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soulchaser
07-26-2017, 05:20 PM
So, as you know Liberals and their media ass kissers are all over the CPC for Michelle Rempel appearing on Fox News and Peter Kent writing an editorial for the Wall Street Journal shredding Trudeau for paying Khadr $10.5 million.

Domestic issues should remain in Canada was the main talking point, and dips--ts Katherine McKenna and Gerald Butts went off their rockers claiming the CPC's actions could seriously hinder NAFTA renegotiation's.

Enter today:

Some of you may or may not know, President Trump sais transgendered people will no longer be allowed to serve in the US Armed forces.

The official Canadian Forces twitter account was very quick to virtue signal and as US Republican commentator Ana Navarro the CF actually trolled Trumps twitter with the following tweet:

https://twitter.com/ananavarro/status/890314691205050368

Canada is trolling the President of the United States. I suspect most Americans, including me, stand with Canada on this one. ����

Canadian Forces‏Verified account
@CanadianForces

We welcome Cdns of all sexual orientations and gender identities. Join us! #DiversityIsOurStrength #ForcesJobs http://ow.ly/7IVI30dW2xY

ilikemoose
07-26-2017, 05:30 PM
There you go.

If you are a sexually deviant, mentally ill narcissist there is a place for you in the Canadian Forces.

#russellwilliams

Waterloomike
07-26-2017, 06:21 PM
I'm starting to toss the thought around that "diversity" is more about keeping us divided than anything valuable this so called diversity brings to the table.

And that it's intentional.

As long as they make a lot of noise and sell this iron pyrite as gold, it barely matters what anyone else says or thinks or...observes.

We need not look at what they do, but what it does is infinitely more important.

RangeBob
07-26-2017, 07:40 PM
President Trump sais transgendered people will no longer be allowed to serve in the US Armed forces.

680 News (Toronto radio station) said

that the US Military employs 15,000 trans gendered people right now, and that makes it the worlds largest employer of trans gendered people.

that Canada has allowed trans gendered in the military since 2011, and has a policy that if they're undergoing treatment they can't be assigned new duties.

RangeBob
07-26-2017, 08:46 PM
After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military. Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail. Thank you
-- Donald J. Trump; 2017/07/26 9am

Rand study said that supporting transgender increases military costs by $8.4 million dollars. They estimate the number of transgender individuals at between 1,300 and 6,600.



"Thank you?" No one takes away civil rights as politely as Donald Trump
-- Trevor Noah (Daily Show with)

FallisCowboy
07-26-2017, 08:58 PM
I'm starting to toss the thought around that "diversity" is more about keeping us divided than anything valuable this so called diversity brings to the table.

And that it's intentional.

As long as they make a lot of noise and sell this iron pyrite as gold, it barely matters what anyone else says or thinks or...observes.

We need not look at what they do, but what it does is infinitely more important.

The libtarded left has always used control of the definition of the words to control the discussion. What is any different about this? Yes, Libtard speech talks about diversity, but of course it is all about divisiveness; keeping us fighting amongst ourselves. The last thing they want is us getting together and bouncing their stupid asses out forever.

RangeBob
07-26-2017, 09:06 PM
diversity

terms like: social justice, tolerance, multi-culturalism, diversity, immigration reform
sound wonderful that mean absolutely nothing.
When you get down to specific policies then you're talking about something material.
Even folks on the left would not be for tolerating the rise of Hitler. They don't tolerate Conservatives. So tolerance is not an absolute moral value for the Left. Acceptance is not an absolute moral value for the Left.
Multi-culturalism is not an absolute moral value for the left. If you're a Christian you know this already. This is why the supreme court of new mexico is trying to force religious photographers to photograph same sex weddings, in violation of their own religious precepts. The left is not interested in multi-culturalism or diversity, they're about these magical buzzwords that make them feel special and happy inside.
-- paraphrased Ben Shapiro

