!!

Plinker 777
07-04-2017, 09:36 PM
That's what the "ignore" feature is for !!!

Ha! Agreed!

M1917 Enfield
07-04-2017, 09:43 PM
That's what the "ignore" feature is for !!!

I tried the "ignore" feature with my wife, but it did not help, in fact it made things worse!

hawk-i
07-04-2017, 09:49 PM
I tried the "ignore" feature with my wife, but it did not help, in fact it made things worse!

That's what a girlfriend is for!

ilikemoose
07-06-2017, 12:39 AM
On the topic of Indian protests, I just want to talk about the Halifax, Proud Boys vs Indians thing that has captured the national spotlight...probably so the CBC can try and fake some news about hate groups infiltrating the Canadian Forces.

If Canadian media was legit, this would have been looked into, but since they are Liberal Party shills who are the voice of the Laurentian Elite this is the only place this will be addressed.

First of all, I want to address the issue that the Proud Boys disrupted an indigenous "ceremony".

This is a lie...they disrupted a protest...a protest which was in and of its self a disruption of Canada Day celebrations by Micmacs who felt that Canada Day was something they needed to protest.

Now the Micmacs have every right to protest Canada Day, but just because they are Indians does not make this a "ceremony"...as if every time a collection of Indians gathers its imbued with some kind of deep, spiritual meaning by virtue of the gathering being "indigenous"...by this logic BINGO night is a "ceremony". The lamestream media can take that "mystic indian" crap and eff right off.

Then there is "Chief Grizzly Mamma".

Chief is a title...it implies position, influence, rank....if I claim to be Chief, or Mayor, or Premier, or Supreme Pope then I am claiming rank and status....Chief Grizzly Mamma is Chief of what exactly?

And speaking of Chief Grizzly Mamma...I have serious reservations about that name...I have run into prairie Indians with traditional names like that, but never a Micmac. This makes me doubt the very existence of Chief Grizzly Mamma, who is the center of this so called "ceremony".

So lets be clear...the Proud Boys counter protested a protest led by a made up Chief....and the media lost its mind..

And since the liberal media doxxed the Proud Boys and found out some of them were Canadian Forces, the CF leadership has shown its self to be a collection of limp wristed sodomites by tripping over themselves in an orgy of virtue signaling where Admirals and Generals are abasing themselves in a race to disavow the off duty antics of their men, instead of profoundly thanking any poor bastard patriotic enough to go to sea in Canada's absurdly obsolete ships for less than most towns pay a dog catcher.

My apologies to anyone who has not been following this story, and has no idea what the hell I am talking about.

awndray
07-06-2017, 03:52 AM
Uh...its all over the news. The CBC did in fact report it as an Indigenous protest.

labradort
07-06-2017, 04:28 AM
[/B]

So long as you're not hurting anyone...yes. The answer to your question is yes, affirmative...it means precisely that.

I think Rory's point wasn't whether he could legally do the same actions for another historical reason, but whether it would get the full respect that the mainstream news is putting into this story.

It is similar with the residential schools story. I know there are many differences, but some of the things they complain about happened in schools full of white people as recently as the 60's. The standards then were different than now, so it can't all be genocide/racism. White people had the strap in school. In the forties, I heard white children were sometimes tied to a tree like a dog while the parent went out to work or whatever. That type of daycare today would have your children taken away. On CBC I heard a story about a barber in Ottawa who had a beautiful wife he chained up when he left the house for the day. People knew it, but he was a respected person and no one would push the issue. This was in the 50's. We live in different times and persecuting people outside of their time doesn't make sense.

Doug_M
07-06-2017, 04:39 AM
ilikemoose, your points are addressed in a shocking (shocking because CBC printed it) piece that was on CBC's front page yesterday.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/indigenous-veterans-group-proud-boys-1.4191749

Head of Canada's Indigenous veterans group hopes Proud Boys don't lose their CAF jobs

'They just showed up there with a flag. They didn't beat up on anybody,' Richard Blackwolf says

The head of Canada's national Indigenous veterans organization hopes the Canadian Armed Forces members who confronted activists at an Indigenous ceremony in Halifax can stay in the military even if they were "silly" to engage in such a confrontation.

"The whole military has become politicized, we're living in a politically correct era and they [the CAF members] should have realized that this thing would be a media event," Richard Blackwolf, the national president of the Canadian Aboriginal Veterans and Serving Members Association (CAV), said in an interview with CBC News.

