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Billythreefeathers
08-16-2017, 04:20 PM
Anonymous vows to take down white supremacist sites, Confederate symbols

http://globalnews.ca/news/3674531/anonymous-white-supremacist-sites-denouncement-day/?utm_source=ShawConnect&utm_medium=MostPopular&utm_campaign=2014

The hacker collective Anonymous has vowed to attack white supremacist and alt-right websites in the wake of the racist violence in Charlottesville, Va. and urged followers to “tear down symbols of hate” in an operation dubbed “Denouncement Day.”

On Wednesday, the so-called “hacktivist” group urged its followers to take part in operation Denouncement Day, and dismantle remaining Confederate symbols still standing in the U.S. on August 18.


“It is time to denounce the Confederacy. To denounce racism, bigotry, and hate. It is time to take down these monuments of hate ourselves,” the group said in a statement.

The group posted the names and locations of a handful of Confederate monuments, including the Robert E. Lee sculpture in Charlottesville.

Anonymous’ call to action comes the same day mourners gathered in Charlottesville for a memorial to honour Heather Heyer, the woman who was killed when a car rammed into a crowd of people protesting a white nationalist rally that descended into violence last weekend.

Last week, a large group of white supremacists and members of the so-called alt-right marched through the University of Virginia campus, with Tiki torches in hand, to the school’s statue of founding father Thomas Jefferson, where they were met by a much smaller group of student counter-protesters, who were eventually surrounded.

Punches were thrown and several people had to be treated for minor injuries, with police eventually breaking up the skirmish and arresting at least one person. The march was a lead-up to the planned “Unite the Right” rally, a protest against the impending removal of a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee from Emancipation Park, the latest in a growing and controversial movement to take down Confederate statues and monuments in various U.S. cities.

“Anonymous finds it a sad state of affairs when in the year 2017, we still have Nazi Party flags flying high, and terrorists still killing for the Nazi cause. In a country where we went to war and regrettably dropped two atomic bombs on Japan to attempt to end this ideology, it is clear now that even a nuclear option does not work,” the group said.

The hackers warned white nationalists Richard Spencer, Jason Kessler and former KKK leader David Duke that “the blood of Heather is on your hands.

“And you will pay for it in blood,” the group said.

Anonymous said it will continue to take down white supremacist websites and vowed to track down owner and editor of neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer, Andrew Anglin.

Anglin had written a post following Saturday’s events in Charlottesville and referred to Heyer as “fat” and “childless” and said “most people are glad she is dead, as she is the definition of uselessness.”

The Daily Stormer said Anonymous hackers had taken over the site in response to the article about Charlottesville victim.

Anonymous said in a statement Anglin was using the group’s name to discredit them.



“It is true that Anon Operatives were running attacks against it, but we were in no way involved with its defacement. This was a cowardly attempt by Anglin to discredit us and position himself as some sort of martyr for the supremacist cause,” the groups said. “He failed miserably. With Go Daddy and Google terminating any partnership with him, his website is now in jeopardy and likely to be permanently shut down. And in using our name, he has made us angry.

“We’ve contacted Anonymous members currently residing in Lagos, Nigeria. If you value your life, Mr. Anglin, you will need to flee the country. We will find you. We promise,” Anonymous said.

Billythreefeathers
08-16-2017, 04:20 PM
And just who made you the guardian of free speech

FallisCowboy
08-16-2017, 04:24 PM
And just who made you the guardian of free speech?

"My mommy and she lets me live in her basement too!"

Doug_M
08-16-2017, 04:30 PM
Didn't anonymous say they were going to shut down ISIS' online presence and fail to do so?

soulchaser
08-16-2017, 04:33 PM
Yeah, umm....

Still waiting for them to "hunt down" ISIS after the Paris attack in 2015.

Still waiting for them to seek revenge and "launch total war on ISIS and wipe them off the internet" after the Brussels airport attack in 2016.

All they managed to do was temporarily take over a couple twitter accounts and post gay sex photos like 14 year olds.

All talk, no action.

soulchaser
08-16-2017, 04:41 PM
“Anonymous finds it a sad state of affairs when in the year 2017, we still have Nazi Party flags flying high, and terrorists still killing for the Nazi cause. In a country where we went to war and regrettably dropped two atomic bombs on Japan to attempt to end this ideology, it is clear now that even a nuclear option does not work,”


Wait......

Anonymous thinks the A-bombs were dropped on Japan to stop the Nazis?

The war in Europe ended with the Germans formal surrender May 7/8 1945.

The A-bombs were dropped on Japan August 6 and 9 1945.

Drache
08-16-2017, 04:55 PM
Really wish people would learn what the "confederate flag" really is about....

Curly1
08-16-2017, 05:29 PM
Didn't ISIS destroy historical statues too.

soulchaser
08-16-2017, 08:05 PM
Didn't ISIS destroy historical statues too.

There are some who believe they made copies of the statues and other historical artifacts and recorded those copies being destroyed while they sold the originals to help fund their terror campaign

Plinker 777
08-16-2017, 08:34 PM
Really wish people would learn what the "confederate flag" really is about....

Do enlighten. :popcorn:

Mark-II
08-16-2017, 09:52 PM
No problem with the symbols, trappings and historical baggage of communism?