What the left means by diversity is 'racial diversity'. Racial diversity really shouldn't mean much. A racially diverse criminal gang is more despised than an all black church choir. Values matter significantly more than melanin level. And if you believe the opposite this makes you a racist. Racial diversity doesn't mean anything. Decency means something. Diversity isn't a bad thing, but it isn't a good thing unless the people who are racially diverse are also decent. Diversity isn't a bad thing, unless the people who are racially diverse are indecent. It's not a difficult thing. Diversity isn't our strength. Decency is our strength. Rubert Putnum is the author of a book called "Bowling Alone" a new york times best seller. He's on the left and he used to believe in the mantra 'diversity is our strength', and then he started doing experiments regarding communities, and what he saw was that in diverse communities, racial ethnic diversity, which these days comes along with diversity of fundamental values thanks to the multicultural left, it didn't lead to better and more cohesive and more tolerant communities. He said 'the only two things that go up as diversity census track goes up, are protest marches and television watching.' He concluded that the only way you could actually create social capital, and social capital is the thing that allows you to leave your door unlocked at night and allows your neighbour to babysit your kids, the only thing that leads to that is decency and shared values. The only thing that allows people of diverse backgrounds not to be polarized by tribal identity, to live together and to overcome their tribalism, is decent behaviour. But unfortunately the left only cares about racial diversity. It's a racist philosophy. And they make themselves feel good by saying they stand for racial diversity rather than values. No objective standard of behaviour, just the level of melanin in your skin, or the country that you came from, or the ethnicity of your parents, is what counts.
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The left believes in equality of outcome as what they call fairness. Not fairness of opportunity, meaning lack of government obstacles. Thomas Sowell calls this the quest for cosmic justice.
-- Ben Shapiro, 7>00-9:00, w6iWqsE-fW8

“Decency means something. Diversity isn’t a bad thing, but it isn’t a good thing unless the people who are racially diverse are decent. Diversity isn’t a bad thing unless the people who are racially diverse are indecent. It’s not a difficult thing; diversity isn’t our strength. Decency is our strength.”
-- Ben Shapiro

Diversity of thought. Diversity of race. Diversity of values.
Robert Putnum said in his book that diversity of race without any other driving factor, all it does is create more inter racial conflict and more protest marches.
The exception to this is when we have a common goal in community, which is why we all have social fabric. It's why we all have to agree on basic values. Like freedom of speech. Like basic decency. Like don't knock some girl up and run away. Like don't run off without paying for things. Like paying for my wife is essentially my business, and taking care of your wife is essentially your business. We have to agree on values. If you do that, then racial diversity is a neutral. It doesn't make a difference at all. Because racial diversity once you don't have diversity of deep values who cares what colour your skin is. The problem with diversity is when there is a diversity of value system. Even the left agrees with this by the way. The left by example wouldn't suggest that a community is made richer by a group who come in and suggest that they just get to kill everyone. This is not a community that's been made richer by a diversity of values. Racial diversity correlates with conflict when there is no commonality of values. The solution that I have suggested and the traditional american solution is that we need commonality of values and unity of values and then racial diversity becomes a neutral.
-- Ben Shapiro j7JssO1y7-k 48


Diversity can mean a whole host of things. Some of those things are good. Some of those things are bad.
If you had a dinner party that was comprised of O.J. Simpson, the Manson's, and the Menendez Brothers, that's a diverse dinner party in one way, in another way it's not a very diverse dinner party at all. If you have a dinner party comprised of Mother Teresa, Gloria Steinem, and Phyllis Schlafly, that also would be a diverse dinner party in one way and in another way not at all. Three women with different points of view, or in the first case three murderers with different races.
There are three types of diversity. Diversity of skin color or ethnicity. Diversity of fundamental values. Diversity of viewpoint. Two of these types of diversity are complete wastes of time, and seeking them is wildly destructive. One of these types of diversity is good and useful. Naturally on today's college campuses and Barack Obama's America, the two that are destructive and terrible are held in high regard. The one that is useful and valuable they set on fire and beat to death with a claw hammer.
-- Ben Shapiro, tp7lpN3EhXo 10


Then there is the matter of the prime minister’s “nonpartisan” Senate appointments. This is, to be polite, a con, as is the claim that they represent a glittering “diversity” of backgrounds. They may come in different skin colours and chromosome counts, but their professional backgrounds are almost comically uniform, virtually every one drawn from Liberal client groups in the state sector and activist community, and while they may not be active Liberal partisans, the likelihood that they would pose any obstacle to the Liberals’ agenda is nil.
-- http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/andrew-coyne-cracks-start-to-show-in-trudeau-liberals

Swampdonkey
07-26-2017, 10:26 PM
This shows why we need to conduct a total war on Socialism. There are no rules they abide by.

soulchaser
07-26-2017, 10:28 PM
This apparently all started when some Southern Republicans told Trump his attacks on AG Sessions over the past few days were angering "the base" and they suggested removing health coverage (transition costs) for transgendered soldiers as an olive branch to "the base"

Trump caught everyone offguard with his ban transgendered people from the military tweets.

