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Billythreefeathers
07-21-2017, 09:45 AM
Hawaii prepares for possible North Korea missile attack


http://globalnews.ca/news/3614590/hawaii-north-korea-missile-attack/

In the wake of North Korea’s ongoing ballistic missile tests, Hawaii is starting an education campaign aimed to teach residents and visitors what to do during an attack.

On Friday, the Hawaii Emergency Management System will unveil the full campaign, which emphasizes steps to be taken on short notice of a missile attack, according to the Honolulu Star Adviser.

The agency said the North Korea threat is “currently assessed to be low,” according to Hawaii News Now.

“We need to tell the public what the state is doing,” Vern Miyagi, administrator of the emergency management agency, told the news station “We do not want to cause any undue stress for the public; however, we have a responsibility to plan for all hazards.”


In April, the Hawaii Emergency Management Agency posted “what to do in case of a nuclear attack” to its website. It said although the chances of a nuclear attack are small, “with the unpredictable leadership of North Korea, Hawaii needs to take steps to prepare just in case.”

The plan includes evacuation drills for school students and announcements that say “get inside, stay inside, and stay tuned,” according to the Honolulu Star Adviser.

Earlier this month, North Korea tested an ICBM missile with a range of anywhere from 6,700 to 8,000 kilometres. Experts say an ICBM like the one North Korea launched could reach Alaska and possibly even Hawaii.

Tourism industry not happy

Hawaii’s tourism industry is not happy about the campaign, which it says could scare away tourists.

“Everyone’s safety in Hawaii is always our top priority. We support the efforts of the Hawaii Emergency Management Agency to prepare for any threat to Hawaii’s well-being, be it man-made or a natural disaster,” Charlene Chan with the Hawaii Tourism Authority told the Honolulu Star Adviser.

“However, we also know from speaking to our tourism industry partners that if reports are misinterpreted about the state’s need to prepare for an attack, this could lead to travellers and groups staying away from Hawaii,” she said. “The effect of such a downturn would ultimately be felt by residents who rely on tourism’s success for their livelihood.”

Billythreefeathers
07-21-2017, 09:45 AM
if anything lands even remotely close to any thing with USA stamped on it,,,

RangeBob
07-21-2017, 10:05 AM
Traditionally, the number 1 way to get your cities nuked is to attack Hawaii.

blacksmithden
07-21-2017, 11:06 AM
if anything lands even remotely close to any thing with USA stamped on it,,,

Yep. One Ton Kimmy will quickly find out what a couple of US nuclear carries and a mit full of subs can do. The 64 thousand dollar question is, is Kimmy just puttting on a big show to appear strong and powerful in the eyes of the people, or is he really dumb enough to believe that NK has a chance against the Americans. Nobody really knows.

Canada_Phil
07-21-2017, 11:13 AM
https://youtu.be/KQdl1Fzwf9w

Blast from the past.

:D

50 B.M.G.
07-21-2017, 12:26 PM
I suspect that if anything comes close to Hawaii most of North Korea will be a pretty quiet neighborhood for a few thousand years, but on the bright side real estate values will be at an all time low in NK.

Swampdonkey
07-21-2017, 12:47 PM
I wonder what China would do with that.

Oh, and don't hit Vladivostok.

blacksmithden
07-21-2017, 12:57 PM
I wonder what China would do with that.

Oh, and don't hit Vladivostok.

If it wasnt for China, Im sure he would have had his butt kicked already. Im sure theyre getting tired of him too by now. Likely, the US has already informed them that if Kim attacks, they WILL shoot back. Whats China going to say at this point ? No...youll just have to take it on the chin to humor him ??

Swampdonkey
07-21-2017, 01:00 PM
I relish a western war against China. Communism getting what it deserves. Afterwards we can dispose of our leftover nukes in Mecca.

Billythreefeathers
07-21-2017, 01:50 PM
any possibility China removes Kim il Fatty

linung
07-21-2017, 07:50 PM
Yep. One Ton Kimmy will quickly find out what a couple of US nuclear carries and a mit full of subs can do. The 64 thousand dollar question is, is Kimmy just puttting on a big show to appear strong and powerful in the eyes of the people, or is he really dumb enough to believe that NK has a chance against the Americans. Nobody really knows.

You forget the Korean War.... Then there is the Vietnam War... How about the Gulf War...

Nuclear is not an option. You can't nuke Korea without hitting China. That would be the start of an unprovoked World War.