Basement dwellers indeed

Plinker 777
08-16-2017, 09:53 PM
Do enlighten. :popcorn:

...ok, I'll help. https://www.yahoo.com/news/history-of-the-confederate-flags-190828285.html

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/PRy8ZDbQb0lBwu1LsT4L0w--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9MTAyNDtoPTY3MA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/afp.com/67cae9f9fbf909caba80ce2edc456225d4c323f0.jpg

Rory McCanuck
08-16-2017, 10:07 PM
Do enlighten. :popcorn:


...ok, I'll help. https://www.yahoo.com/news/history-of-the-confederate-flags-190828285.html

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/PRy8ZDbQb0lBwu1LsT4L0w--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9MTAyNDtoPTY3MA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/afp.com/67cae9f9fbf909caba80ce2edc456225d4c323f0.jpg
Yeah, none of us are going to waste the effort spoon feeding you stuff you can google yourself and won't change your mind one iota.

Canada_Phil
08-17-2017, 06:09 AM
Didn't anonymous say they were going to shut down ISIS' online presence and fail to do so?

Yeah, and many other groups as well.

Just give it 2 to 5 days... following which they will lose all interest and retreat back to their Mommie's basement to get back to playing Xbox and Playstation.

killer kane
08-17-2017, 12:07 PM
Really wish people would learn what the "confederate flag" really is about....

Lets see...A whole hell of a lot more than just slavery, I believe 28% of Blacks down south owned slaves for example, as well as Blacks paid for their services back then. State before union, standing up to an oppressive set of govt interventions designed to impoverish the south and put the north fully in control of their industries, from what I've read.

Plinker 777
08-17-2017, 03:26 PM
Lets see...A whole hell of a lot more than just slavery, I believe 28% of Blacks down south owned slaves for example, as well as Blacks paid for their services back then. State before union, standing up to an oppressive set of govt interventions designed to impoverish the south and put the north fully in control of their industries, from what I've read.

...and what; pray tell do you read? :popcorn:

Plinker 777
08-17-2017, 03:27 PM
Yeah, none of us are going to waste the effort spoon feeding you stuff you can google yourself and won't change your mind one iota.

Someone shake your tree?

killer kane
08-17-2017, 05:24 PM
...and what; pray tell do you read? :popcorn:

Well,seeing as Mein Kampf isn't on my regular to read list ( Which is what I'm thinking you were actually implying by your post. ). How about this, if you can find any number of books on the American civil war, as well as a number of on line articles etc. you can by discarding some of the more "One side vs the other" get a general idea of what was going on, as well as the background regarding that time in history. You might do well to start now though, as I'm sure things will start to be scrubbed in the near future by the same people adored by the hard left, like those supporting antifa and blm for example.

Doug_M
08-17-2017, 05:52 PM
Well,seeing as Mein Kampf isn't on my regular to read list ( Which is what I'm thinking you were actually implying by your post. ). How about this, if you can find any number of books on the American civil war, as well as a number of on line articles etc. you can by discarding some of the more "One side vs the other" get a general idea of what was going on, as well as the background regarding that time in history. You might do well to start now though, as I'm sure things will start to be scrubbed in the near future by the same people adored by the hard left, like those supporting antifa and blm for example.

You're a racist. Everyone knows the civil war was about slavery and nothing else. Every single person in the South at that time were evil. The North were the good guys. The war to end slavery had nothing to do at all with economics (cheap labour for example) or States Rights or any of that. It was a war waged by the good Democrats of the North to defeat the evil racist slave owner Republicans of the South. A war who's sole purpose was to free the slaves. Did I mention you're a racist?

killer kane
08-17-2017, 05:59 PM
You're a racist. Everyone knows the civil war was about slavery and nothing else. Every single person in the South at that time were evil. The North were the good guys. The war to end slavery had nothing to do at all with economics (cheap labour for example) or States Rights or any of that. It was a war waged by the good Democrats of the North to defeat the evil racist slave owner Republicans of the South. A war who's sole purpose was to free the slaves. Did I mention you're a racist?

Hahahaha. Good thing I had just finished my Iced Tea, or I'd be cleaning my computer screen.;D

But more importantly there is something terribly wrong with our little part of the world right now and I'm afraid we're going to be in for some "interesting Times." in the near future, I'm glad we have sites like this where we can actually have a certain amount of back and forth, along with some good humor on a serious subject, usually misinterpreted ( As Doug pointed out in his previous post. ) without someone getting snuck up on and clubbed in the head with a bike lock, as our enemies in antifa would be regularly doing.

Plinker 777
08-17-2017, 07:27 PM
Well,seeing as Mein Kampf isn't on my regular to read list ( Which is what I'm thinking you were actually implying by your post. ). How about this, if you can find any number of books on the American civil war, as well as a number of on line articles etc. you can by discarding some of the more "One side vs the other" get a general idea of what was going on, as well as the background regarding that time in history. You might do well to start now though, as I'm sure things will start to be scrubbed in the near future by the same people adored by the hard left, like those supporting antifa and blm for example.

Thanks for that. So not a one then.

Plinker 777
08-17-2017, 07:30 PM
Hahahaha. Good thing I had just finished my Iced Tea, or I'd be cleaning my computer screen.;D

But more importantly there is something terribly wrong with our little part of the world right now and I'm afraid we're going to be in for some "interesting Times." in the near future, I'm glad we have sites like this where we can actually have a certain amount of back and forth, along with some good humor on a serious subject, usually misinterpreted ( As Doug pointed out in his previous post. ) without someone getting snuck up on and clubbed in the head with a bike lock, as our enemies in antifa would be regularly doing.

