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soulchaser
07-26-2017, 10:34 PM
I'm on mobile so this will take multiple posts to get it all in.....

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2017/07/26/justin-trudeau-had-a-choice-on-khadr-settlement-scheer.html

Justin Trudeau seems to have found a new defence for his choice to make a convicted terrorist one of the wealthiest men in Canada.

After first blaming the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, then the Supreme Court, then the previous government, Trudeau is now saying the Government of Canada could pay now, or it could pay later. Omar Khadr, according to the Liberals, was going to get his millions either way.

The Liberals are deliberately saying things that are not true to hide the fact that this payout was 100 per cent their choice. But the majority of Canadians simply aren’t buying it.

The Supreme Court of Canada never ordered a multimillion dollar payout to Omar Khadr, and in fact never dictated any monetary compensation at all.

soulchaser
07-26-2017, 10:35 PM
The Supreme Court ruled that in very narrow circumstances, Omar Khadr’s rights were violated. Conservatives accept that finding. We accept the extremely important principle that the Charter applies to all Canadians, no matter how heinous the crime.

The inconvenient truth for the Liberals, is that the court left it to the government of the day to determine the appropriate compensation for these violations. A lower-court ruling had indicated that the appropriate remedy for Omar Khadr would be repatriation. In other words, the wrong could be righted by allowing Khadr to serve out the rest of his sentence in Canada.

The previous Conservative government accepted the court finding. Omar Khadr was brought back to Canada and able to enjoy the benefits of the Canadian justice system — the same justice system that has been generous enough to give him his freedom today, while his victims remain dead, wounded, or grieving.

soulchaser
07-26-2017, 10:35 PM
That is all the compensation he deserves. Anything above that is a secondary compensation that goes over and above what any court has ordered.

Yet Justin Trudeau felt it appropriate to turn Khadr into a millionaire, even rushing payment to him as quickly and quietly as possible.

By handing payment to Omar Khadr in secret, Justin Trudeau would surely have understood that Tabitha Speer and her children — the family of Omar Khadr’s victim, Sgt. Christopher Speer — could be denied any access to the compensation.

Justin Trudeau could have taken a stand and fought the Khadr case until the very end. Last week, in his latest desperate attempt at deflecting blame, Trudeau has asked us to believe that he was so worried about spending taxpayers’ money, that he surrendered the legal fight.

soulchaser
07-26-2017, 10:41 PM
For the man who is plunging Canada into massive deficits and borrowing more and more money from future generations of Canadians, this last excuse is almost laughable. Besides, principles are worth fight for.
Conservatives believe in supporting the women and men in uniform who put their lives on the line to keep us safe, not those who target them.
So I understand the vast majority of Canadians who are upset by the prime minister’s decision. I am too. A government I lead would be guided by a set of principles that would have ensured we fought this case to the end.
For Justin Trudeau to suggest this was OK — indeed, to go even further by attempting to dodge any responsibility once he got caught — is not what we need in a prime minister.
Justin Trudeau had a choice. He could have fought this in court. No court decision is ever a given, no matter how many Liberals pretend otherwise.

soulchaser
07-26-2017, 10:41 PM
And when the House of Commons returns in the fall, our Conservative caucus’s first task will be to hold Justin Trudeau accountable for his choice.
He cannot hide from it. That isn’t to say he hasn’t tried.
Trudeau was absent for the Liberal government’s apology to Omar Khadr. He was absent for the announcement of the payout. He has let others in his government do the dirty work, and made himself invisible in the meantime.
Most shockingly, after being forced to explain his decision, Trudeau claimed he speaks for all Canadians when it comes to his secret Khadr payout.
It is typical Liberal arrogance for Trudeau to claim he represents what Canadians think and feel about this issue. He represents the government of Canada, not the core beliefs of its people.
So my question to you is simple.
Do you agree with Trudeau’s secret payout to Omar Khadr? Does Trudeau speak for you?