Coke
07-21-2017, 07:57 PM
How about the Gulf War...

What about The Gulf War?


Nuclear is not an option. You can't nuke Korea without hitting China. That would be the start of an unprovoked World War.

Don't need nukes. We've already seen what MOAB's will do - nothing left but craters of the capital and no fallout.

blacksmithden
07-21-2017, 08:11 PM
What about The Gulf War?



Don't need nukes. We've already seen what MOAB's will do - nothing left but craters of the capital and no fallout.

Exactly. As soon as someone hears nuclear powered aircraft carrier or sub, they instantly forget about conventional weapons. Launching nuclear payloads is far from the only option.

Swampdonkey
07-21-2017, 08:14 PM
China, Russia, or Japan complaining about radioactive pollution would be rich.

Marcel
07-22-2017, 01:03 PM
Fuel up the Buffs!!

762shooter
07-22-2017, 03:43 PM
Yep. One Ton Kimmy will quickly find out what a couple of US nuclear carries and a mit full of subs can do. The 64 thousand dollar question is, is Kimmy just puttting on a big show to appear strong and powerful in the eyes of the people, or is he really dumb enough to believe that NK has a chance against the Americans. Nobody really knows.

A couple of weeks ago I red an article that claimed Kim Jong Il hadn't been seen in public in weeks and that his sister seemed to be running the show. The speculation was that he was in hiding.

762shooter
07-22-2017, 03:46 PM
If it wasnt for China, Im sure he would have had his butt kicked already. Im sure theyre getting tired of him too by now. Likely, the US has already informed them that if Kim attacks, they WILL shoot back. Whats China going to say at this point ? No...youll just have to take it on the chin to humor him ??

IMHO, out of self interest alone, China should mount a covert coup to oust Kim and set up a puppet / transitional government in NK.

Lee Enfield
07-22-2017, 03:56 PM
IMHO, out of self interest alone, China should mount a covert coup to oust Kim and set up a puppet / transitional government in NK.

I am somewhat surprised they haven't done this already. We are so close to a world war and too many are oblivious to realize this.

linung
07-23-2017, 07:01 AM
What about The Gulf War?


They bombed the shit out of Iraq in the Gulf War. It is still mostly a mess. Basically it accomplished nothing.

If anything things are worse and more wide spread.

tdod101
07-23-2017, 08:29 PM
Ironic, the wife and I were just discussing where to go for our anniversary this year, it was either Hawaii or Japan. Either way I won't let some little pencil d1ck dictate (no pun intended) our travel plans. I went to France regardless of terrorist attacks. If you don't travel, they win.

Coke
07-23-2017, 09:46 PM
They bombed the shit out of Iraq in the Gulf War. It is still mostly a mess. Basically it accomplished nothing.

If anything things are worse and more wide spread.

Things are worse because of the politics, not the bombing. The reason it's a mess is the follow through from the government. The bombing helped to stop the enemy and save lives on our side.

I was there, and when you're on the list for a chemical attack, you don't give a crap how many bombs fly at the bad guys - the answer is more...

Swampdonkey
07-23-2017, 10:04 PM
Ironic, the wife and I were just discussing where to go for our anniversary this year, it was either Hawaii or Japan. Either way I won't let some little pencil d1ck dictate (no pun intended) our travel plans. I went to France regardless of terrorist attacks. If you don't travel, they win.

If you don't travel, you can save money to further your life in other ways too. I think of a weeklong vacation overseas as a week I could spend at the range.

Grizz Axxemann
07-23-2017, 11:15 PM
A couple of weeks ago I red an article that claimed Kim Jong Il hadn't been seen in public in weeks and that his sister seemed to be running the show. The speculation was that he was in hiding.

Jong-Il has been dead for years. You mean his fatassed kid Jong-Un, right?

Forbes/Hutton
07-24-2017, 12:33 AM
Jong-Il has been dead for years. You mean his fatassed kid Jong-Un, right?

Whatever. Face like a donut with a tiny nose in the middle and a haircut only a mom could give.

Swingerguy
07-24-2017, 02:28 AM
It's rumoured that Little Kimmie Fats was educated in Switzerland, and if that is to be believed, then he must know that the DPRK doesn't stand a chance to even put up any resistance to the Americans running over them. With that in mind, I think all his sabre rattling is just done so that his poor peasant citizenry thinks he is protecting them from the 'Imperial Agressors' and will then be less likely to revolt. I think he is crazy, but maybe not stupid.?.

tdod101
07-24-2017, 09:22 AM
If you don't travel, you can save money to further your life in other ways too. I think of a weeklong vacation overseas as a week I could spend at the range.