So, just so I'm understanding you...anti-fascists are your enemy? I'll assume you're in the vast minority here?

Swampdonkey
08-17-2017, 07:34 PM
So, just so I'm understanding you...anti-fascists are your enemy? I'll assume you're in the vast minority here?

I'm amenable to a religion of peace, just not The Religion of Peace. Same level of communicative capacity is required to understand that one.

Doug_M
08-17-2017, 07:56 PM
So, just so I'm understanding you...anti-fascists are your enemy? I'll assume you're in the vast minority here?

Antifa are "anti-fascists" in name only. And I don't believe the vast majority support them.

BruceW
08-17-2017, 08:14 PM
Antifa are "anti-fascists" in name only. And I don't believe the vast majority support them.

It actually appears that they are the true fascists and the so called, "fascists" are more towards libertarian from what little I've read.

Also, anonymous seems to pop up from time to time to remind people they exist without actually accomplishing anything. Been lot's they could have done to improve things, like educating left voters about the goals, platform and bylaws of the party they're voting for, but unless I've missed their accomplishments, ............?

TJSpeller
08-17-2017, 08:15 PM
So, just so I'm understanding you...anti-fascists are your enemy? I'll assume you're in the vast minority here?

Antifa are not really anti fascists.
They are a loose coalition of anarchists (Black Block), hard core communists (world workers party), the Occupy Wallstreet crowd, and a bunch of other losers who can't get jobs, have no life, have no future, and have nothing to lose by destroying the current system and creating a world of mob rule and violence, since they already live in that world.

The fascists in our society are those that use violence to shut down discussion, to prevent other opinions from being discussed, and who openly describe their desire to rewrite history, destroy tradition, and redistribute society through thuggery and bullying.

That's Antifa. If you don't know that then you haven't been paying attention, or spending too much reading the mainstream fakepapers.

Waterloomike
08-17-2017, 08:28 PM
In a May 1, 1927 speech, Hitler said:

We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic
economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.

And as Hitler readied his forces for Operation Barbarossa on June 16, 1941, Josef Goebbels wrote that he looked forward to the new order the Nazis would impose on a conquered Russia. There would be no come-back, he wrote, for capitalists nor priests nor Tsars. Rather, in the place of debased, Jewish Bolshevism, the Wehrmacht would deliver “der echte Sozialismus”: real socialism.

Hitler preached class warfare, agitating the working class to resist “exploitation” by capitalists — particularly Jewish capitalists, of course. His program called for the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, and other major industries. He instituted and vigorously enforced a strict gun control regimen. He encouraged pornography, illegitimacy, and abortion, and denounced Christians as right-wing fanatics.

Each of those policies is decidedly left wing.

FallisCowboy
08-17-2017, 09:30 PM
But, as Joe Goebbels was so good at, our new order left tries to control the conversation by controlling the names (labels). Anyone who holds a different opinion is shouted down by cries of fascist, racist, or any number of other "ists". The only ones they are fooling, however, are themselves. When they deny anyone a dissenting opinion they just continue to discredit themselves before every reasoning person that holds another view. Eventually they will simply become background noise, only important in their own minds. IMHO, this is the root cause of their violence, the intelligent people have now tuned them out, now they need to find something else to get the attention they so desperately crave. Soon they will cross a line with their violence and the silent majority will simply rise up and muzzle them, much like the rabid animals they have become. They are in reality a loud, very unstable, minority; when they become irritating enough they will easily be swatted like a bug.

killer kane
08-17-2017, 09:50 PM
So, just so I'm understanding you...anti-fascists are your enemy? I'll assume you're in the vast minority here?

Grow up!

Plinker 777
08-17-2017, 09:57 PM
In a May 1, 1927 speech, Hitler said:

We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic
economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.

And as Hitler readied his forces for Operation Barbarossa on June 16, 1941, Josef Goebbels wrote that he looked forward to the new order the Nazis would impose on a conquered Russia. There would be no come-back, he wrote, for capitalists nor priests nor Tsars. Rather, in the place of debased, Jewish Bolshevism, the Wehrmacht would deliver “der echte Sozialismus”: real socialism.

Hitler preached class warfare, agitating the working class to resist “exploitation” by capitalists — particularly Jewish capitalists, of course. His program called for the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, and other major industries. He instituted and vigorously enforced a strict gun control regimen. He encouraged pornography, illegitimacy, and abortion, and denounced Christians as right-wing fanatics.

Each of those policies is decidedly left wing.

Thanks for that.
https://68.media.tumblr.com/94f8f90ed696a3d61b8a3f0d6935d19f/tumblr_o5mpy0E90N1v8hbv9o1_1280.jpg

Swampdonkey
08-17-2017, 10:05 PM
Grow up!

How many signatures do we need to ban the troll?

This is not reasonable discourse.