RangeBob
07-26-2017, 10:43 PM
Opinion, Commentary
by Andrew Scheer (Andrew Scheer is the leader of the Conservative Party of Canada.)
July 26, 2017

The Supreme Court of Canada never ordered a multimillion dollar payout to Omar Khadr, and in fact never dictated any monetary compensation at all.

Justin Trudeau seems to have found a new defence for his choice to make a convicted terrorist a wealthy man.

After first blaming the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, then the Supreme Court, then the previous government, Trudeau is now saying the Government of Canada could pay now, or it could pay later. Omar Khadr, according to the Liberals, was going to get his millions either way.

The Liberals are deliberately saying things that are not true to hide the fact that this payout was 100 per cent their choice. But the majority of Canadians simply aren’t buying it.

The Supreme Court of Canada never ordered a multimillion dollar payout to Omar Khadr, and in fact never dictated any monetary compensation at all.

The Supreme Court ruled that in very narrow circumstances, Omar Khadr’s rights were violated. Conservatives accept that finding. We accept the extremely important principle that the Charter applies to all Canadians, no matter how heinous the crime.

The inconvenient truth for the Liberals, is that the court left it to the government of the day to determine the appropriate compensation for these violations. A lower-court ruling had indicated that the appropriate remedy for Omar Khadr would be repatriation. In other words, the wrong could be righted by allowing Khadr to serve out the rest of his sentence in Canada.


Conservative leader Andrew Scheer writes that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau had a choice to give Omar Khadr, above, a $10.5 million settlement. "He could have fought this in court. No court decision is ever a given, no matter how many Liberals pretend otherwise." (Colin Perkel / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

The previous Conservative government accepted the court finding. Omar Khadr was brought back to Canada and able to enjoy the benefits of the Canadian justice system — the same justice system that has been generous enough to give him his freedom today, while his victims remain dead, wounded, or grieving. That is all the compensation he deserves. Anything above that is a secondary compensation that goes over and above what any court has ordered.

Yet Justin Trudeau felt it appropriate to turn Khadr into a millionaire, even rushing payment to him as quickly and quietly as possible.

By handing payment to Omar Khadr in secret, Justin Trudeau would surely have understood that Tabitha Speer and her children — the family of Omar Khadr’s victim, Sgt. Christopher Speer — could be denied any access to the compensation.

Justin Trudeau could have taken a stand and fought the Khadr case until the very end. Last week, in his latest desperate attempt at deflecting blame, Trudeau has asked us to believe that he was so worried about spending taxpayers’ money, that he surrendered the legal fight.

For the man who is plunging Canada into massive deficits and borrowing more and more money from future generations of Canadians, this last excuse is almost laughable. Besides, principles are worth fight for.

Conservatives believe in supporting the women and men in uniform who put their lives on the line to keep us safe, not those who target them.

So I understand the vast majority of Canadians who are upset by the prime minister’s decision. I am too. A government I lead would be guided by a set of principles that would have ensured we fought this case to the end.

For Justin Trudeau to suggest this was OK — indeed, to go even further by attempting to dodge any responsibility once he got caught — is not what we need in a prime minister.

Justin Trudeau had a choice. He could have fought this in court. No court decision is ever a given, no matter how many Liberals pretend otherwise.

And when the House of Commons returns in the fall, our Conservative caucus’s first task will be to hold Justin Trudeau accountable for his choice.

He cannot hide from it. That isn’t to say he hasn’t tried.

Trudeau was absent for the Liberal government’s apology to Omar Khadr. He was absent for the announcement of the payout. He has let others in his government do the dirty work, and made himself invisible in the meantime.

Most shockingly, after being forced to explain his decision, Trudeau claimed he speaks for all Canadians when it comes to his secret Khadr payout.

It is typical Liberal arrogance for Trudeau to claim he represents what Canadians think and feel about this issue. He represents the government of Canada, not the core beliefs of its people.

So my question to you is simple.