The less time I spend in Ontario, the saner I become.

Swampdonkey
07-24-2017, 11:38 AM
The less time I spend in Ontario, the saner I become.

Fair enough. If you ever want to head west, send me a PM.

linung
07-24-2017, 05:25 PM
Things are worse because of the politics, not the bombing. The reason it's a mess is the follow through from the government. The bombing helped to stop the enemy and save lives on our side.

I was there, and when you're on the list for a chemical attack, you don't give a crap how many bombs fly at the bad guys - the answer is more...

I'd disagree with you, in so much as you couldn't have bombed them more because of the politics. That is what's wrong with the US military. They're basically doing things half assed because of politics. So it is no surprise to me that NK isn't trembling with the prospect of a face off.

I see no good way out of the situation and expect a shit storm. Hopefully it comes later rather than sooner cause I don't have a bolt hole to hide in.

Coke
07-24-2017, 08:35 PM
I'd disagree with you, in so much as you couldn't have bombed them more because of the politics.

Only because you've not been there and experienced it.

Carguy2550
07-24-2017, 08:53 PM
I'd disagree with you, in so much as you couldn't have bombed them more because of the politics. That is what's wrong with the US military. They're basically doing things half assed because of politics. So it is no surprise to me that NK isn't trembling with the prospect of a face off.

I see no good way out of the situation and expect a shit storm. Hopefully it comes later rather than sooner cause I don't have a bolt hole to hide in.

The trouble is that we as a western world don't fight a war with the intent to win anymore (I agree it is because our politics and culture are a failure and turned most of us into pussies.).

When I say win a war I mean the following:

1) Destroy the enemy.
2) Show no mercy when destroying the enemy.
3) Ensure the enemy is completely destroyed - morally, ideologically, militarily, economically.
4) Continue bombing, shelling, and fighting until troops are bored or have had enough target practice.
5) Demand the enemy sign an unconditional surrender document, if not return to step 1.
6) Leave the enemy with the impression that if we have to come back any survivors will write about the aftermath for 2000 years.
7) Get the hell out. Only help rebuild if there is complete remorse on the enemies part.

tdod101
07-24-2017, 09:34 PM
Fair enough. If you ever want to head west, send me a PM.

Thanks but no thanks, I'm more of a diy guy.

lone-wolf
07-24-2017, 09:55 PM
You forget the Korean War.... Then there is the Vietnam War... How about the Gulf War...

Nuclear is not an option. You can't nuke Korea without hitting China. That would be the start of an unprovoked World War.

Nuclear was an option back in the 50s the first time, apparently one of the reasons against it, was they were worried the mountainous terrain would lessen the damage and embolden the russians.
Nuclear weapons have improved a lot and gotten more precise since then.

Can't nuke NK without hitting China? They've already nuke new mexico without hitting america.

I don't advocate a nuclear option.

Billythreefeathers
07-25-2017, 06:28 AM
I don't advocate a nuclear option.

If Kim Jon Fatty Fat is building a Nuclear bomb and testing out rockets to deliver it then it's

'NO HOLDS BARED'

linung
07-25-2017, 05:17 PM
Can't nuke NK without hitting China? They've already nuke new mexico without hitting america.

I don't advocate a nuclear option.

Hitting the target is never an issue.
Trouble is the nuclear fallout. You can't pretend like you didn't know that isn't going to happen. Your strike zone is the probable area of nuclear fall out.

you also don't want to hit the sea or the border somewhere so that the fall out only covers NK. All the people that really needs to get nuked will run away and the bleeding hearts will be on your ass for all the fishes you've kill.



If Kim Jon Fatty Fat is building a Nuclear bomb and testing out rockets to deliver it then it's

'NO HOLDS BARED'

Rest Easy. We are no where close to it. When that is close to a reality, that is when the shit hits the fan. so to speak.

Billythreefeathers
07-25-2017, 05:48 PM
I'm betting on kim jong fatty fat,, just disappearing one dark night and wakes up in a burlap sack under 10 feet of rocks and cow manure

RangeBob
07-29-2017, 09:59 AM
July 29, 2017
North Korea

Kim Jong-Un boasted of North Korea's ability to strike any target in the US after a second ICBM test that weapons experts said Saturday could even bring New York into range -– in a potent challenge to President Donald Trump.