Camo tung
07-26-2017, 11:06 PM
Why should any branch of Canada's, or the US's military, pay for the medical costs of the reassignment surgeries? IF they want to go that route then its on their own dime.

joe6167
07-26-2017, 11:34 PM
Why should any branch of Canada's, or the US's military, pay for the medical costs of the reassignment surgeries? IF they want to go that route then its on their own dime.

Do provincial health plans cover the cost of these surgeries and treatments? I think these people more then anything just need boatloads of mental help, rather than surgical mutilation and all kinds of messed up drugs.

One of the "guys" at work used to be an Orthodox-Jewish mother of two kids (as in he gave birth to these two kids) and then decided to become a man. Sounds kind of selfish to me, to screw up your kids and your husband. Even the ladies at work are quite sure all the testosterone etc. messes "him" up, and causes him to be an asshole and otherwise unbalanced.

Does that sound like any kind of treatment for any kind of condition?

The trans people that I have encountered, well, what I haven't seen from them is "well, I have this one problem, and a nip, tuck and hormone shot later, I'll be Good To Go." Even after they switch genders etc. I've found them to be REALLY strange people, as far as their behavior and personality go, that you generally don't feel inclined to want to associate with regardless of the whole trans thing (and then of course, you have to put up with the never-ending advocating for trans-rights.)

I was at a prestigious alumni awards ceremony for my university once, and when one of the award winners came up, right away I realized something was off... The person that won this prestigious award started out life as a gay man, who decided to get like $100,000 worth of cosmetic surgery to become a "woman," financed ENTIRELY through working as a prostitute. And of course rather than trying to resemble any kind of human female, this person opted to take a different path.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8065/8244001621_c1aa37cd87_b.jpg

So yeah, my university gives out prestigious awards to prostitutes now... Out F****** Standing!

Swampdonkey
07-27-2017, 12:10 AM
The happiest and most successful people I know are fairly boring. Their lives are normal, conventional, balanced, moderate, and stable. Nothing heroic or extreme, just average jobs with plain families and generic homes. They're the best Canadians, IMO.

Doug_M
07-27-2017, 05:05 AM
What I don't understand is when did "she males" become "trans"? I mean, the former used to be a whole gay porn category. Now it is something we should accept as mainstream?

As for Trump, he is at least partly right. The military shouldn't be paying for transitions. I heard one admiral on the radio yesterday saying the estimated cost (I believe over a decade) would be the equivalent of a new destroyer. Then we can't just brush away the social issues. As much as progressive like to believe we can, we can't. And finally, there are physical differences that no amount of surgery or hormones can make a woman a man nor "reduce" a man to a woman (talking strength). Let's also not forget the statistics on suicide both pre and post transition. 10 times higher than the average pre-transition and higher post-transition. Why on earth would a countries military want to be saddled with all that? It is literally the insanity of the left.

awndray
07-27-2017, 05:44 AM
680 News (Toronto radio station) said

that the US Military employs 15,000 trans gendered people right now, and that makes it the worlds largest employer of trans gendered people.

that Canada has allowed trans gendered in the military since 2011, and has a policy that if they're undergoing treatment they can't be assigned new duties.
According to a RAND study, 680 News is way off with their numbers.

awndray
07-27-2017, 05:49 AM
A retired Navy SEAL Team 6 hero who is transgender had a message for President Donald Trump after he announced the US military would bar transgender people from serving.

"Let's meet face to face and you tell me I'm not worthy," Kristin Beck, a 20-year veteran of the Navy SEALs, told Business Insider on Wednesday. "Transgender doesn't matter. Do your service."

Beck said Trump's abrupt change in policy could negatively affect many currently or wanting to serve in the military. The RAND Corporation estimated in 2016 that there were between 1,320 and 6,630 transgender people serving. Many of them just want to serve their country like everyone else, Beck said.

