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RangeBob
07-27-2017, 03:13 PM
Jul 26, 2017
Ottawa, Ontario

Call it the case of the delayed dinghies.

The Canadian military wants to replace its fleet of inflatable landing craft, which is more than a quarter-century old, with 350 new inflatables designed for rapid deployment of up to a dozen infantry or engineers in each boat.

Public Services and Procurement Canada has flubbed the order twice since last year – and will be trying to place an order for a third time later this year.

The first request for competitive bids was issued May 30, 2016, revised that July, and was cancelled soon after "following questions from industry regarding the performance specifications," says a memo to then Public Services Minister Judy Foote.

The department reissued the tender Nov. 23 and attracted four bidders. One of the bids was eliminated because it didn't meet the technical requirements.

On Jan. 27, 2017, the contract went to Zodiac Hurricane Technologies Inc. of Delta, B.C., a leading builder of inflatables, for almost $6.4 million – described as the lowest-cost bid.

But the deal started to deflate almost immediately.

"The department became aware of an irregularity regarding the conduct of the bid evaluation," says the March 23 Foote memo, obtained by CBC News under the Access to Information Act.

Efforts to fix the problem just let more air out of the balloon. The bureaucrats' request for more information from one of the bidders "was unclear" and "contrary to standard process," says the heavily censored document.

The department decided to cancel the deal and start over again – with a new team of bureaucrats.

"The government of Canada will work to cancel the current contract with Zodiac and seek to re-tender for this requirement," says the memo. "Steps will be taken to ensure fairness in the upcoming procurement, including assigning of a new technical and contracting team."

The document says there has been no "operational impact" on the military so far.

A spokesperson for Public Services and Procurement Canada, Jessica Kingsbury, says the third tender will be posted "in the near future."

The bateau boondoggle is the latest in a series of problem military procurements, both big and small, in recent years.

The department cancelled a $55-million, five-year deal with Thales Canada Ltd. in July 2015 for two mobile radar units for Canada's CF-18 fighter jets. The government has never explained the cancellation, and has not yet put the deal out for another tender.

Replacing Canada's fleet of CF-18 fighter jets has been fraught for years, under both Conservative and Liberal governments, with the potential purchase of expensive F-35 Stealth Fighters still a political football.

Navy supply ships, fixed-wing search and rescue planes, and armoured patrol vehicles are among other military procurement projects with significant problems and delays.

But National Defence also points to success stories, including:
- The acquisition of five C-17 heavy-lift transport aircraft.
- 17 Hercules C-130-J tactical transport aircraft.
- 15 new Chinook helicopters.

hxxp://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/zodiac-inflatable-boats-procurement-tender-public-services-national-defence-cancelled-1.4220375

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$6.4 million / 350 new inflatables = $18,285 each.

Some pricing
http://www.defender.com/categoryBoatsMotors.jsp?path=-1%7C215570%7C1794282&id=1794295

Zinilin
07-27-2017, 03:34 PM
Efforts to fix the problem just let more air out of the balloon. The bureaucrats' request for more information from one of the bidders "was unclear" and "contrary to standard process," says the heavily censored document.

So if your preferred winner does not win you ask them a question and then everyone get to re-bid.

I wonder which province the 'one bidder' was from?

762shooter
07-27-2017, 06:24 PM
So if your preferred winner does not win you ask them a question and then everyone get to re-bid.

I wonder which province the 'one bidder' was from?

HM... Let me think about that for a while.......Um, maybe Quebec?

Swampdonkey
07-27-2017, 06:36 PM
It was culturally insensitive. Should be made of birch bark and have a compass pointing to Mecca, with a gender-neutral head.

Canada is a disgrace.

Joshua13
07-27-2017, 11:26 PM
Jul 26, 2017
Ottawa, Ontario

Call it the case of the delayed dinghies.

The Canadian military wants to replace its fleet of inflatable landing craft, which is more than a quarter-century old, with 350 new inflatables designed for rapid deployment of up to a dozen infantry or engineers in each boat.

Public Services and Procurement Canada has flubbed the order twice since last year – and will be trying to place an order for a third time later this year.

The first request for competitive bids was issued May 30, 2016, revised that July, and was cancelled soon after "following questions from industry regarding the performance specifications," says a memo to then Public Services Minister Judy Foote.

The department reissued the tender Nov. 23 and attracted four bidders. One of the bids was eliminated because it didn't meet the technical requirements.

On Jan. 27, 2017, the contract went to Zodiac Hurricane Technologies Inc. of Delta, B.C., a leading builder of inflatables, for almost $6.4 million – described as the lowest-cost bid.

But the deal started to deflate almost immediately.

"The department became aware of an irregularity regarding the conduct of the bid evaluation," says the March 23 Foote memo, obtained by CBC News under the Access to Information Act.

Efforts to fix the problem just let more air out of the balloon. The bureaucrats' request for more information from one of the bidders "was unclear" and "contrary to standard process," says the heavily censored document.

The department decided to cancel the deal and start over again – with a new team of bureaucrats.