Do you agree with Trudeau’s secret payout to Omar Khadr? Does Trudeau speak for you?

hxxps://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2017/07/26/justin-trudeau-had-a-choice-on-khadr-settlement-scheer.html

Swingerguy
07-27-2017, 12:26 AM
The fact that JT/ shiny pony/ selfie the clown tried to keep this payout a secret until it was done, should be kept in the forefront as a testament to just how transparent and honest this government truly is.

Doug_M
07-27-2017, 04:57 AM
Nice to see it printed in The Star, even if it is opinion and from the leader of the opposition and not an editorial from The Star staff themselves.

speedloader
07-27-2017, 05:39 AM
yep, first question should be when parliament is back in is when will the canadian tax payers be compensated
for this bad decision by the Liberal goverment if it was Duffy they'd be all up in arms and he was trying to pay it back

glockfan
07-27-2017, 07:44 AM
we all know it's the turd personal decision. he's a canadian hater, all his love goes to the one world nation of the UN and the cash he pocket to push it down our
throat ,and the turd hates all the canadians who are against it ,and this scandalous payment done to a fooking terrorist is another drop in the glass of the turd's hate on occident.

i hope canadians will awaken one morning and tell the turd to GFY.

lb1234
07-27-2017, 08:22 AM
Taking this case to court probably would of happened during the next election campaign. Trudeau paid off Khadr to prevent that from happening.

Zinilin
07-27-2017, 11:45 AM
Taking this case to court probably would of happened during the next election campaign. Trudeau paid off Khadr to prevent that from happening.

Yes, airing the facts of how the prior Liberal governments of Chretien and Martin aided and abetted in the rights violations would have further sullied the Liberal brand; while the explanation of how the Conservative government under Harper ensured that the decision of the Supreme Court was quickly and completely implemented would have contradicted the current liberal media's accounts.

Justin Trudeau paid $10,500,000.00 of borrowed (taxpayer) money to a convicted and admitted war criminal so that the Liberal party brand would not be attached to the Liberal parties actions.

Justin Trudeau is a disgrace to all Canadians and a specific insult to all Canadian and American veterans.

Weekend Gunslingers
07-27-2017, 11:55 AM
The thing that completely boggles my mind is how the die hard liberals are STILL defending JT and this decision....

https://flamingbagofpoo.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/inconceivable.jpg

Swingerguy
07-28-2017, 03:50 AM
The number of planets circling distant stars in the universe, and how people can justify defending the current liberal government in general and Justin Trudeau in particular. Just two things that the average intelligent person can not wrap their head around.

RangeBob
07-29-2017, 10:04 AM
[photoshopped]

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/20294458_10212599930926259_813303825531437836_n.jp g?oh=aaaf3256099e4950a81ffb9e6212b4e7&oe=59EED9F0



Khadr's a conservative so I doubt Justin would have him as a candidate..LOL

I once knew a dyed in the wool NDP type who won the lottery and mutated into a staunch Conservative.;)

RangeBob
07-29-2017, 10:07 AM
28 Jul 2017
England

A former Guantanamo Bay detainee and Libyan national, who was paid £1 million in compensation by the UK taxpayer, gave some of the money to teenage jihadists who later died as terrorists in Syria.

Omar Deghayes (pictured, above) paid the money to two of his nephews – Abdullah Deghayes, 18 and Jaffar 17 – to encourage them to attend a Brighton gym behind a mosque where a network of radicalised Muslims met, a serious case review found Thursday.

The review, reported by The Telegraph, also slammed authorities for failing to intervene, after information about the gym was passed to Prevent (the government’s counter-radicalisation scheme), but the officer who received it failed to share it through the correct channels.

In 2010, the government paid £20 million to 17 former British Guantanamo detainees. One beneficiary, Jamal al-Harith, later became a terrorist suicide bomber in Syria.

Another prominent recipient, Moazzam Begg, has since built a career campaigning against anti-Terror laws with the group CAGE, who were criticised by the government for praising Islamic State executioner Jihadi John.

Thursday’s report discloses how the Deghayes brothers “had been paid money as a reward for attending the gym”.

Adding: “The payment was from an extended member of the siblings’ family who had previously been imprisoned, but released without charge”.