"Being transgender doesn't affect anyone else," Beck said. "We are liberty's light. If you can't defend that for everyone that's an American citizen, that's not right."

Beck is not just your average service member. Born Christopher Beck, she served for 20 years in the Navy with SEAL Teams 1, 5, and, eventually, the elite 6. She deployed 13 times over two decades, including stints in Bosnia, Iraq, and Afghanistan. She received the Bronze Star award for valor and the Purple Heart for wounds suffered in combat.

"I was defending individual liberty," she said. "I defended for Republicans. I defended for Democrats. I defended for everyone."

In a series of tweets, Trump said the decision was based on the costs of medical services that transgender service members could use. But "the money is negligible," Beck said. "You're talking about .000001% of the military budget.

"They care more about the airplane or the tank than they care about people," Beck said. "They don't care about people. They don't care about human beings."
finance.yahoo.com/news/kristin-beck-transgender-navy-seal-144339198.html

joe6167
07-27-2017, 06:22 AM
But did he switch before or after retiring from the army? It doesn't say, and shows a picture of "him" in uniform.

awndray
07-27-2017, 06:29 AM
Physically, he became a she after the fact. But the point she's trying to make is that she's just as capable post-op as she would have been pre-. Only thing is, that can't be proven.

Doug_M
07-27-2017, 06:30 AM
Beck transitioned AFTER his service.

It is (according to RAND) .006% of the budget and an estimated 14 times greater cost of healthcare per trans soldier than "regular" soldiers.

"Being transgender doesn't affect anyone else" - Wrong Beck, wrong. Chicks with #icks in the barracks, mess decks and hooches affects the woman who are there with you. Where I work there is a she male who uses the gym regularly and is in the womans change room walking around with a swinging #ick. It affects the woman who are exposed to that.

People with bad eye sight don't get to be in the military. People with asthma don't get to be in the military. People with bad feet don't get to be in the military. People with mental health issues don't get to be in the military. People who are handicapped don't get to be in the military. People with down syndrome don't get to be in the military...

joe6167
07-27-2017, 06:35 AM
Beck transitioned AFTER his service.

What a hypocrite he is!


People with bad eye sight don't get to be in the military.

Yep, I got to find that out for myself. Don't know why the army (CF) won't be straight up with you about that when you walk in the door. I had to wait 8 months before I got my rejection letter on those grounds.

awndray
07-27-2017, 06:35 AM
People with bad eye sight don't get to be in the military. People with asthma don't get to be in the military. People with bad feet don't get to be in the military.
False. I know many people in the military who have/had bad eyes. I know two people in the military who have asthma. I have bad feet. I was in the military. (And no, the reason I'm no longer is, is not because of my feet.)

SpenceyHR
07-27-2017, 06:54 AM
Beck transitioned AFTER his service.

It is (according to RAND) .006% of the budget and an estimated 14 times greater cost of healthcare per trans soldier than "regular" soldiers.

"Being transgender doesn't affect anyone else" - Wrong Beck, wrong. Chicks with #icks in the barracks, mess decks and hooches affects the woman who are there with you. Where I work there is a she male who uses the gym regularly and is in the womans change room walking around with a swinging #ick. It affects the woman who are exposed to that.

People with bad eye sight don't get to be in the military. People with asthma don't get to be in the military. People with bad feet don't get to be in the military. People with mental health issues don't get to be in the military. People who are handicapped don't get to be in the military. People with down syndrome don't get to be in the military...

Chicks with d*cks are a myth. They're dudes with boobs.

Doug_M
07-27-2017, 06:55 AM
False. I know many people in the military who have/had bad eyes. I know two people in the military who have asthma. I have bad feet. I was in the military. (And no, the reason I'm no longer is, is not because of my feet.)

Awndray I wasn't being trade specific. Much of what I said is trade dependent and also depends on whether such things are known/discovered/revealed at recruitment. But nonetheless people are routinely disqualified for service in the military (trade dependent) on all those things I said.

Joe6167, I did recruiting (in the early 90s) and we were told we are not allowed to reject anyone. Only through the testing can one be rejected. This is all part of the political correctness bs. A guy comes in in a wheel chair and wants to join. The recruiter should be able to tell him no (politely of course) and send him back out. But instead he must give the fellow an application and start the paperwork so that he can be formally rejected through the process.