Plinker 777
08-17-2017, 10:20 PM
But, as Joe Goebbels was so good at, our new order left tries to control the conversation by controlling the names (labels). Anyone who holds a different opinion is shouted down by cries of fascist, racist, or any number of other "ists". The only ones they are fooling, however, are themselves. When they deny anyone a dissenting opinion they just continue to discredit themselves before every reasoning person that holds another view. Eventually they will simply become background noise, only important in their own minds. IMHO, this is the root cause of their violence, the intelligent people have now tuned them out, now they need to find something else to get the attention they so desperately crave. Soon they will cross a line with their violence and the silent majority will simply rise up and muzzle them, much like the rabid animals they have become. They are in reality a loud, very unstable, minority; when they become irritating enough they will easily be swatted like a bug.

https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/598f3d371500007d208b6472.jpeg?ops=scalefit_970_nou pscale

If it walks like a fascist, it's a fascist.
If it shouts its superiority like a fascist, its a fascist racist.
If while walking and shouting like a fascist, it communicates fear, anger, and hatred of any new comers...its a xenophobic, racist, fascist.
If it collects beneath banners of intolerance and hatred, it ought to be viewed as an illegal gathering, since it isn't...those who disagree must also gather to counteract hatred and fear.
https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/mt/2017/08/RTS1BJNT/lead_960.jpg?1502658819
http://thumbs.carbonated.tv/s-211109_banner.jpg?ver=4
http://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/neo-nazis-confederate-flag-800x430.jpg

So lets be clear; these are fascists. These are stupid people. I support an individuals right to be stupid. I support an individuals right to speak publicly, so that everyone can be comforted in the fact that the individual is in fact...stupid. However, as soon as the idiot picks up a piece of wood and a plastic shield and invites his buddies (who are just as intellectually lacking) into the city square to cause some sh1t; sh1t will be found...thankfully.
Their actions are indefensible, a woman was killed over this nonsense. To defend them in the slightest once knowing how fundamentally wrong they are in their thinking, puts you within their ranks!?
http://s.newsweek.com/sites/www.newsweek.com/files/styles/embed-lg/public/2017/08/13/rts1bjpu.jpg

I really can't believe we actually appear to be arguing about this guys!?
http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.806733!/image/2790497682.jpg_gen/derivatives/headline_609x343/2790497682.jpg

Plinker 777
08-17-2017, 10:22 PM
Grow up!

Answer the question. Are anti-fascists your enemy? These are your words, I'm giving you (consider it a gift) the opportunity to clarify what you wrote. Or recant? Your call?

Plinker 777
08-17-2017, 10:23 PM
How many signatures do we need to ban the troll?

This is not reasonable discourse.

...no need to ban KK, we're just getting to understand one another.

RangeBob
08-17-2017, 10:27 PM
Remember the good ol days when the first thing to complain about in an article about ' Anonymous ' was that ' Anonymous ' was bad.

Plinker 777
08-17-2017, 10:33 PM
Remember the good ol days when the first thing to complain about in an article about ' Anonymous ' was that ' Anonymous ' was bad.

;D I do.

M1917 Enfield
08-17-2017, 11:14 PM
I think many are confused as what is Fascism.

Fascism

Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce, that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I.

Fascists believe that democracy is obsolete, and they regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties. Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictator and a martial government composed of the members of the governing fascist party—to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society.

The Italian term fascismo is derived from fascio meaning a bundle of rods, ultimately from the Latin word fasces. This was the name given to political organizations in Italy known as fasci, groups similar to guilds or syndicates. According to Mussolini's own account, the Fascist Revolutionary Party (Partito Fascista Rivoluzionario or PFR) was founded in Italy in 1915. In 1919, Mussolini founded the Fasci Italiani di Combattimento in Milan, which became the Partito Nazionale Fascista (National Fascist Party) two years later.

Since the end of World War II in 1945, few parties have openly described themselves as fascist, and the term is instead now usually used pejoratively by political opponents.

Fascism was influenced by both left and right, conservative and anti-conservative, national and supranational, rational and anti-rational. A number of historians regard fascism as either a revolutionary centrist doctrine, as a doctrine that mixes philosophies of the left and the right, or as both of those things. Fascism was founded during World War I by Italian national syndicalists who drew upon left-wing and right-wing political views.

In 1919 Benito Mussolini described fascism as a movement that would strike "against the backwardness of the right and the destructiveness of the left".

One common definition of the term focuses on three concepts: the fascist negations (anti-liberalism, anti-communism and anti-conservatism); nationalist authoritarian goals of creating a regulated economic structure to transform social relations within a modern, self-determined culture.

Fascism is "a genuinely revolutionary, trans-class form of anti-liberal, and in the last analysis, anti-conservative nationalism" built on a complex range of theoretical and cultural influences. Fascists were committed to advancing national syndicalism as a replacement for parliamentary liberalism in order to modernize the economy and advance the interests of workers and common people.

After King Victor Emmanuel III forced Mussolini to resign as head of government and placed him under arrest in 1943, Mussolini was rescued by German forces.

While continuing to rely on Germany for support,Mussolini and the remaining loyal Fascists founded the Italian Socialist Republic with Mussolini as head of state. Mussolini sought to re-radicalize Italian Fascism, declaring that the Fascist state had been overthrown because Italian Fascism had been subverted by Italian conservatives and the bourgeoisie.

Then the new Fascist government proposed the creation of workers' councils and profit-sharing in industry, although the German authorities, who effectively controlled northern Italy at this point, ignored these measures and did not seek to enforce them.

George Orwell wrote in 1944 that "the word 'Fascism' is almost entirely meaningless ... almost any English person would accept 'bully' as a synonym for 'Fascist'".

Professor Richard Griffiths of the University of Wales wrote in 2005 that "fascism" is the "most misused, and over-used word, of our times".