Lord Carlile, the former independent reviewer of terrorism legislation, commented: “We need a full investigation into how this money has been spent. We need to look at how this compensation has been used.”

The Deghayes brothers boarded a £59 one-way flight from Luton to Istanbul and travelled to Syria in 2014, and are believed to have been killed just a few months after their arrival.

Abdullah by a sniper while chasing retreating forces in Latakia, on the West coast of Syria, in April 2014 and Jaffar six months later during a close-range firefight amid the ruins of Idlib, in the north.

The boys are also thought to have radicalised a friend, Ibrahim Kamara, who travelled to join them aged 19.

hxxp://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/07/28/former-guantanamo-detainee-gave-taxpayer-compensation-money-to-jihadi-terrorists/

speedloader
07-29-2017, 11:04 AM
^^^^^^^oh so doesn't matter what part of the world they are in
Liberals are still just as stupid as here

Mark-II
07-29-2017, 11:23 AM
The same people who now believe that the charter protects Canadians anywhere in the world, cuz Justin says so, are likely the same folks who get excited when an American brings his CCW across the line and gets detained. Dumb yank! Yer not in Murca!

I guess our charter is more powerful than the bill of rights.

Awesome stuff

soulchaser
07-29-2017, 12:54 PM
Trudeau is willing to go to court to fight Saskatchewan over his carbon tax, but not to fight a lawsuit brought by a convicted terrorist.

speedloader
07-29-2017, 01:30 PM
yeah things that make you go ........how f n stupid can you possibly be

Waterloomike
07-29-2017, 02:54 PM
I'm still wondering about all these rights a confessed and convicted terrorist has.

They send our personal data to a data storage firm in Tennessee, where it's easily compromised or demanded, which is a violation of the privacy act. But i can't even get an ATC out of the pricks or an extra deer tag.

RangeBob
07-29-2017, 03:57 PM
They send our personal data to a data storage firm in Tennessee
What are the details on that?

RangeBob
07-29-2017, 03:59 PM
While googling for RCMP Data Storage Tennessee,
this turned up about problems the RCMP had had with Shared Services Canada last year.
https://www.blueline.ca/uploads/issue/pdf/636/BLNW_2016-03-18.pdf


On October 22, 2014 while the terrorist attack on Parliament Hill was taking place - without consulting the RCMP or understanding the risks involved - SSC increased bandwidth to receive evidence gathered by the public by shutting down the Disaster Recovery site.


Paulson went on to explain how he is compelled to exercise his authority to refuse the Mounties’ participation in the next phase
of Shared Services Canada

Waterloomike
07-29-2017, 04:59 PM
What are the details on that?

Ontario Outdoors card. There was an uproar.

https://www.ipc.on.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Reviewing-the-Licensing-Automation-System-of-the-Ministry-of-Natural-Resources-A-Special-Investigation-Report-PC12-39.pdf

Coke
07-29-2017, 05:55 PM
Ontario Outdoors card. There was an uproar.

https://www.ipc.on.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Reviewing-the-Licensing-Automation-System-of-the-Ministry-of-Natural-Resources-A-Special-Investigation-Report-PC12-39.pdf

Yup. We used to have beautiful outdoors cards, with pictures. Now we have one that looks like a grade 2 student coloured it. And we get these gaudy yellow tags, only 1/4 of it is actually needed and used. And higher prices plus a $2 service "fee" for every transaction. So when you renew your card every 3 years, plus get a 3 yr small game licence, 3 yr sport/conservation fishing licence, put in for your deer tag (with optional antlerless draw), and your spring turkey tag - It was $237 ( or so, i think) plus a $10 service fee (one for each part of the renewal - 5 items times $2). We're getting raped here...

soulchaser
07-29-2017, 06:01 PM
Yup. We used to have beautiful outdoors cards, with pictures. Now we have one that looks like a grade 2 student coloured it. And we get these gaudy yellow tags, only 1/4 of it is actually needed and used. And higher prices plus a $2 service "fee" for every transaction. So when you renew your card every 3 years, plus get a 3 yr small game licence, 3 yr sport/conservation fishing licence, put in for your deer tag (with optional antlerless draw), and your spring turkey tag - It was $237 ( or so, i think) plus a $10 service fee (one for each part of the renewal - 5 items times $2). We're getting raped here...