"But, hopefully, it won't affect their overall careers. I mean they just showed up there with a flag. They didn't beat up on anybody, it's not like that."

Blackwolf, a 77-year old Métis who served in the navy for 13 years, said the activists assembled at the statue of Edward Cornwallis in Halifax are "point one percenters" who do not adequately represent the country's Indigenous Peoples.

"I saw several races down there [at the statue], it's just a hodgepodge of activists, they're not productive people at all," Blackwolf said.

Chief Grizzly Mamma, an Indigenous woman originally from B.C., shaved her head on the steps of the statue of the controversial British military officer on Canada Day to symbolize the violence First Nations people faced under colonial rule.

"These point one percenters, they did some silly stuff, because they know what the hot-button issues for the media are. They're the bottom feeders."

Gen. Jonathan Vance, Canada's top general, has taken a different tack and said in a statement to CBC News Tuesday night that "their future in the military is certainly in doubt."

"What happened in Halifax over the weekend is deplorable, and Canadians should rest assured my senior leadership is seized of the matter," Vance said. "The members involved will be removed from training and duties while we conduct an investigation and review the circumstances."

Chief Grizzly Mamma, and a group of some 50 others, were confronted by five men who said the whole affair was "disrespectful" to Cornwallis, the city's founder. These men, who are members of the Proud Boys, a so-called "Western chauvinist" organization that is associated with the far right, were later revealed to be part of the Armed Forces.

The tense but nonviolent confrontation lasted for about 10 minutes, as the men took issue with assertions from organizers that they were interrupting a sacred rite on Mi'kmaq territory.

"This is Canada," one of the men said, his comments captured on a cellphone video posted on social media. "It might have been Mi'kmaq territory."

Rebecca Moore, the woman who organized Canada Day event, and a member of Pictou Landing First Nation in Nova Scotia, said people were praying to their ancestors for lives lost since the beginning of colonization.

After the confrontation, Moore told CBC Nova Scotia she wants the Canadian Armed Forces to acknowledge their operations are on unceded Mi'kmaq lands, urging them to improve education among its members on First Nations issues.

Blackwolf said demonstrations like this one simply give Indigenous people a bad name.

"This Chief Grizzly Mamma ... I mean real Native people don't have names like that," Blackwolf said. "This is just gobbledygook. The [servicemen] were silly enough to go there under those circumstances, they should have known better."

Gavin McInnes, a co-founder of Proud Boys, who has been the source of controversy for inflammatory — and anti-Semitic — remarks, defended the members of his men's club.

"I think we have stabbed our servicemen in the back, we should be ashamed of ourselves," he said in an interview with CBC's Power & Politics. "They didn't do anything ... they tried to have a civil discussion."

He said his group is not restricted to whites, adding two of the CAF members in question actually have Indigenous ancestry, and one of them is gay.

Blackwolf said he hoped the standoff doesn't affect his organization's efforts to drive recruitment among Indigenous youth.

He said a career in the military is very rewarding, and there is a proud history of First Nations, Métis, and Inuit people serving the Armed Forces.

People who identify as Indigenous make up 2.5 per cent of the regular force and primary reserve force.

Daniel Le Bouthillier, a spokesperson for the Canadian Forces, said Indigenous Peoples are "core members of the defence team and deserve to be celebrated as such."

"The defence team works hard to foster a diverse, inclusive organization and will continue these efforts to ensure a respectful, dignified environment for all Canadians," he said in a statement.

gunner065
07-06-2017, 07:04 AM
You beat me too it Doug.

3MTA3
07-06-2017, 10:19 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VelZdp5DEAg
Petition
https://www.therebel.media/save-the-five

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Canadian_Red_Ensign_%281957-1965%29.svg/1200px-Canadian_Red_Ensign_%281957-1965%29.svg.png

RangeBob
07-06-2017, 01:26 PM
NERD.

Is


Kai Wynne (http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Winn_Adami)

of 'ambitious but mostly good' or 'ambitious and mostly bad' character?

awndray
07-12-2017, 10:19 AM
Gavin McInnes

Gavin McInness on Joe Rogan Experience podcast, October 19 2015 (Warning: coarse language): youtube.com/watch?v=frVdO2E5x4Y
Gavin McInness on Joe Rogan Experience podcast, February 22 2017 (Warning: coarse language): youtube.com/watch?v=qm9lfWTGmDY

awndray
07-12-2017, 10:20 AM
Halifax mayor opposes plan to remove Cornwallis statue from park

Tensions over how Halifax honours its contentious founder are growing as a plan to topple the statue of Edward Cornwallis from a downtown park circulates on social media.