Nazism

National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsɪzəm, ˈnæ-/), is the ideology and set of practices associated with the 20th-century German Nazi Party.

The full name of Adolf Hitler's party was Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (acronym: NSDAP; English: National-Socialist German Workers' Party). The shorthand Nazi was formed from the first two syllables of the German pronunciation of the word "national"

The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both international socialism and free market capitalism. Nazism rejected the Marxist concept of class conflict, opposed cosmopolitan internationalism, and sought to convince all parts of the new German society to subordinate their personal interests to the "common good" and accept political interests as the main priority of economic organization.

The Nazi Party's precursor, the Pan-German nationalist and antisemitic German Workers' Party, was founded on 5 January 1919. By the early 1920s, Adolf Hitler assumed control of the organization and renamed it the National Socialist German Workers' Party to broaden its appeal.

The National Socialist Program, adopted in 1920, called for a united Greater Germany that would deny citizenship to Jews or those of Jewish descent, while also supporting land reform and the nationalization of some industries.

Adolf Hitler and other proponents denied the view that Nazism was either left-wing or right-wing, instead they officially portrayed Nazism as a syncretic movement. In Mein Kampf Hitler directly attacked both left-wing and right-wing politics in Germany.

When asked whether he supported the "bourgeois right-wing", Hitler claimed that Nazism was not exclusively for any class, and he also indicated that it favoured neither the left nor the right, but preserved "pure" elements from both "camps".

Although he opposed communist ideology, Hitler publicly praised the Soviet Union's leader Joseph Stalin and Stalinism on numerous occasions.

Rory McCanuck
08-17-2017, 11:21 PM
No, NO! Fascism is anything I don't like and can't stop by any method other than inarticulate screeching.
Come on, get with the times.

RangeBob
08-17-2017, 11:24 PM
June 23, 2017
USA

Antifa, short for ‘Anti-Fascist,’ is a term used by and for far-left protesters across the globe. If you’ve heard of the Berkeley riots against Milo Yiannopoulos, or the threats made against Ann Coulter, you are familiar with at least some of their work. They support using violence and intimidation against politicians and civilian populations perceived as fascist in order to force acceptance of their demands. While fascism has historically been understood as an authoritarian philosophy that calls for government control over industry and the suppression of dissent, to Antifa it means essentially any right-of-center belief. To this end they have targeted protesters, assaulted conservative journalists, sent death threats to a Latino family after misidentifying them as neo-Nazis, attacked 80-year-old grandmothers and high school students with bats, and even stabbed horses.

Antifa is not one movement with a centralized leadership, but instead a loose association of groups and individuals with the same general philosophy and goals. Antifa is broken into cells, such as “Antifa Midwest” or “Berkeley Antifa” which are the nucleus of organizing and planning protests and events. Antifa groups will frequently promote or retweet each other’s content and events, but generally do not coordinate with one another except for major events, such as Trump’s inauguration or the May Day protests. When they riot, they use black bloc strategies, alternatively covering their heads with hoodies and faces with bandannas or shirts for anonymity while they smash windows and assault onlookers, and slipping into civilian clothing to blend in among the crowd of peaceful protesters and evade capture by the police. While their weapons have thus far been Molotov cocktails, bricks, bats, and crude blades, they have also sold concealed knives and after the Berkeley riots several members suggested using guns in a sign of things to come.

Among violent German “Antifascist” protesters, Heat Street reports that 92% live with their parents, 84% are male, 72% are aged 18-29, 90% are single, and 34% are unemployed. In America they also appear to be largely white college students, though no comprehensive demographic survey of American Antifa has been conducted yet.

While Antifa has existed in some form for decades as an underground association, the election of Donald Trump seems to have brought them front and center and their ideas have become more and more accepted into the political mainstream. The Daily Californian Editorial Board described the Antifa riots in Berkeley, which injured 6 and caused over $100,000 in property damage, as “defending communities.” The Pacific Standard has suggested that in the age of Trump, Antifa are “the most reasonable people in America.” One has to wonder what these “reasonable people” must think of the would-be assassin who left House Majority Whip Steve Scalise in critical condition, or of the climate of hate that produced him. Even as media sources like Vox insist that there is “no evidence” that the far left shooter who was active on anti-Trump social media, had worked for Bernie Sanders’ campaign, and had participated in marches against Donald Trump, was incited to violence by the left’s rhetoric, militant “anti-fascists” are celebrating the shooting. It should be no surprise that this happened; after all the underlying message that violence against fascists is justified and that Republicans are fascist is a core part of the wider Antifa message. Many echoed this sentiment on Twitter, expressing support for the shooter and regret that more Republicans were not hit, suggesting that Republicans deserve to be murdered either for supporting gun rights or trying to repeal Obamacare.

Antifa might be aggressive, but it has not been successful. While it has managed to shut down a couple of speakers and beat a few people up, it has not been able to scare people away from their beliefs. Conservatives are standing by their principles. Alabama representative Mo Brooks, who was on the scene of the shooting and who helped Scalise until medical attention could be provided, said in an interview with CNN in response to a question about gun control that “the Second Amendment right to bear arms is to ensure that we always have a republic. And as with any constitutional provision in the Bill of Rights, there are adverse aspects to each of those rights that we enjoy as people… but we’re not going to get rid of freedom of speech because some people say some really ugly things that hurt other people’s feelings. We’re not going to get rid of Fourth Amendment search and seizure rights because it allows some criminals to go free who should be behind bars.” Americans, it would seem, are not about to give in to terror. Only time will tell if Antifa will realize this.