China condemned the test but US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said Beijing and Moscow bore "unique responsibility" for the growing threat posed by the reclusive North.

Under Kim's leadership North Korea has accelerated its drive towards a credible nuclear strike capability, in defiance of international condemnation and multiple sets of UN sanctions.

Kim said the test "is meant to send a grave warning to the US" and demonstrated the North's ability to launch "at any place and time," the official Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) said.

The "leader said proudly the test also confirmed all the US mainland is within our striking range," it said.

Trump denounced the launch as "reckless and dangerous" and rejected Pyongyang's claims that such tests helped ensure its security.

"The United States will take all necessary steps to ensure the security of the American homeland and protect our allies in the region."

Weapons experts said the altitude and flight time of Friday's missile suggested it was significantly more powerful than the July 4 test, with a theoretical range of around 10,000 kilometres (6,200 miles) meaning it might be able to reach east coast US cities like New York, depending on the payload size.

"North Korea seems to have made a logical step forward, as it tries to perfect the technologies to build and field an operationally-viable ICBM that can threaten the mainland United States," said Michael Elleman, missile defence specialist at the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies.

- 'Growing threat' -

Kim Dong-Yub, a defence analyst at the Institute for Far Eastern Studies at Kyungnam University, said the North may have succeeded in miniaturising warheads down to 750 kilograms (1,650 pounds).

"If the missile carries a 750 kg payload, its range could be 10,000 kilometres. Taking into account the Earth's rotation, it means it could reach not only the western cities but New York and Washington as well," he told AFP.

Tillerson said Pyongyang's main ally Beijing, together with Moscow, bore responsibility for the growing threat from Pyongyang.

"As the principal economic enablers of North Korea's nuclear weapon and ballistic missile development programme, China and Russia bear unique and special responsibility for this growing threat to regional and global stability," he said.

Japanese Foreign Minister Fumio Kishida said he held telephone talks with Tillerson and agreed on the need to put "the heaviest possible pressure" on North Korea.

"We confirmed that we will closely cooperate in adopting a fresh UNSC (UN Security Council) resolution, including severe measures, and working on China and Russia," Kishida told reporters.

In a standard response to the test, Beijing urged restraint by all sides, after the US and South Korea conducted a live-fire exercise using surface-to-surface missiles.

The heads of the US and South Korean militaries also discussed "military response options" after North Korea's launch, the Pentagon said.

South Korea said the test had prompted it to speed up deployment of a US missile defence system, despite consistent protests from China that the programme would destabilise the region.

"The THAAD (missile defence) system deployment cannot solve South Korea's security concerns, nor can it solve the problems facing the Korean peninsula," China's ministry of foreign affairs said in a statement Saturday.

North Korea's unrelenting pursuit of its missile and nuclear programmes poses a thorny policy challenge for Trump, who is at loggerheads with Beijing over how to handle Kim's regime.

Trump has repeatedly urged China to rein in its recalcitrant neighbour, but Beijing insists dialogue is the only practical way forward.

- 'Time for Trump to focus' -

Joel Wit, a senior fellow at the US-Korea Institute at Johns Hopkins University and an expert on the North's nuclear weapons programme, said Friday's launch confirmed time was running out for Washington to find a way out of a pressing security crisis.

"Another North Korean test of what appears to be a missile that can reach the United States further emphasises the need for the Trump administration to focus like a laser on this increasingly dangerous situation," Wit said on the institute's 38 North website.

The North's July 4 test triggered global alarm, with experts saying the missile had a theoretical range to reach Alaska.

There remain doubts whether the North can miniaturise a nuclear weapon to fit a missile nose cone, or if it has mastered the technology needed for the projectile to survive re-entry into the Earth's atmosphere.

But since Kim came to power there has been a series of technical advances, including three nuclear tests and a string of missile launches.

In all, six sets of UN sanctions have been imposed on North Korea since it first tested an atomic device in 2006, but two resolutions adopted last year significantly toughened the sanctions regime.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/n-korea-launches-another-ballistic-missile-us-160151910.html

RangeBob
07-29-2017, 09:59 AM
[Iran launches rocket capable of putting 250kg payload into orbit]

Jul 28, 2017
Iran

Iran successfully launched its most advanced satellite-carrying rocket into space, the country’s state media reported on Thursday, in what is likely the most significant step yet for the launch vehicle.

A confirmed launch of the Simorgh rocket would also mark another step forward for the Islamic Republic’s young space program, but is likely to raise alarm among its adversaries, who fear the same technology could be used to produce long-range missiles.