"The government of Canada will work to cancel the current contract with Zodiac and seek to re-tender for this requirement," says the memo. "Steps will be taken to ensure fairness in the upcoming procurement, including assigning of a new technical and contracting team."

The document says there has been no "operational impact" on the military so far.

A spokesperson for Public Services and Procurement Canada, Jessica Kingsbury, says the third tender will be posted "in the near future."

The bateau boondoggle is the latest in a series of problem military procurements, both big and small, in recent years.

The department cancelled a $55-million, five-year deal with Thales Canada Ltd. in July 2015 for two mobile radar units for Canada's CF-18 fighter jets. The government has never explained the cancellation, and has not yet put the deal out for another tender.

Replacing Canada's fleet of CF-18 fighter jets has been fraught for years, under both Conservative and Liberal governments, with the potential purchase of expensive F-35 Stealth Fighters still a political football.

Navy supply ships, fixed-wing search and rescue planes, and armoured patrol vehicles are among other military procurement projects with significant problems and delays.

But National Defence also points to success stories, including:
- The acquisition of five C-17 heavy-lift transport aircraft.
- 17 Hercules C-130-J tactical transport aircraft.
- 15 new Chinook helicopters.

hxxp://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/zodiac-inflatable-boats-procurement-tender-public-services-national-defence-cancelled-1.4220375

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$6.4 million / 350 new inflatables = $18,285 each.

Some pricing
http://www.defender.com/categoryBoatsMotors.jsp?path=-1%7C215570%7C1794282&id=1794295The highest tier boat under mil spec is $28k.

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blacksmithden
07-28-2017, 07:06 AM
It almost sounds like they threw out the tender (at least one time) and when the companies asked some technical questions, the bureaucrats the gov had assigned couldnt answer. Probably a complete lack of knowledge about what they were trying to buy. Somebody probably asked them if the boats needed to float and they didnt know.

Relic49
07-28-2017, 07:09 AM
It almost sounds like they threw out the tender (at least one time) and when the companies asked some technical questions, the bureaucrats the gov had assigned couldnt answer. Probably a complete lack of knowledge about what they were trying to buy. Somebody probably asked them if the boats needed to float and they didnt know.

Isn't this how our present government works, or am I missing something?

LB303
07-28-2017, 07:29 AM
it's how government works at all times. Emerson's foolish consistency rule applies

firemachine69
07-30-2017, 05:50 AM
Isn't this how our present government works, or am I missing something?



YES.

It's a toxic disease.

glockfan
07-30-2017, 08:29 AM
It was culturally insensitive. Should be made of birch bark and have a compass pointing to Mecca, with a gender-neutral head.

Canada is a disgrace.

rotflmao

RangeBob
07-30-2017, 12:49 PM
It almost sounds like they threw out the tender (at least one time) and when the companies asked some technical questions, the bureaucrats the gov had assigned couldnt answer. Probably a complete lack of knowledge about what they were trying to buy. Somebody probably asked them if the boats needed to float and they didnt know.

I've seen variations on that in my business.

Usually it's a good thing. The customer/buyer learns something they didn't know was available, or important, due to the experience of other governments.

Sometimes the bureaucrats decide they're not interested in learning what they need to know, and so they farm the job out to a consulting company, who in turn writes the tender requests and rates the tender responses for them. Ultimately of course the bureaucrats have final approval as it should be. With total responsibility without significant penalties for failure. Sometimes they get promoted for the successful contract signing, which further isolates them from any failure when the product is fielded. “No Battle Plan Survives Contact With the Enemy” becomes "No product survives what users want to do with it and try to do with it, for which it was never tested for." Remember that guy who wrapped his hand around a good 50BMG cartridge and tried to use the primer to hammer in a nail -- I'll bet the people who designed the 50BMG would never think to try that that way.

The requirement to get multiple bids has its problems, but ultimately it does more good than harm, and not just for price. Competition encourages productivity and evolution, and the process itself educates the customer on how to refine their business with out-of-the-box options.

But sometimes it's obvious they're only going through the motions and they've selected a vendor before the tender was put out. For example they ask for a required feature that only one vendor has by that name. I've replied that we have the same feature with a different name, or that that 'feature' is only available from Competitor Brand X due to a flaw in their software design & describe how my software doesn't have the problem the 'feature' is required to fix -- and then when I get the scoring back from the customer I see I've been rated as 'non compliant' to that required feature. And of course Competitor Brand X wins the contract they were predestined to win. Sometimes, three years later, we win that customer when the customer discovers that having to use that 'feature' every day is just too annoying to keep and they throw Competitor Brand X out the door. Sometimes there's lawsuits.

And sometimes the bureaucrats are acting in good faith and something happens after the tender goes out but just before the contracts are about to be signed. I had the head of a corporation step in at the last minute and announce that the half million dollar contract we were about to sign was far too expensive and that he was giving the job to his nephew for ten grand. A year later, when it became obvious to all that the nephew wasn't up to a 20 million dollar ten-year 50-person research effort, to be completed in 1-year on a $10,000 budget and one teenager's effort while he was in high-school as well, the bureaucrats put out the previous tender again without change and we won the contract.

Lots of fun.