The vast majority of anti-Trump protesters are not Antifa radicals bent on silencing dissent and using terror. Peaceful protest is protected under the First Amendment, and everybody in America has the right to signal their disagreement with the government. The actions of extremists should not be used to justify an infringement on those rights. But the shooting of Scalise shows that those calling for violence cannot be brushed off simply as fringe radicals, and the ideas that these people hold have the potential to be legitimately dangerous. The “resistance” to Trump should seriously consider whether it wants angry, hooded, extremists and champagne socialists to be the face of its movement.

If the mainstream left truly supports peaceful dialogue, it must stop providing shelter to Antifa activists. When black bloc insurgents try to co-opt non-violent demonstrations, protesters should block them out of the crowd, seize them, or point them out to the police. As long as the moderate left tolerates and praises these insurgents, and affords them cover and immunity for their actions, they will be complicit in the violence that Antifa perpetuates.

As of today, a petition calling on president to declare Antifa a domestic terror organization has received over 86,000 signatures.

hxxps://spectator.org/radical-anti-fascists-are-pretty-darn-fascist/

Rory McCanuck
08-18-2017, 12:02 AM
From Facebook, in regard to Antifa:

Feel free to c&P as I did. IMPORTANT MESSAGE FROM A MARINE.... HATERS IN AMERICA HAD BETTER LISTEN UP FOR THEIR OWN GOOD!
From a Marine:
"If you are paid $25.00 an hour to show up to a rally to "counter" the other party using physical force and violence, you are not a "counter protestor."
You are a mercenary.
There is no need for further debate on this. You were paid to attack someone you don't know for reasons that you couldn't care enough about to go there for free. You did your "job" and collected your check and your reimbursement of expenses.
You're a mercenary.
Not a Patriot. Not a Social Justice Warrior. Not a Defender of Freedom or Liberty. Not an upholder of Truth or Justice. None of those things you claim to be.
You are a mercenary.
And mercenaries are not lawful combatants and deserve whatever comes their way at the hands of the people they are attacking.
You have no 1st Amendment rights when you're a mercenary.
Doesn't matter what side you're on. Doesn't matter what cause you're showing up to disrupt.
If you can't express yourself peacefully through diplomatic means, then you better be prepared to meet your maker at the hands of someone who is only barely keeping their own violent tendencies at bay through a massive exercise of self-control.
I know it sounds romantic to attend these rallies and get shit started with the other side. And when you're young and passionate, it's really easy to get whipped up into a frenzy of raw emotions. There is a reason why young people are preferred when it comes to warfare. They are easy to manipulate and control and set off.
But I'm telling you all this right now. You've got no idea what road you are starting down. Romance and idealism wears off really fast when you're laying in a pool of your own blood trying to stuff your intestines back into your torn abdomen.
I've been lucky enough to go forty-two years without having to put the skills I learned in the Marines to use. I continue to train and keep those skills up to date because I see the madness that is happening all across this country. I don't train to attack others like you do. I train to defend others FROM you. I'm not alone either.
There are thousands of men and women in this country who have seen war and death and don't want anymore to do with it. They want to live in peace. They want to forget the things they've had to do in the service of their country. They want to raise their kids and have family BBQs and build tree houses and soap box derby cars and have tea parties.
They don't want this shit that you're selling.
You have the extremist left and the extremist right that are doing their best to get something started. To force us into a Civil War. Even in the 1860's, the violence between the North and South was nowhere near what we see today. Nowhere. Even. Close.
And yet we still had a war of ideology that consumed hundreds of thousands of lives.
All you young and naive kids on both sides of this equation who think that having a Civil War will advance your agenda or restore your vision of what you think is America, just remember this...
Those of us older generations aren't having this shit. And if you jump off, you better be prepared to deal with US. We don't care what color you're wearing or what sign you're holding if you come after us, our friends, our family, our co-workers, our neighbors, etc., WE will kill you.
So remember that when you're thinking that it's just Left vs Right, or Liberal vs Conservative, or Commie vs. Fascist. We are the variable you're not considering.
That "Silent Majority" that you pretend does not exist is getting really sick and tired of your bullshit.

Waterloomike
08-18-2017, 02:13 AM
Pinker7, I thought you were ignoring me. But now you're sending me pictures of you and your proctologist.

You're welcome. Now you know something.

labradort
08-18-2017, 06:34 AM
The weird thing is, all of this existed two weeks ago, and it didn't matter then.

Waterloomike
08-18-2017, 07:05 AM
The weird thing is, all of this existed two weeks ago, and it didn't matter then.

It doesn't matter now.