Iranian state television said the rocket, whose name means “phoenix” in Persian, is capable of carrying a satellite weighing 250 kg (550 pounds). The report did not elaborate on the rocket’s payload. Other state-linked agencies including the semi-official Fars news agency also described the launch as successful.

Media reports did not say when the launch took place at the Imam Khomeini National Space Station in Semnan, some 220 km (138 miles) east of Tehran.

Iran frequently announces technological breakthroughs that are difficult to independently verify. It has carried out multiple tests of short- and medium-range ballistic missiles as well as other domestically produced weapons over the years.

The Simorgh is a two-stage rocket first revealed in 2010. It is larger than an earlier model known as the Safir, or “ambassador,” that Iran has used to launch satellites on previous occasions.

The launch comes as the United States has criticized Iran’s ballistic missile tests, which American officials argue violate the spirit of the 2015 nuclear deal that Iran struck with world powers. Under the agreement, which does not expressly prohibit missile tests, Iran agreed to limit its uranium enrichment program in exchange for the lifting of economic sanctions.

Iran has pursued a satellite launch program for years. The U.S. and its allies worry that the same technology could be used to develop long-range missiles.

The country has sent several short-lived satellites into orbit over the past decade, and in 2013 launched a monkey into space. But it recently abandoned plans to potentially send humans into orbit, saying in late May that the cost of doing so was prohibitive.

The U.S. National Air and Space Intelligence Center said in a report released last month that the Simorgh could act as a test bed for developing the technologies needed to produce an intercontinental ballistic missile, or ICBM.

“Tehran’s desire to have a strategic counter to the United States could drive it to field an ICBM. Progress in Iran’s space program could shorten a pathway to an ICBM because space launch vehicles (SLV) use inherently similar technologies,” the report said.

Iran’s satellite-launch program falls under the responsibility of the defense ministry, which has denied that the space program is a cover for weapons development.

The head of Iran’s space agency in October expressed for the first time interest in cooperating with NASA. Iran has offered to share its scientific findings and satellite data with other countries.

Iran’s most recent known successful satellite rocket launch was in February 2015, when it put an imaging satellite known as Fajr into orbit. That launch happened while Iran was negotiating the nuclear deal.

It is believed to have carried out at least a partial test of the Simorgh rocket last year, though the exact details of that attempt were never made public.

Iran choice in timing to launch the rocket now likely serves as a test of America’s reaction, said Behnam Ben Taleblu, a senior Iran analyst with the Washington-based Foundation for Defense of Democracies, a conservative think tank long critical of the nuclear deal.

Taleblu said the launch announced Thursday had implications not only on Iran’s ability to launch satellites, but also in possibly building intercontinental ballistic missiles.

If Iran begins working on heat shields and other technology allowing for a rocket’s payload to re-enter Earth’s atmosphere, that would be a major warning sign, he said.

“This will take time, but the Iranian ballistic missile, nuclear, and space program shows that slow and steady always wins the race,” Taleblu said.

hxxps://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/07/28/world/iran-claims-success-launch-satellite-carrying-rocket-space/

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Iran announces first successful Simorgh SLV launch

28 July 2017
Iran

Iran announced the first official launch of a Simorgh satellite launch vehicle (SLV) took place at the new Imam Khomeini National Space Centre in Semnan province on 27 July.

The Iranian media coverage of the launch did not claim that the SLV was carrying a satellite, but reported that the Simorgh is capable of putting a 250 kg payload into a 500 km low Earth orbit.

Iran did not announce an earlier Simorgh that reportedly took place on 19 April 2016. A US official told the Washington Free Beacon that the test was judged to be partly successful, but the SLV did not reach orbit.

The development of the Simorgh has raising fears that it could be used as a testbed for an intercontinental range ballistic missile (ICBM).

Speaking during a press briefing later on 27 July, US State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert declined to confirm the Iranian claim that a Simorgh had been launched, but said it was a violation of UN Security Council Resolution 2231, which restricts Iran’s ability to develop nuclear weapons and delivery systems.

http://www.janes.com/article/72683/iran-announces-first-successful-simorgh-slv-launch

Malus
07-29-2017, 10:57 AM
Globalist News, reporting on a fake news nothing burger story and everyone is gobbling it up. You know, some say the earth is flat. Lol....

RangeBob
07-29-2017, 02:00 PM
the earth is flat.

Is there a patch kit, or do I have to get a new one?











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