Doug_M
07-27-2017, 06:56 AM
Chicks with d*cks are a myth. They're dudes with boobs.

Technically speaking you are correct. But in the vernacular of my youth they were very much the former and in the realm of homosexuality.

soulchaser
07-27-2017, 07:35 AM
Why should any branch of Canada's, or the US's military, pay for the medical costs of the reassignment surgeries? IF they want to go that route then its on their own dime.

Ontario's health plan pays for the surgery.

Not sure if they (WE) pay for the lead up to the surgery - hormone therapy. facial "femininization" surgery, boob job ect, but the actual lop-it-off-o-me is covered.

Personally, I've never served so I don't know what issues if any having trans, gay or lesbian soldiers serving has on "moral" as some against them claim, but they chose to join and serve the country and possibly die defending us so that deserves my respect and thanks.

Doug_M
07-27-2017, 10:40 AM
Personally, I've never served so I don't know what issues if any having trans, gay or lesbian soldiers serving has on "moral" as some against them claim, but they chose to join and serve the country and possibly die defending us so that deserves my respect and thanks.

I doubt many would care if someone post-surgery (so no chicks with d...) joined and could do their job. But on the other hand a woman who "transitioned" into a man isn't a man physiologically. They don't have the strength no matter how much iron the pump. Some may be able to do the job, I dont' know. Are there many woman in Canadian infantry units (reg force) today? Can they really do the job or are they marginal? My personal experience (militia 25 years ago or so) was that they could not do the job, got passed for PC's sake and caused endless problems for those who had to carry them. Not to mention the eventual sexual relations that happens and the wide range of "issues" that causes. In the navy the issues were similar. Woman cannot do the job. Sure there are some jobs on the ship that they can do. But everyone is supposed to be a sailor first. There are lines to haul, heavy triple fenders to lower and raise, fires (simulated or real) to fight. Woman cannot do this. Someone else (a man) always ends up pulling extra to pick up the slack or simply outright do the job for them. Then there's the who sex thing again. Whether its lesbians or hetero. Either way there's that and again all the "issues" that go with it which are compounded by working in close quarters with nowhere to "retreat" to. Plus sometimes women get an easy pass or are picked on by superiors. All in all there shouldn't be women in combat-related trades let alone transgenders. Whoa, Doug! Tell us how you really feel!

joe6167
07-27-2017, 11:29 AM
Joe6167, I did recruiting (in the early 90s) and we were told we are not allowed to reject anyone. Only through the testing can one be rejected. This is all part of the political correctness bs. A guy comes in in a wheel chair and wants to join. The recruiter should be able to tell him no (politely of course) and send him back out. But instead he must give the fellow an application and start the paperwork so that he can be formally rejected through the process.

What an absolute waste of mine and their time and money. You would figure the "smart" thing to do is have the recruitment centre guys weed out the "easy" ones, rather than making people wait 8 months and go through the rest of the process, being told they have a chance to get in, meanwhile they were screwed before they even walked in the door. And of course, I'll bet it would reduce the burden on the medical office in Ottawa as well. Sigh.

If I was slightly more of a prick I would have told them to their face that they had better not ever think of conscripting my butt in the event of Trump invading Canada ;) [This was last summer during the election campaign]

Oh and as added bonus I discovered that the medic that examined me was gay (which was bit awkward in retrospect...). The fact that this big burley white guy had a distinctly Asian last name on his uniform begged looking him up on social media. Turns out that's his husband's last name... what really bugged me were all the "duck face" selfies the guy posted, INCLUDING ones of him in uniform, IN that medical exam room. Don't know how army lets THAT slide...

In hindsight it's probably better I didn't get in, as it's starting to sound like every joke Monty Python ever made about the army is true!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol5Dfs7jqFI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOehDqygaj8

Waterloomike
07-27-2017, 04:37 PM
The libtarded left has always used control of the definition of the words to control the discussion. What is any different about this? Yes, Libtard speech talks about diversity, but of course it is all about divisiveness; keeping us fighting amongst ourselves. The last thing they want is us getting together and bouncing their stupid asses out forever.

I think that's absolutely correct.

I say it slightly different. "If they control the language, they control the argument."

Screw them and their language.