A Facebook event called "Removing Cornwallis" invites people to a protest Saturday to "peacefully remove" the large bronze statue from atop a large stone pedestal.

Halifax Mayor Mike Savage spoke out against the plan Tuesday, noting that removing the statue by force is not condoned by the Nova Scotia Assembly of Mi'kmaq Chiefs.

"It is true that many Mi'kmaq people, Indigenous people, and others of all backgrounds disagree with the continued presence of Edward Cornwallis on a pedestal in a public park," he said in a statement. "I understand this position and am committed to a resolution of this situation."

Although Savage said the city will not stand in the way of "legitimate public protest," he said the city will not "condone violent action in the place of real dialogue."

City councillors voted in April to examine the use of Cornwallis's name on municipal property.

An expert panel, which includes Mi'kmaq voices, will weigh in on commemorations of Cornwallis in the city including the statue.

Savage said the panel will "recommend an appropriate way forward for what has become a polarizing issue in this community."

"Removal of the statue and the renaming of the park must be among the considerations for the panel as well as for council," he said.

In 1749, Cornwallis issued an infamous scalping proclamation promising a bounty for the scalp of every Mi'kmaq.

Cornwallis Junior High was renamed in 2011, but the name of the controversial founder of Halifax remains on city parks and streets.

On Canada Day, a group of Armed Forces members disrupted a spiritual event marking the suffering of Indigenous Peoples at the Cornwallis statue.

The men said they were members of the Proud Boys, a self-declared group of "Western Chauvinists."

Nearly 300 people indicated on the Facebook event page that they planned to attend the protest, while about a thousand were interested.

The event page, hosted by Suzanne Patles, said the statue "for too long has been representing genocide" in Mi'kma'ki.

"We are calling on our warriors, protectors, allies, friends and lovers to join us in this historic event," the description said.

Savage suggested there might be ways to reconcile with Indigenous people while commemorating the city's turbulent history.

"Can a park be a place where we reconcile our past with a new way forward in the spirit of reconciliation?" he said. "If Mi'kmaq activists and their supporters take down the Cornwallis statue before we are given an opportunity to co-operatively forge a better way forward, we will set back progress that is already being made."

Last year, after council rejected a bid to discuss updating municipal landmarks bearing Cornwallis's name, the statue was vandalized.

Red paint was found on the statue's base, plaque and nearby stones, with smaller splashes on the statue itself.

However, a year later council voted 15-1 to reopen the simmering Cornwallis debate and study the use of his name on city property.
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/halifax-mayor-opposes-plan-to-remove-cornwallis-statue-from-park-1.3498438

lone-wolf
07-12-2017, 11:09 AM
Time to pull out this classic

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/monuments-of-oppression.jpg

Eddmac
07-12-2017, 11:49 AM
Its a disservice to Natives for the government and media to give these idiots any attention or standing whatsoever.

There are plenty of Natives who are legitimate representatives of the various native bands

Not picking on you ilikemoose, just the term "Native"
What does "Native" mean exactly? "a person born in a specified place or associated with a place by birth, whether subsequently resident there or not."

Therefore all White people (Chinese, Hispanic, Black, or anything bloody else too) that were BORN in Canada are Canadian natives.
So-called aboriginals, or first nations or whatever the hell we are calling them today are no more native than anyone else.

"I was here before you" - me personally, yes you probably were, because I emigrated here from the UK three years ago - my white Canadian neighbour who is 87? no he was born in Canada likely before you were, so he has been longer in Canada than you have.

When I asked a First Nations person what I should call him, do you know what he said?
"Alex"
Good enough for me - I don't care much for labels anyway.

I am seriously bored and pissed off with the fact that as a "White" European that I am somehow responsible for things that happened to someone a long time ago in a different country.
Sorry but I'm not and I don't feel obliged to feel sorry for, or pay for this. If these minorities could get over it and integrate (or clear off and live off the land if they want) instead of blaming everyone else for your problems and demanding concessions and payouts, this would be a far more pleasant place to live (and I already love it here - despite Turdeau).

I appreciate that, as with everything it's probably a minority of the minority causing the problems and we should realise this and basically tell them to "go away and stop sponging" - politely of course.