FallisCowboy
08-18-2017, 09:15 AM
From Facebook, in regard to Antifa:

Feel free to c&P as I did. IMPORTANT MESSAGE FROM A MARINE.... HATERS IN AMERICA HAD BETTER LISTEN UP FOR THEIR OWN GOOD!
From a Marine:
"If you are paid $25.00 an hour to show up to a rally to "counter" the other party using physical force and violence, you are not a "counter protestor."
You are a mercenary.
There is no need for further debate on this. You were paid to attack someone you don't know for reasons that you couldn't care enough about to go there for free. You did your "job" and collected your check and your reimbursement of expenses.
You're a mercenary.
Not a Patriot. Not a Social Justice Warrior. Not a Defender of Freedom or Liberty. Not an upholder of Truth or Justice. None of those things you claim to be.
You are a mercenary.
And mercenaries are not lawful combatants and deserve whatever comes their way at the hands of the people they are attacking.
You have no 1st Amendment rights when you're a mercenary.
Doesn't matter what side you're on. Doesn't matter what cause you're showing up to disrupt.
If you can't express yourself peacefully through diplomatic means, then you better be prepared to meet your maker at the hands of someone who is only barely keeping their own violent tendencies at bay through a massive exercise of self-control.
I know it sounds romantic to attend these rallies and get shit started with the other side. And when you're young and passionate, it's really easy to get whipped up into a frenzy of raw emotions. There is a reason why young people are preferred when it comes to warfare. They are easy to manipulate and control and set off.
But I'm telling you all this right now. You've got no idea what road you are starting down. Romance and idealism wears off really fast when you're laying in a pool of your own blood trying to stuff your intestines back into your torn abdomen.
I've been lucky enough to go forty-two years without having to put the skills I learned in the Marines to use. I continue to train and keep those skills up to date because I see the madness that is happening all across this country. I don't train to attack others like you do. I train to defend others FROM you. I'm not alone either.
There are thousands of men and women in this country who have seen war and death and don't want anymore to do with it. They want to live in peace. They want to forget the things they've had to do in the service of their country. They want to raise their kids and have family BBQs and build tree houses and soap box derby cars and have tea parties.
They don't want this shit that you're selling.
You have the extremist left and the extremist right that are doing their best to get something started. To force us into a Civil War. Even in the 1860's, the violence between the North and South was nowhere near what we see today. Nowhere. Even. Close.
And yet we still had a war of ideology that consumed hundreds of thousands of lives.
All you young and naive kids on both sides of this equation who think that having a Civil War will advance your agenda or restore your vision of what you think is America, just remember this...
Those of us older generations aren't having this shit. And if you jump off, you better be prepared to deal with US. We don't care what color you're wearing or what sign you're holding if you come after us, our friends, our family, our co-workers, our neighbors, etc., WE will kill you.
So remember that when you're thinking that it's just Left vs Right, or Liberal vs Conservative, or Commie vs. Fascist. We are the variable you're not considering.
That "Silent Majority" that you pretend does not exist is getting really sick and tired of your bullshit.

Thanks for posting this Rory. IMHO, this pretty much sums it all up. As I have posted there is an invisible line in this, once crossed the "silent majority" will rise up and put and end to all this stupid crap. It will be as real as it ever gets; there will be no safe spaces, no timeouts, no time to even pick your washroom, and it will not be pretty. Cheers!

Doug_M
08-18-2017, 09:41 AM
If it walks like a fascist, it's a fascist.
If it shouts its superiority like a fascist, its a fascist racist.
If while walking and shouting like a fascist, it communicates fear, anger, and hatred of any new comers...its a xenophobic, racist, fascist.
If it collects beneath banners of intolerance and hatred, it ought to be viewed as an illegal gathering, since it isn't...those who disagree must also gather to counteract hatred and fear.

Well no they're not. They share racism and a superiority complex with actual facists of the past (i.e. Nazi's and Musolini's gang). But they don't share the ideals of facism itself. These people are, as Steve Bannon so simply put it, are losers. Losers who, while they should be accorded their 1st Ammendment rights, should simply be mocked and laughed at.


However, as soon as the idiot picks up a piece of wood and a plastic shield and invites his buddies (who are just as intellectually lacking) into the city square to cause some sh1t; sh1t will be found...thankfully.

I don't think anyone give a $hit if Antifa thugs and white nationalist thugs fight each other.


Their actions are indefensible, a woman was killed over this nonsense. To defend them in the slightest once knowing how fundamentally wrong they are in their thinking, puts you within their ranks!?

So by supporting the 1st Ammendment (and not the individuals spouting hate themselves) one is guitly because some loser committed a horific act of violence and murder? Hmm, that type of thinking sounds pretty fascist to me!

GotSauer
08-18-2017, 10:24 AM
http://i.imgur.com/LuFtJGd.jpg

These guys get it.

Both group of a$$wipes are part of the same roll yet they are arguing who has more chit stuck to them!
Both sides needs to be treated for what they are and be flushed without a second thought.

Growing up in a communist country and having relatives spend time in concentration camps I can honestly say, I have no sympathy, understanding or patience for any asshole claiming to belong to either group!

Plinker 777
08-18-2017, 03:20 PM
At the extreme risk of a permanent ban, I feel the need to set the record straight, not that I for one moment, believe the majority of you wish to open your eyes. However, here's the 'good old college try'...Soviet Communism is not socialism, nor is it Marxism what it is, is Bolshevism (translated means 'the majority') That means the 'majority' is to dictate the political direction. Between 1917- and mid-1920's the concept of social-democracy (Bolshevism) became corrupted and perverse. It became a political elite minority who controlled with an iron fist the second largest country in the world, with miserable consequences. What gathered to quell and embarrass the neo-Nazi's in Charlottesville were not Soviets. (who were ultimately philosophically speaking {in practice anyway} very close to fascism).