But hydro rates are down 25%..............

SpenceyHR
07-29-2017, 11:04 PM
[photoshopped]

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That fact that it was a giant check and not a brown paper bag was a dead give away.

Forbes/Hutton
07-30-2017, 01:53 AM
That fact that it was a giant check and not a brown paper bag was a dead give away.

Or that the Prime Moron isn't on his knees...

FallisCowboy
07-30-2017, 10:53 AM
Trudeau is willing to go to court to fight Saskatchewan over his carbon tax, but not to fight a lawsuit brought by a convicted terrorist.

But of course, one is about taking more money from honest, hardworking Canadians and the other is about giving away our money to a confessed, convicted war criminal. All part of reminding the plebes about their place in the greater scheme of Liberal Government.

speedloader
07-30-2017, 12:06 PM
^^^^yes hes a liberal ( a common thief)steal what you can from the working
and use it to kiss his new voter basses ass which are the Muslims

non of it is for the good of canada its all about lining his pockets in the end
and this is no different than any other liberal government
and he gives us the finger while doing it
just like his asshole father had the same Liberal arrogant attitude
thats why I don't understand anybody ever voting for these idiots

Grey_Wolf
07-30-2017, 12:15 PM
^^^^yes hes a liberal ( a common thief)steal what you can from the working
and use it to kiss his new voter basses ass which are the Muslims

non of it is for the good of canada its all about lining his pockets in the end
and this is no different than any other liberal government
and he gives us the finger while doing it
just like his asshole father had the same Liberal arrogant attitude
thats why I don't understand anybody ever voting for these idiots


I don't understand it either. You would think time after time of the same bs that people would figure it out - no? How is it that eastern (mostly) voters can so easily be bought by their own money? The government produces none of it's own, it has to take from you first in order to give it back to you (minus a few dollars for shipping, handling and admin fees). Would it not be better to hang on to more of your own from the start? It's not free money from the government money tree!

firemachine69
07-30-2017, 07:55 PM
I don't understand it either. You would think time after time of the same bs that people would figure it out - no? How is it that eastern (mostly) voters can so easily be bought by their own money? The government produces none of it's own, it has to take from you first in order to give it back to you (minus a few dollars for shipping, handling and admin fees). Would it not be better to hang on to more of your own from the start? It's not free money from the government money tree!


Trick question: Most people in the east are being bought with other people's money, and they're okay with that.

RangeBob
07-30-2017, 08:44 PM
Trick question: Most people in the east are being bought with other people's money, and they're okay with that.

[different definition of 'east' than post #31 I think]

Who's the bigger fool
the fool who's bought with other people's money (middle east), or
the fool who's bought with their own money (The West, particularly Ontario)

RangeBob
09-16-2017, 12:35 AM
The respected mantra is "God. Family. Country."

justin is blowing billions on low priority tasks unsupported by the majority of Canadians, and skipping high priority needs that would be,
and defending them with what can only be called a peculiar morality -- that is evidenced by a soundbite that emotes Christian beliefs until you look deeper into the issues and discover the action is ultimately contrary.

The government's duty is to see to the rights of individuals, including the millions of individuals frightened by terrorism.
The way you do that is to be seen to fight terrorists and those that support them.

Given the money he's blown on useless ventures, given the speaches he's given in favour of useless topics and societally & economically destructive topics,
spending a relatively tiny amount on fighting the Khadr payout would have been an honourable one, even if justin is right that more might have been paid although it's not obvious that it would have been.

But even if justin's assertion were true, even if justin's defence because he was morally wrong he needed to assert an argument in defence had trumping merit in some short term limited scope fiscally responsible way,
if he'd fought it at least some could have stood shoulder with him and said with pride and respect


You're my kind of stupid.
-- Mal, "Heart of Gold"