The white supremacists were waving swastika's, the ones that weren't waving them were marching behind them...dare I say, that makes them fascists/ Nazi's/ Neo-Nazi's/ White Nationalists (yes, they are all one and the same). And let me also be clear, there is zero tolerance for their B.S. in North America. They are often heard saying that minorities and immigrants aren't welcome here (Blood and Soil), I say (as those who met them that day in Charlottesville) their ideals aren't welcome here...go back to your own ancestral homeland and stir the rhetoric there (:popcorn:). Or, go back to school and actually learn a thing or two, about a thing or two. Your 'stupid' is showing and your lot is embarrassing the rest of us. Stop it.

https://youtu.be/Otm4RusESNU

Doug_M
08-18-2017, 04:18 PM
At the extreme risk of a permanent ban, I feel the need to set the record straight, not that I for one moment, believe the majority of you wish to open your eyes. However, here's the 'good old college try'...Soviet Communism is not socialism, nor is it Marxism what it is, is Bolshevism (translated means 'the majority') That means the 'majority' is to dictate the political direction. Between 1917- and mid-1920's the concept of social-democracy (Bolshevism) became corrupted and perverse. It became a political elite minority who controlled with an iron fist the second largest country in the world, with miserable consequences. What gathered to quell and embarrass the neo-Nazi's in Charlottesville were not Soviets. (who were ultimately philosophically speaking {in practice anyway} very close to fascism).

Sure. If only Marxism and/or socialism could be done right it would be great.
- USSR
- China
- Cuba
- Vietnam
- Laos
- Venezuela

Man, one more try and I'm sure we can get pure Marxism or Socialism to work without it being corrupted.


The white supremacists were waving swastika's, the ones that weren't waving them were marching behind them...dare I say, that makes them fascists/ Nazi's/ Neo-Nazi's/ White Nationalists (yes, they are all one and the same).

You can say it, but you'd be dead wrong. They're just racist losers posing with symbols. Their ideology is not fascism or even Nazi-esque. Yes they share the racism bit but racism isn't the exclusive domain of Nazis or fascists.

You just failed college


And let me also be clear, there is zero tolerance for their B.S. in North America. They are often heard saying that minorities and immigrants aren't welcome here (Blood and Soil), I say (as those who met them that day in Charlottesville) their ideals aren't welcome here...go back to your own ancestral homeland and stir the rhetoric there (:popcorn:). Or, go back to school and actually learn a thing or two, about a thing or two. Your 'stupid' is showing and your lot is embarrassing the rest of us. Stop it.

I'd certainly agree they're stupid. But the best way to stop them is to ignore them, marginalize them and/or humiliate them. Free speech can be vile, but if the vile isn't allowed then one would truly be living in a fascist state.

Plinker 777
08-18-2017, 04:52 PM
Sure. If only Marxism and/or socialism could be done right it would be great.
- USSR
- China
- Cuba
- Vietnam
- Laos
- Venezuela

Man, one more try and I'm sure we can get pure Marxism or Socialism to work without it being corrupted.



You can say it, but you'd be dead wrong. They're just racist losers posing with symbols. Their ideology is not fascism or even Nazi-esque. Yes they share the racism bit but racism isn't the exclusive domain of Nazis or fascists.

You just failed college



I'd certainly agree they're stupid. But the best way to stop them is to ignore them, marginalize them and/or humiliate them. Free speech can be vile, but if the vile isn't allowed then one would truly be living in a fascist state.

Ignoring it allows it to flourish.

Doug_M
08-18-2017, 04:59 PM
Ignoring it allows it to flourish.

It hasn't flourished. The numbers really are small. The media is complicit in giving them lots of coverage and building them up to be bigger than they are. They've been around forever, always will be. Best to keep them marginalized and mock them for the inbred dolts they are.

killer kane
08-18-2017, 05:07 PM
It hasn't flourished. The numbers really are small. The media is complicit in giving them lots of coverage and building them up to be bigger than they are. They've been around forever, always will be. Best to keep them marginalized and mock them for the inbred dolts they are.

And the msm need them to add their creative credibility to scum like antifa, blm etc.

Waterloomike
08-18-2017, 06:36 PM
Doug, you forgot that prize of North Korea, Nazi Germany, all of the Eastern Block countries.

Where ever, however it is tried, it fails ignominiously, being broke, diseased and starving.

Since it never fails to fail, I can only believe that it's proponents want this outcome.

killer kane
08-18-2017, 07:22 PM
I wonder what's going to happen once the silent majority finally has had enough of this. I have a bit of an idea and I don't think soros and co. are going to be happy with the outcome.

labradort
08-18-2017, 07:25 PM
At the extreme risk of a permanent ban, I feel the need to set the record straight, not that I for one moment, believe the majority of you wish to open your eyes. However, here's the 'good old college try'...Soviet Communism is not socialism, nor is it Marxism what it is, is Bolshevism {....}

When I met some Marxist-Leninists in University they also complained about people equating the idea with Russia, etc. I asked what place has really tried it out. Their answer was Albania. Things were perfect in Albania. This was about 1985.

I had not followed it, but Wikipedia tells me the communist government in Albania was dissolved in 1991 and it is now a democratic country with a developing and upper income economy. They transformed from a centralized economy to market based one.

Perhaps Marx, Engels and Lenin had not read the graffiti: "Absolute power corrupts absolutely"

Zinilin
08-18-2017, 07:36 PM
There are two types of people.

People that think they can be anonymous on the Internet.
People that understand how the Internet actually works.

Anonymous are children that are part of the first group.